Is Water Baptism Necessary For Salvation?
 

Simply put, if a person receives Christ, repents and is filled with the Holy Spirit on a Sunday evening and decides to wait until Wednesday evening to be baptized for whatever reason, yet dies on Monday evening, without be water baptized, is he/she saved or lost and why?

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oy veh

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This sounds familiar?:hmmm

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So here is the defninitive answer.

some of us believe that you are not saved without baptism in the name of Jesus. period.

some of us believe that Baptism is a profession of faith in Christ, and is a public statment of the salvation recieved at repentance.

others believe that a person who comes to christ, recieves the HG but dies before being baptized would be saved but if they refused baptism they would not be saved.


in all the above cases some of us believe that Jesus name baptism is the ONLY effectual form of baptism, some of us believe Jesus name baptism is "more biblical" but do not believe that it is exclusive.

Others believe that baptism in either Jesus name or the titles are on equal footing.


Did I leave anything out?

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AG returns.

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A good cliff notes version.
How about the links to the discussion in question.

Post the one stepper vs three steeper thread, there is about three weeks of reading there!:whistle

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lol you guys are great. of course it is essential! Didnt Jesus Himself say that unless a man be born of the WATER and of the SPIRIT he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven? and didnt Peter confirm that by saying repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for the remission on your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost? we have no assurance of tomorrow. if baptism is truly necessary (and it is) then in needs to be done today! dont wait!

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Perhaps, he is looking for a friend?

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must be born again, must be born again, must be born again, .....of the WATER and the SPIRIT (no, amniotic fluid is not part of the new birth!)


must have sins remitted, must have sins remitted, must have sins remitted... arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins calling upon the name of the Lord.



must be circumcised, must be circumcised, must be circumcised......Spiritually!



But you already know this, AG. :snapout


But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31

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YES!

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uhm...


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unless you belive that Jesus was talking about natural birth and spiritual birth instead of being born of water (baptism) and spirit (infilling of the HG)

and so long as you think that the word "for" in Acts 2:38 means because of instead of "for".....

well uhm.. yea.

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Uh oh, the unless's have begun. I'm still tired from that thread last week to jump back in. You all get to know your neighbors and have fun though.

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What time in the evening did he die? What was the time and date? What was he wearing at the time?

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im just heading them off at the pass....



count me with those that believe Peter meant what he said.

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Three easy steps necessary for salvation.


1. No nose, ear, hair.- eyebrows no longer that 1/4 centimeter. --Must be verified by at least a pastor or Sunday School Superintendent using the international metric measurements system.
2. No yellow teeth allowed. Coffee and Tea drinkers, it is suggested you have immediate teeth whitening. Your shade of white is measured by standard dental charts and must be at least two shades whiter than the standard median tone.
3. Every event you plan to attend and every habit you have (including consumption of your favorite snacks--especially those high in sugar--) must be pre approved by the deacon board. Applications must be submitted at least two weeks prior to the event and must be signed by all parties and notarized by a legal authority. Any deviations to this policy will immediately suspend your rights as a Christian and doom your soul to hell. If you decide to repent--crawling in the front door of church while wearing burlap and ashes will not be accepted (unless accompanied by $1000 donation). Those seeking restoration must submit the standard repentance form approved by the deacon board, applications are considered on the first Sunday of each five Sunday month.

Any questions regarding our salvation policy please direct to the pastor the week following his annual vacation. (His vacation application is still pending with the board. There will be a meeting soon to address the possibility of a meeting to approve this action).

All other salvation requests should be directed to the General Secretary who will forward to the quarterly board meeting of the general council. Their decision is final and cannot be questioned.

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Yes. Some believe that you must be baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus", others "in the name of Jesus" and still others "in the name of Jesus Christ". Or pick your combination. Some will be adamant that to be baptized in ANY other way is a one-way ticket to hell.

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I baptize you in the name the Father Son and Holy Ghost, the name of Jesus, our Lord Jesus Christ, in the name of Jesus Christ.

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They have not been born again of the water. And the bible says ye must be. Thats my understanding, and according to my teachings. I do believe though.. they will fall into the hands of a merciful God, and its not my job to put anybody in hell. Especially when they are making strides towards God.

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I am so glad I am not God and have to judge that issue. :dance

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In the specific situation you have presented, I BELIEVE that person would indeed be saved as we are all only saved by the grace and mercy of God in the first place.

Let me also state that, through scripture, the believer's faith that brings salvation will be validated by what they do. If one really believes, then why wouldn't he/she OBEY the Gospel?

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AG, this is one of them tricky questions. I've always felt that there's room for the possibility of someone being saved without having been baptized in Jesus name and receiving the HG, but in my opinion those instances would be very limited in scope.

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Same song... different beat.

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Maybe this is the Southern Rock version. I happen to like Southern Rock! :rockband

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How often has this really, verifiable, happened? Could the Lord be powerful enough to keep someone from dying that wanted to be baptized and had made plans to be baptized?

If one knows they should be baptized, why wait? I can't recall one instance in the Book of Acts where they put off baptizing anyone for a few days. Am I wrong about that?



The real question everyone has to ask themselves is "what hinders me from rising up and being baptized calling on the name of the Lord"?

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I've seen instances when baptism was delayed for this reason or that, through no fault of the person wanting to get baptized.

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YOU ARE NOT SAVED WITHOUT BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME!

PERIOD!

As to the question in the opening post?
I am NOT God...

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I didn't say it doesn't happen. I just think if one is desperate enough they'd insist on it right away. If a minister thinks it is vital, why would he tell someone "Let's do this later"?


All the hypothetical questions in the world does not absolve an individual from obeying the word.

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

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You are assuming there is always a readily available means to get someone baptized. I know what you are saying, but sometimes circumstances just get in the way. Say, for example, it's the middle of January. Heading on down to the River is out of the question because it's 20 below zero. It's 11:30 on Sunday night and y'all had a blowout service. A sinner makes his way to the altar during the altar call. He wants to get baptized, but there's no water in the baptistry because the line sprung a leak and they haven't been fixed yet. The pastor says to wait until he can either get the baptisty fixed or find somewhere to perform the baptism. Brother New Convert leaves and dies from an unexpected heart attack or in a car wreck that night. Does he get into Heaven? My feeling is he would, but that's one of them tricky judgement calls only God should make.

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For some odd reason, the old Sonny and Cher song "And the beat goes on" went through my head as I scanned.... briefly scanned... through this thread.


The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de dee, la de da de da

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Sometimes our pastors in Africa only get to baptize a few times a year and they will baptize many at one time. They do not live close to a body of water and they have to save money to rent a pool at a hotel. They can't just do that every week, so they wait until they have several to baptize. I don't believe that God would judge these people waiting to be baptized!

I think you are in danger when you reject baptism or the Holy Ghost, but not before then, if you are truly seeking God. JMHO!

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Yes you did. You left out someone who believes that a person who INTENDS TO BE BAPTIZED, but dies before having a chance to do so, is considered baptized since God counts those things that are not as though they were in such cases. :D

Something else to ponder... what if God also knows if someone WOULD be obedient to baptism IF they were preached it by someone with WISDOM, and not hammered, but never were?

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We could also draw this a little farther out and say that what if God also knows if someone WOULD be obedient to REPENTANCE IF they were preached it by someone with WISDOM, and not hammered, but never were?

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I disagree with you on this. They used to break through the ice in the creek in the North Carolina Mountains to have a baptismal. I personally have crawled into a running creek that had to be below zero to baptize someone that had seen the light on Jesus Name Baptism. If it is taught as salvational, there will be a push to baptize someone as soon as possible. If someone is putting it off because of inconvenience, then they probably really don't believe it is necessary for salvation, or they do not really have a heart for souls.

I have also baptized someone in a tub in their bathroom. It wasn't easy, but she went all the way under in Jesus name!

Where there is a will, there is a way.

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Amen!

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That's great, St. Matt, but good luck getting anyone to be willing to go into the Ohio River or the Wabash River in warm weather, let alone when it's the middle of winter. Based on the logic in your post, it would be the pastor who didn't think it was necessary, because that is who told the person in my story to wait.

Also, I happen to know of situations where someone can't get baptized until proper channels are dealt with, like people in prison. You can't just walk in and announce you are going to baptize someone. They, along with the volunteer who is going to baptize them, have to get permission from the prison officials.

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Just surmising, but there is a difference between proving desire to follow God and not.

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Rico, I have a good friend that was over the prison ministry in an area of MO. He pre-set up the ability to baptize ANY prisoner that wanted to be baptized. They did not have to wait. IF it is important enough, someone will giter done.


I will also say this. If God is big enough to forgive their sins, I believe he is big enough to keep them until they CAN get baptized.

I would really like to know if anyone here has ever known someone that wanted to get baptized, and was not able to, and died before the opportunity came?

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I missed commenting on this first part of your post.


IF someone rejects baptism, wether warm weather or cold, are they really interested in being obedient to the Gospel?

And if a Pastor would put off baptizing someone, then shame on him! He obviously does not think much of the persons soul. Would you continue to go to a doctor for a life saving treatment if he decided that it was too cold to come in and see you?

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Well, maybe you can send him over to Indiana. Them people were tough to deal with! Actually, it was more the chaplain who was tough to deal with. He wasn't very pro-tongue talkin. Even though the prisoner's are supposed to have the right to excercise their religion, the prison chaplain still can find ways to make things difficult for groups he doesn't agree with. Last I heard, he got transferred out, so maybe they were finally able to get things worked out. Federal prisons are a totally different ballgame. It's much easier to get things done with them.

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I don't believe that for a second, St Matt. Sometimes there are legitimate reasons for people not being able to be baptized immediately. What if it was an 80 year old woman? Can you honestly tell me you think she should risk getting into a river with fast moving currents, in the middle of winter, rather than wait a few days for the pastor to find a more suitable way for her to be baptized?