Mocking those that don't practice the same "liberties" as you...
 

Learning to Function in the Laws of Liberty.

I understand that it goes both ways. Many times conservative Apostolics judge and condemn those who do not hold to the same standards or levels of conformation as they. Also, those who practice certain levels of liberty often mock and judge those on the other side of the spectrum. I find this disheartening.

Romans 14, 1 Corinthians 8:9, Galatians 5 all speak to the biblical principles of the laws of liberty. Is open mockery of things that men and women hold to as principles of godly living acceptable to God? I value the discussion here. It's why I signed up. I appreciate the open discussion and honest debate. When we digress into the mockery of things that people here hold dear, however, does it displease the God who has granted us liberty over tradition?

You are not going to like this forum. Mockery is all most liberals do here. They despise anything holy and pure, especially Apostolic doctrine that is unshakeable like the Name, baptism, and the oneness of God.

Good luck GL, you have a rough road ahead. You are about to be descended on by a pack of truth hating wolves.

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I've lurked here and there for quite some time. I understand many of the dynamics of the forum.

I'm also extremely open-minded to discussion. It's the mockery which we should all admit is ungodly.

An example of why an open forum may not be the best place for some?

Why is that those who might differ with us on some points are equated to despising anything holy and pure ... or hating Apostolic doctrine?

Shamgar ... GL quite accurately stated that it happens on both sides ... or is it only mockery when it comes from the other side???

I totally agree, especially if I'm getting mocked! :winkgrin

Again, good luck in your search to end profanity on this forum.
It will never happen.

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I am most certain that I have it all wrong.

Carry on Mr. Alicea. You are intelligent enough to lead many astray. You are doing a wonderful job of it.

I'll never mock (critisize or try to convert to my thinking) a snake handler again.

I'll try to be understanding to the healing power hair folks too.

If you don't like it - there are other forums that you may want to go to!
Just because we don't buy into your little idea and doctrine - does NOT mean we are not Apostolic or that we are liberal!
Most everyone on here baptizes in Jesus Names and believes that there is One God and speaks in tongues.

I just want to clarify that healing hair is not a doctrine which I believe or preach. :winkgrin

I appreciate you calling me intelligent but disagree with your assessment of why.

If most equals fifty-one percent, you may be right.
I doubt it though. Most don't even think baptism matters, and that the Holy Spirit is a nice little extra if you ever get around to it.

You are living in fantasy land. Is that next to Atlanta?

...and another serious thread is hijacked...

:ignore

Ladies and Gentlemen,

In your quest for all truth, please understand that making this topic, or other topics, a personal attack, is not acceptable. We try to give grace to both sides, but only to a certain point.

So please show your maturity by dealing with the topic, and not the person.

You Are Wrong!
 

You are WRONG! Most do think that baptism matters and we do not just think the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is like a spare tire. You are still Wrong!

GL, I do not nor have I ever mocked someone for practicing their beliefs of standards.

I will however make it known that when someone is snarling at me with a righteous indignation look.

I do wonder why some folks think it such a problem to see someone not abiding by all the standards.

I think they are frustrated that they have to abide by the rules to get out of their church want they want.

Such as playing the piano, singing a solo, teaching sunday school etc.

When many of us attend churches where the move of God and revivial are happening....

Many feel and have told me "Standards" are the price I pay to be in my ministry.

Sounds much like Catholism.....

Some folks need to add "faith" to their walk and step out and see that God will still be with them....

It is the comfort of relationships, connections, and livelihood that keep many from stepping out.

It is the same thing behind why so many folks will not leave their 20 year cush of a job.

When in reality I have more than doubled my income over the past 3 years by moving to new companies....

Nathan Eckstadt

Rom 14:1-13

Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

"As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God."

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way.

Awesome.

HAHAHAHA, this is RICH!

Of course, it's always the liberals slamming the conservatives, right?

Well, just go look at a thread called "Flippantly Flaunted Spiritual Liberties". You'll see some conservatives bashing some liberals.

Of course, that's quickly forgotten.........

Gal 5:13-15

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty ; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!

So, why do you hang around if your superior morals and "standards" are insulted by the profanity of the libs?

Just wanted to make sure this post was not missed.

Thanks.

So, you've done a formal survey to determine this 51% number? Or is it just your opinion?

Once again, as with most (at least 51%) of your ilk, you've dodged facts in order to build you strawman case.

Conservative Liberal
 

I think I am a Balanced Conservative Liberal that is middle of the road -Some say I am gonna get run over! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!! :happydance

If I leave, there will be no voice of truth.:grampa

Someone must carry the banner here.
It looks like my superior intellect has no match.

I am pleasantly surprised.

Everyone on this thread has now admitted that baptism in the name of Jesus, and the Holy Ghost experience, are necessary for salvation.

I apologize for the apparently errant opinions I expressed earlier.

I realize that several here post out of frustration, hurt and years of what they may consider to be bondage.

When people don't see things as we do, particularly in areas where we feel spiritually enlightened, it can be incredibly frustrating. When we feed ourselves on the hurt and frustration, however, that frustration can grow into bitterness. It taints much of what we do and say.

A bitter heart often leads to a mocking, cynical attitude and spirit. God help us to be fully free in the liberty which You provide.

Not true...not true!!

We ALL always have...*sigh*

I've really enjoyed the scriptural depth on this thread.
Again, good luck GL. Have a great day.

I can't resist responding. Who is "we all"?

I think you are responding for many who wouldn't want you to.

You have the gender all wrong.

As I have been around most of these folks for a number of years, I can assure you that some of them believe initial salvation occurs when one repents, and then adds that a person should go on in obedience and be baptized and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

But there are still quite a few of us that still believe that your response to the gospel must be no less than Acts 2:38, and that you must go on to know the Lord, and live a life of holiness.

HAHAHAHA, as are you, my misguided and very amusing friend!

It makes me happy to bring you so much joy.
The truth is like that.

Lovely new clothes, Emperor.

Thank you :D