Will I.B. retract if 2 billion don't die soon???
 

Over the weekend while in Arkansas/Mississippi... I stayed in the room of a young teen who kindly gave up his room to this old man ...

On his night stand was a Sept/Oct. 2007 issue of Irvin Baxter's Endtime Prophecy magazine that screamed "2 Billion People will Die in 12 Months?"

I know that this claim has been discussed here before ... and I was partially amused at his 4 page attempt to prove that 1/3 of the world would be obliterated ... and that it would have to happen in the last year of the Bush Presidency ... and that we are in the midst of WWIII .... and that could be engaging in the Euphrates River War by now ...

What I want to know ... is if this doesn't happen ... will he retract his claims to his readership come this fall?

When did the Church allow speculative prophetic punditry to become a big business?

I glance through the magazine and it's all about selling books and dvds ... Why so much interest in this anyway?

How is this any different from prosperity preaching?

Is it too much to keep our preachers accountable for these types of claims?

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I don't think Baxter was saying it would happen
in the NEXT 12 months but rather in the course of a
12 month period ( when it does happen)

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Of course this will be his out ... Mark ...

but anyone who reads that article ... sees how he cleverly weaves how today's headlines all seem to line up with a timeline he suggests to his readers .... with photos of our military, Real national IDs, and ties to the Bush White House

It's like reading the Enquirer, IMO.

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Who knows? If Israel or the USA attack Iran, it may very well be the start of something that kills a couple billion people. I don't think it will happen that way, but what do I know?

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Bro Baxter is a good man,Dan.

I don't think it's what he'll use for an out.
the first time I read it that's exactly how I
saw it for what it was - he didn't set a date or
a deadline

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Bro ... he uses montage to make his points ... including suggesting either directly or indirectly that today's headlines are tied to this happening very soon.

The article says we are in the midst of WWIII ... and suggests that if this does happen that he felt it would likely happen during Bush's last year.

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He "Felt" ...."likely happen"


Now, is that what you call as date setting or fact ????

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Brother Baxter may very well be a good man ... but I find that even many futurists are becoming uncomfortable with this type of hodge-podging of today's headlines and trying to fit them into Scripture ...

It's speculation ... and maybe even fear-mongering in some minds ... passed off as sound doctrinal interpretation

Richard Heard used to do it ... all the time ...

Remember 88 reasons why He's coming in 1988???

This damages the futurist cause, IMO.

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i do agree dan, i dont see why prople waste so much time with this, bt to each his own, dt

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Well, at least it keeps them busy. Afterall, He did say to occupy til He comes, correct? :D

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A friend of mine suggested this ... and I think it would be a great idea ...

Let's hold prosperity preachers, word of faith preachers and even these end-time preachers to truth in advertising laws ...

Perhaps a disclaimer saying something like...

Results not typical ....

but neither is faith.

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Today's prophets have it easy. They can just make stuff up, and not even worry about whether it comes true. They're usually ambiguous enough that it either looks like it was a "hit", or there's a way to wiggle out. But sometimes they get a pass, even if it's specific and fails miserably. One famous guy said, on New Year's Eve 1989, that God would destroy the homosexual community (by fire!, bringing cheers from his fans) in the 1990s. He's still making millions.

And how about the visiting preacher that told me God said He would heal my brother? Well, I haven't bothered to track him down and tell him that one failed. Maybe I should, but why bother? Think he'd admit that he just made it up? Not likely. God probably just changed His mind, or healed my brother in Heaven.

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I really believe he just speculates more than prophesies.

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Still baffles me how this has become a cottage industry ...:crazywalls

and results in huge speaking engagements, dvds, books, etc.

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We live in an entertainment driven society, Dan. Need I say more?

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Let's show a little respect for Bro Baxter

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I see this reaction as similar to some who don't want to discuss the writings of Ruth Reider simply because it upholds a doctrine that they hold dear ...

regardless of it's veracity or testing it against Scripture ... or even agreeing with it at all.

These are published claims he has made, Mark ...

and is expanding his ministry based on some of these claims.

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I understand, I have lost more interest in his materials over the last five or six years now.

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Who's being disrespectful? People have said they think he's a good man. DUH?

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I see the ramifications of this as beyond entertainment .... this magazine sat in the room of an impressionable mind ...

also those who are looking to debunk the Gospel are given an opportunity to discredit the Church as a whole... they really love this type of stuff

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Bro. Mark, is it okay to question a minister other than a Pentecostal one? I think Dan brings questions to the table not out of disrespect, but out of clarity.

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I agree that it has cost Apostolics credibility with direct predictions that don't come to pass.

My own feeling is prophecy is to be used generally when it comes to exact predictions of timing and events.

God will authenticate his own prophetic word.

JMO

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Sensationalism sells.

Be it a for-profit prophet, a purveyor of magic prosperity "seed", or a money for miracles faith healer.

I stand by the truth in advertising suggestion.

The church exists to propagate the gospel. The death of Christ, His conquest of sin, hell, and death. His ability to take the least on earth and transform them into sons and daughter of the Most High God. Don't need to be sensationalized.

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No, discuss the doctrine but I have a soft spot for older
ministers who have a good humble spirit. even if don't agree
with everything they teach I hate to see the way people hurt
their feelings

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Don't forget there are the people who are truly humble, and the people who write books about how humble they are...

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This is hilarious! It's OK to start threads expressing shock and awe over an older preacher who wore an ear ring to his daughter's wedding, but God forbid anyone say anything against another older minister who flirts with being a false prophet with all his end time "predictions."

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Me too.

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I went into a bookstore in the Philippines last night and saw Joel Osteen's book prominently displayed... Since I'm from Houston, I didn't realize he had such an international following.

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His books are hawked on book stands by illegal street vendors in downtown Brooklyn ...

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I must agree, I wouldn't read anything he writes unless I was looking for something fictional to read. If you could compile all he's said and missed the mark, you wouldn't believe him either. -Eyes on Jesus-

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Here is a link to the article online .... http://www.endtime.com/pdf/archives/...wo-Billion.pdf

Notice the nuclear mushroom cloud .... and the author's note:

Of course you can buy the CD here ...http://www.endtime.com/Product.aspx?ProdId=79421

and the DVD here: http://www.endtime.com/Product.aspx?ProdID=79418

Interestingly his website tagline states: REVEALING THE FUTURE THROUGH BIBLE PROPHECY

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only two things for sure in prophecy, he's coming and be ready

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGot4vwwcs

2 BILLION DIE: PART 1

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ela1FEcmcM

2 BILLION DIE: PART 2

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