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StillStanding 06-27-2008 01:54 PM

Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
....If Congress Acts!!

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...-10EE2E723948}


Quote:

Gas could fall to $2 if Congress acts, analysts say
Limiting speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told
By Rex Nutting & Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch

Last update: 4:24 p.m. EDT June 23, 2008

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday.
Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135.
Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets.
Krapels said that it wouldn't even take 30 days to drive prices lower, as fund managers quickly liquidated their positions in futures markets.
What do you think about this?

mizpeh 06-27-2008 02:18 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
I'll wait until August to fill up my oil tank.

StillStanding 06-27-2008 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 512146)
I'll wait until August to fill up my oil tank.

:toofunny It really does make you think though, doesn't it?

Tina 06-27-2008 03:34 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Interesting article.... but I'm not holding my breath waiting on congress to do anything to help us....

Nahum 06-27-2008 03:38 PM

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It will never happen.

In fact, gas will be at $5.00 by summer's end.

Pressing-On 06-27-2008 03:57 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
I agree with the article that speculation will just find a new home and I also agree that we would do better by increasing domestic supply. That, IMO, is the greatest issue and should have been started years ago when Bush wanted it done. Of course, the left tree huggers put a stop to that.

On the subjection of reining in consumer demand, that's a little hypocritical coming from someone that approves of speculating. They want us to rein in, but they don't want to curb it in their arena.

Suggesting ways to conserve while prices are high is okay, but not on the level that is being purported by Obama. I can be told the best ways to conserve electricity, but if I'm willing to pay for my consumption, then don't put restrictions unless it's a national emergency.

revrandy 06-27-2008 04:04 PM

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What will the price of heating oil be in the North with gas so high??

gloryseeker 06-27-2008 05:00 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
I catch slack from Christians every time I say this, but "Who Cares." If we Christians who say, "God meets all my needs" would actually believe it we would find that the God Who paves His streets with gold can not only afford $4.00 gas, but He can afford $10.00 gas.


2 Pet 1:3
3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. (NAS)

Hey!!!! our God is bigger than gas, just believe folks!

Pennycostul 06-29-2008 07:48 AM

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Ill believe it when I see it.

Bro-Larry 06-29-2008 01:20 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
You must believe, and not doubt, when you pray, then you shall have it.

The "believing you receive" comes before the "you shall have whatsoever you say".

Praxeas 06-29-2008 02:05 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 512236)
I agree with the article that speculation will just find a new home and I also agree that we would do better by increasing domestic supply. That, IMO, is the greatest issue and should have been started years ago when Bush wanted it done. Of course, the left tree huggers put a stop to that.

On the subjection of reining in consumer demand, that's a little hypocritical coming from someone that approves of speculating. They want us to rein in, but they don't want to curb it in their arena.

Suggesting ways to conserve while prices are high is okay, but not on the level that is being purported by Obama. I can be told the best ways to conserve electricity, but if I'm willing to pay for my consumption, then don't put restrictions unless it's a national emergency.

im skeptical that domestic oil will lower prices, at least by much. Oil Companies have so many different excuses and angels such as S&D...more driving during the summer so prices go up. More refineries going off line. And simply what is happening now, market speculation

Jermyn Davidson 06-29-2008 02:10 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gloryseeker (Post 512294)
I catch slack from Christians every time I say this, but "Who Cares." If we Christians who say, "God meets all my needs" would actually believe it we would find that the God Who paves His streets with gold can not only afford $4.00 gas, but He can afford $10.00 gas.


2 Pet 1:3
3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. (NAS)

Hey!!!! our God is bigger than gas, just believe folks!

You know, even when I homeless, God looked out for me When I got a place to stay and my car broke down many, many miles from home and I had to hitchhike, God looked out for me. Now things are much nicer, and God still and He will look out for me, because HE is good and faithful.

Pressing-On 06-29-2008 02:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 513736)
im skeptical that domestic oil will lower prices, at least by much. Oil Companies have so many different excuses and angels such as S&D...more driving during the summer so prices go up. More refineries going off line. And simply what is happening now, market speculation

Well, I made a huge typo in my previous post! lol It should read subject and not subjection. My normal typing faster than my brain is working. lol

I can agree with you that I am also skeptical, BUT I still want to drill our own oil from our own land. I don't want the dependence on foreign oil. I also want exploration and technology to expand in other areas as well. We can deal with the why and why nots, the high and lows later.

This is an excellent, more in depth, article on speculating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a2Tz_oqk9WfI

Praxeas 06-29-2008 02:30 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 513757)
Well, I made a huge typo in my previous post! lol It should read subject and not subjection. My normal typing faster than my brain is working. lol

I can agree with you that I am also skeptical, BUT I still want to drill our own oil from our own land. I don't want the dependence on foreign oil. I also want exploration and technology to expand in other areas as well. We can deal with the why and why nots, the high and lows later.

This is an excellent, more in depth, article on speculating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a2Tz_oqk9WfI

It would be nice, but which company get's to drill and therefore reap the profits?

You know I read in Iraq that gas is under 1 dollar a gallon. Would Exxon sell us our own gas from American soil cheaper? I doubt it

Rico 06-29-2008 02:30 PM

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Hmmm. I wonder if this is the same meeting I caught part of on C-Span the other day. Speculation in the market is what they were talking about.

Pressing-On 06-29-2008 02:31 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 513759)
It would be nice, but which company get's to drill and therefore reap the profits?

You know I read in Iraq that gas is under 1 dollar a gallon. Would Exxon sell us our own gas from American soil cheaper? I doubt it

Some friends of ours are in from Nigeria and are saying that gas is under a $1 there also.

How do they award the drilling contracts?

Pressing-On 06-29-2008 02:32 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 513760)
Hmmm. I wonder if this is the same meeting I caught part of on C-Span the other day. Speculation in the market is what they were talking about.

From the article I posted it appears to be up in the air and not totally proven that speculating is doing all that much hurt. At least that's what I gleaned from it.

Praxeas 06-29-2008 02:46 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 513762)
Some friends of ours are in from Nigeria and are saying that gas is under a $1 there also.

How do they award the drilling contracts?

No bid contracts to friends like the ones to Haliburten?

CC1 06-29-2008 02:47 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 512131)
....If Congress Acts!!

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...-10EE2E723948}




What do you think about this?

I heard on the news yesterday that some analyst is predicting oil at $200 per barrel by Christmas which would mean gast a $7 per gallon.

I am glad my wifes Linclon Town Car gets 25 mpg on the highway for trips! In the old days a full size car would have only gotten around 9 mpg.

TRFrance 06-29-2008 02:47 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gloryseeker (Post 512294)
I catch slack from Christians every time I say this, but "Who Cares." If we Christians who say, "God meets all my needs" would actually believe it we would find that the God Who paves His streets with gold can not only afford $4.00 gas, but He can afford $10.00 gas.

2 Pet 1:3
3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. (NAS)

Hey!!!! our God is bigger than gas, just believe folks!

I guess you're trying to express faith, which is admirable, I suppose. But your post still comes across as being overly simplistic and somewhat naive.

So if gas went up to $10 a gallon, we should all just shrug our shoulders and say "who cares"? Please. Lets get real here. The increase in fuel prices is not just an added burden on Christians, but it's a burden on all Americans.

Rico 06-29-2008 02:49 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 513785)
I guess you're trying to express faith, which is admirable, I suppose. But your post still comes across as being overly simplistic and somewhat naive.

So if gas went up to $10 a barrel, we should all just shrug our shoulders and say "who cares"? Please. Lets get real here.

Brother, it would be nice if gas was $10 a barrel. A barrel is 50 gallons! I could get myself a nice 4x4 with a big 460 cubic inch engine then!!! :bliss :D

TRFrance 06-29-2008 02:51 PM

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I saw the error, and went ahead and corrected it.

Pressing-On 06-29-2008 02:53 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 513782)
No bid contracts to friends like the ones to Haliburten?

Well, if they trust Halliburton, and I have many friends and family that work for them, why not give them the contract? It's a good company. That's how I felt about the bids in Iraq on that issue.

Pressing-On 06-29-2008 02:54 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 513791)
I saw the error, and went ahead and corrected it.

Aw, the mental note. Thanks! :toofunny

Pressing-On 06-29-2008 02:56 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 513785)
I guess you're trying to express faith, which is admirable, I suppose. But your post still comes across as being overly simplistic and somewhat naive.

So if gas went up to $10 a gallon, we should all just shrug our shoulders and say "who cares"? Please. Lets get real here. The increase in fuel prices is not just an added burden on Christians, but it's a burden on all Americans.

Right, good post. Our faith is what we survive on, now on to the debating/discussing/rationalizing....... :toofunny

Rico 06-29-2008 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 513791)
I went ahead and corrected it.

Don't burst the bubble so soon, Brother. :D

gloryseeker 06-29-2008 05:10 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 513785)
I guess you're trying to express faith, which is admirable, I suppose. But your post still comes across as being overly simplistic and somewhat naive.

So if gas went up to $10 a gallon, we should all just shrug our shoulders and say "who cares"? Please. Lets get real here. The increase in fuel prices is not just an added burden on Christians, but it's a burden on all Americans.

While I actually agree with the second paragraph of your post in context, my post was to believers. Yes, $10 gas would be a burden on Americans and it probably will because of who is likely to be voted into our Presidency, but for us believer's if you'll use your faith it should not be a burden on you.


On the flip side (1st paragraph), your comment "trying to express faith, which is admirable" is what most Christians say (as I said in the post, I always catch slack), but it is sad that so few Christians actually know how to use faith and do not understand what God has provided for them. In fact, they go so far as to try and run down people who are willing to actually live the faith life. It is a truly amazing thing to me.

Anyway, as the Bible says, "according to your faith so be it" :happydance

Hoovie 06-29-2008 07:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 512243)
What will the price of heating oil be in the North with gas so high??

I know the North East is buying Wood-stoves/and Chimneys in record numbers. Two major stove manufacturers are back ordered 4 months at a time in the season when they are normally caught up and sending out orders in 2 weeks.

Brother Price 06-29-2008 07:26 PM

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What effect is this having on the evangelists, who are not preaching this modern prosperity message, but are dedicated to proclaiming the Gospel? Some have left full time work to pursue the Lord's call, and I am concerned how this crunch will effect them?

tamor 06-30-2008 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 513945)
I know the North East is buying Wood-stoves/and Chimneys in record numbers. Two major stove manufacturers are back ordered 4 months at a time in the season when they are normally caught up and sending out orders in 2 weeks.

I have a wood heater in my basement. I haven't burned wood since 1999 but it might be time to clean my chimney out and see if it still works!

BrotherEastman 06-30-2008 07:29 AM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 512131)
....If Congress Acts!!

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...-10EE2E723948}




What do you think about this?

That's fine as long as the dollar doesn't keep dropping. Speculators are only concerned about Iran being attacked.

RandyWayne 06-30-2008 08:06 AM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Forget laws that would outlaw speculation.... Just the announcement of a major drilling project in the USA (even though there would not be a single refined drop in 12-15 years) would have the same results.

DividedThigh 06-30-2008 09:37 AM

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please let it happen but i have little faith in govt, nanny state

ReformedDave 06-30-2008 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 514378)
please let it happen but i have little faith in govt, nanny state

And we shouldn't.

Revelationist 06-30-2008 03:16 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
What they don't tell you, is you won't have the money to buy it when it does though.

Rico 06-30-2008 03:21 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
In my opinion, $2 a gallon gasoline would be more in line with where it should be.

Revelationist 06-30-2008 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 514645)
In my opinion, $2 a gallon gasoline would be more in line with where it should be.

Do you buy bottled water?

Rico 06-30-2008 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Revelationist (Post 514767)
Do you buy bottled water?

Nope. Why?

Revelationist 06-30-2008 05:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 514769)
Nope. Why?

Bottled water and Cokes are more than $2.00 a gallon. In fact, there's a lot of things that are more than $2.00 a gallon, and these items take a lot less money to make them than gasoline.

Rico 06-30-2008 05:45 PM

Re: Gas Could Fall to $2 in 30 Days........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Revelationist (Post 514773)
Bottled water and Cokes are more than $2.00 a gallon. In fact, there's a lot of things that are more than $2.00 a gallon, and these items take a lot less money to make them than gasoline.

Brother, I used to work for a friend of my dad's at the gas station he owned. A 32 oz soda, including the water, ice, cup, and syrup cost him 13 cents. In fact, if you buy bottled soda, the cost of the plastic bottle it's in costs more to make than the soda itself. I don't doubt for a minute that it costs more to make gasoline than soda, but I know it doesn't cost all that much to make soda.


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