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rrford 07-08-2008 04:26 PM

When Jesus Comes to Church
 
A Pastor has some unique feelings about what happens at church; he wants everything to be just right because there are going to be guests there. And there is a purpose to what the church is doing. We obviously want the guests to become more than just guests. So it is important that everything is just right.

There are some things that just need to be right: The place needs to be clean; The lights and heat or air needs to be right; The ushers need to be dressed properly and be warm and friendly; The members need to be here early to pray and to make guests feel welcome; The service needs to start on time; The music needs to be just right for that service; The worship leader needs to have his act together; The soloist needs to have practiced and have a song that says something; The preacher, he definitely better have it together.

So, a Pastor knows what it is, and how important it is, to come in and look things over before service begins, because there is a purpose to what we do.

Sometimes things are just perfect and other imes, well…. The cleaning could have been better, it is too cold or too hot, the ushers should have had their wives help dress them and they could have greeted the guests a little friendlier, and service was a few minutes late getting started, and the organ was too loud and the keyboard was plying in the wrong key, and who knew what the praise singers were doing, the worship leader didn't worship enough, let alone lead anybody in worship, the soloist didn't practice and man could we tell it, and the preacher, heaven help us, the preacher, maybe he should go back and figure out if he is really called after all.

We should never look at things from a critical viewpoint if the Church's motives are right and its purpose is being fulfilled. Because there are times that things aren't always going to be perfect. You will never find a perfect Church, and even if you do, don't join it because you'll ruin it. But then again, there are some things that should never happen in the House of God…

When Jesus came to Church, in this particular passage of Mark 11:11-24, was after His triumphal entry into Jerusalem. As it was His custom, He stops by the temple.

What is strange is what He did not do in the temple: He did not pray; He did not sing; He did not give an offering; He did not preach nor listen to preaching; He did not greet friends and guests; He did not shake the preachers hands.

Then what did He do? Verse 11 states that "He looked round about on all things.” Jesus came to Church and just looked around. He had nothing to say, He just looked. He then left the Temple and spent the night in Bethany.

Now tell me, why did Jesus just look around? After all, Church is supposed to be more than just looking around. I know that is all some people do, but we aren't talking about some people, we are talking about Jesus Christ, God manifested in the flesh. If anyone should have done more than just look it should have been Jesus. So, why did He just look around and leave?

To get a proper answer we have to follow the story on out. But we need to ask ourselves a couple of very important questions: What was He thinking the whole time He was looking around? What was going through His mind while He watched the people that were gathered there? The Bible does not tell us in so many words, but if we look into the rest of the chapter we find out what his thoughts were.

I have to believe that late into the night Jesus did some thinking. I have to believe that it was not an easy night for Him. There were emotional struggles that He went through. I believe that He felt frustration and anger, and that He wrestled with the response He should take. We are not told these things in so many words, but when we look at the events of the next day, we are given insight to His thoughts.

The next morning Jesus arises early and heads back to Jerusalem. He did not stop long enough to eat breakfast before he left. But hurriedly, as a man with a mission, He begins His journey. His disciples have arisen and are with Him.

A very interesting event occurs on their way into Jerusalem. Jesus begins to feel hunger pangs and sees a fig tree full of leaves by the wayside. We need to understand a couple of things about fig trees: They were plenteous in this area. After all Bethany means "house of figs." The tree would bear the fruit and then the leaves would come out. So Jesus, when He approached the tree, knew that the figs should be there, because the leaves were already there.

But He finds no figs on the tree. Mark says it was "because the time of figs was not yet." And in a technical sense he was correct. But, please understand, in this area, because of the climate, figs would be produced earlier than in other parts of the country. So Jesus had every right to expect fruit to be on the tree. When He finds none He curses the tree. "No man eat fruit of thee hereafter forever." And His disciples heard it. Don't forget that they heard it.

Nothing more is said by Jesus or the disciples, they just continue on their journey to Jerusalem. Not another word about breakfast, so it makes one wonder if breakfast was really the issue. Strange, isn't it? Jesus always seemed to have an ulterior motive when He did things.

He now enters again into the temple. But lest I forget, let me clarify why I think it was an emotional night for Jesus the previous night. Luke, in the 9th chapter, in describing the same event says this "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

What an emotional appeal! I believe for Him to respond this way upon entering Jerusalem He spent a very uncomfortable night. There were things about His visit to the temple that troubled Him. His actions in the temple bear this out. His fitful night yielded to a profound burden and sorrow which has now given way to anger and righteous indignation.

He enters once again into the temple. This time He does not just look around. But with fire in His eyes and acid on His tongue He sets to work. He bodily threw out those that bought and sold in the temple.

You see some people view Church as just a place to network and do business. Absolutely no thoughts are given to the spiritual aspects of the place. Jesus was abhorred at the thought and these were the first to go.

rrford 07-08-2008 04:26 PM

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Next, He overthrew the tables of the moneychangers. It is not that what they were doing was so wrong. People needed to exchange one currency for another, it was a common practice. But these moneychangers had made it a lucrative and profitable business by charging exorbitant exchange rates. To think that one would profit off of the need of others in the name of the Church! It made His blood boil. He grabbed their tables in both hands and upended them and money went flying everywhere.

With a vengeance He then turns to those that are selling doves for the sacrifice. Again, this was a common practice. But they were charging highly inflated prices to the common people within the Temple. When Jesus realized that they were trying to profit from the willingness to sacrifice by His people it further infuriated Him. He grabs a chair by the leg and gives it a heave. Then He grabs a bench with 2 or 3 dove sellers on it and turns it over. His hand reaches out and grabs the cages of the doves and He opens the door to release them.

By this time the Temple is a mess. People are weeping and screaming, broken furniture is lying all over the place, doves are flying around looking for a place to escape. Jesus has a wild look in His eyes as He searches for his next avenue of attack. He stops and looks around again. As the dust filters through the sunlight and people become still and quiet, He speaks with a thunderous voice. Now He is telling them how He really feels. He is explaining by His actions what it was He observed the evening before.

When people come to Church there are certain things they ought to be able to expect and there are certain things that should never happen in the House of God. The house of God ought to be a house of prayer and worship. It should not be a place to do business to take advantage of the people of God. It was for this reason that Jesus spoke the words that he did earlier that morning.

With tears in His eyes, He spoke to the city of the opportunity that they had neglected. But at the same time He was laying part of the blame at the feet of those in the temple.

If the city was ever going to be saved, there would need to be a temple that was right with God. It could not be a temple that had distorted priorities and ideas. People would have to come with the mindset that God would be there and meet their needs.

The next morning, after the upheaval in the Temple, they pass by the fig tree once again. It has withered away to nothing. The disciples are astounded and express this to the Lord. They cannot believe that it has happened so quickly.

The Lord then speaks to them concerning faith. What He says seem to be have nothing to do with the loss of the fig tree. But understand this whole episode started with the fig tree.

After Jesus had spent the night thinking about what he saw in the temple, He comes to the fig tree and curses it for looking like it should have fruit, but does not.

Is not this the same thing He was saying about the temple? Did He not say that His house should be a house of prayer, but they had made it a den of thieves?

It looked like a temple, and no doubt, people came looking to be fed by God. But like Jesus approaching the fig tree, they find no fruit in the temple.

What about your Temple? Oh, not just the building you assemble in on Sunday, but what about your inner man, the temple of God? Is it a place that God is the priority and He can work through you? Or are you the type going through life just networking and increasing your own profit? Are you merely trying to benefit from the needs of others? Has Jesus looked at you and wept because you are missing the day of your visitation? Like the fig tree, has He found you lacking and is proclaiming that you are barren?

What happens when Jesus comes to Church in your Temple?

Nahum 07-08-2008 04:31 PM

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I'm not sure how to respond.

Steve Epley 07-08-2008 04:34 PM

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Powerful and timely. The man is a professor and a smart one too.

rrford 07-08-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 522078)
I'm not sure how to respond.

Sorry. I was merely getting weary of all of the hair threads, who is and who else isn't saved, what is okay and what is not and thought it might do good to put on an introspective thread. Just give it an hour or so and this one will probably fade beneath hair, smoking and easy believism.

Nahum 07-08-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522093)
Sorry. I was merely getting weary of all of the hair threads, who is and who else isn't saved, what is okay and what is not and thought it might do good to put on an introspective thread. Just give it an hour or so and this one will probably fade beneath hair, smoking and easy believism.

Come on Bro, don't be cross.

I just thought the article was so good that maybe any comment I could make would seem stupid. I didn't mean to offend you.

I already filed it for future reference.

Thanks for posting it.

Carpenter 07-08-2008 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522093)
Sorry. I was merely getting weary of all of the hair threads, who is and who else isn't saved, what is okay and what is not and thought it might do good to put on an introspective thread. Just give it an hour or so and this one will probably fade beneath hair, smoking and easy believism.

I thought it was excellent because it did not tell me to think and act corporately which I believe is what those other posts and threads are rebelling against.

It is refreshing to know that when Jesus comes to church, I...ME, have a direct result in what He sees and does. I get into trouble when I refuse to fit into this corporate culture, high density foam cut-out with THAT (performance) being the expectation and bar that is set that would dictate how, when and with what intensity God would move.

I get the corporate prayer and corporate worship...there is nothing better, however, when I am called to become part of the blob, no thank you.

Tremendous writing excellent my friend. I miss hearing this stuff in person, if you don't think I need it, simply re-read what I just wrote!

:slaphappy

rrford 07-08-2008 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 522106)
Come on Bro, don't be cross.

I just thought the article was so good that maybe any comment I could make would seem stupid. I didn't mean to offend you.

I already filed it for future reference.

Thanks for posting it.

Sorry. I really wasn't trying to be cross or offensive. I appreciate you thinking the article was good.

rrford 07-08-2008 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 522114)
I thought it was excellent because it did not tell me to think and act corporately which I believe is what those other posts and threads are rebelling against.

It is refreshing to know that when Jesus comes to church, I...ME, have a direct result in what He sees and does. I get into trouble when I refuse to fit into this corporate culture, high density foam cut-out with THAT (performance) being the expectation and bar that is set that would dictate how, when and with what intensity God would move.

I get the corporate prayer and corporate worship...there is nothing better, however, when I am called to become part of the blob, no thank you.

Tremendous writing excellent my friend. I miss hearing this stuff in person, if you don't think I need it, simply re-read what I just wrote!

:slaphappy

My phone still works. :tease (Evidenced by the other day it ringing and your name being on the Caller ID. But alas, it was another one of those "Accidental Dials.") :ursofunny

Sister Alvear 07-08-2008 04:46 PM

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very good...thanks I filed it also.

Carpenter 07-08-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522122)
My phone still works. :tease (Evidenced by the other day it ringing and your name being on the Caller ID. But alas, it was another one of those "Accidental Dials.") :ursofunny

Just be glad you are one of only 6 people I have on my speed dial... :ursofunny

You were the one who said he would call me back after you preached the youth camp...did it take you THAT long to recooperate? :slaphappy

MissBrattified 07-08-2008 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522067)
What about your Temple? Oh, not just the building you assemble in on Sunday, but what about your inner man, the temple of God? Is it a place that God is the priority and He can work through you? Or are you the type going through life just networking and increasing your own profit? Are you merely trying to benefit from the needs of others? Has Jesus looked at you and wept because you are missing the day of your visitation? Like the fig tree, has He found you lacking and is proclaiming that you are barren?

What happens when Jesus comes to Church in your Temple?

Sobering questions, rrford. Great article.

rrford 07-08-2008 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 522130)
Just be glad you are one of only 6 people I have on my speed dial... :ursofunny

You were the one who said he would call me back after you preached the youth camp...did it take you THAT long to recooperate? :slaphappy

Who said I have recovered yet? Preaching youth camps at 45 years old ought to be illegal. :crazy

rrford 07-08-2008 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 522134)
Sobering questions, rrford. Great article.

Thanks! I was in your fair city a few weeks ago. Didn't have the time to get together with your pastor. But next time...

SDG 07-08-2008 04:53 PM

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Filed.

Maple Leaf 07-08-2008 04:58 PM

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Excellent thoughts, eloquently expressed, and very thought provoking.

John succinctly described "all that is in the world:" materialism; hedonism; and pride. These worldly principles are particularly offensive to God when they show up in the temple, whether in the assembly or in the heart. The insidious nature of worldliness is that it often hides behind legal, or even necessary activities.

Materialism masquerading as blessing or success; hedonism surfeiting on "lawful meats;" and pride using the pulpit as a pedestal are all fodder for the Master's plaited cords.

The constant struggle of the church and the believer is to resist conformity to the world and to be transformed through renewal of the mind. How quickly our flesh sets up tables in the temple of God and makes carnal merchandise of God's gifts and of God's people. Living in constant contact with the world, we need to meditate in His law both day and night.

God, create in me a clean heart . . .

(That's what I got out of Bro. RR's post.)

Carpenter 07-08-2008 05:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf (Post 522159)

God, create in me a clean heart . . .

(That's what I got out of Bro. RR's post.)

He was right on track then, this is usually my thought immediately after I get done talking with RRFord...

Ron 07-08-2008 05:16 PM

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Very profound & very true.
Every one should read this.

Thank you rrford, & it is good to see you posting again.

AFF needs posts of substance.

stmatthew 07-08-2008 05:30 PM

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Friends,

During their unscheduled trip to Melita, Paul and the men of the ship found themselves in a vessel being broken apart. The story goes that the soldiers present had intent to kill the prisoners, Paul included, so that they would not be able to escape. If not for the Centurion, who wanted to save Paul, they would all have been slain. The command was that those that could swim do so and get to land. Others had to hold to boards and broken peices of the ship so that they would not drown.

My Friends, this thread represents a board to hold to. A solid piece of substance in a vast sea of fluid. With its posting, we shall not drown in a sea of nothingness, but have something stable with which to hold to until we reach the shore.







:D Thanks for posting it Bro Ford! I did enjoy reading it again.

Esther 07-08-2008 06:05 PM

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Very, very good RRFord. It is these kinds of post that I truly enjoy feasting on. :)

Mrs. LPW 07-08-2008 06:22 PM

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[/QUOTE] What about your Temple? Oh, not just the building you assemble in on Sunday, but what about your inner man, the temple of God? Is it a place that God is the priority and He can work through you? Or are you the type going through life just networking and increasing your own profit? Are you merely trying to benefit from the needs of others? Has Jesus looked at you and wept because you are missing the day of your visitation? Like the fig tree, has He found you lacking and is proclaiming that you are barren?

What happens when Jesus comes to Church in your Temple?[/QUOTE]

Wow...
Did you right this Brother? Your church is blessed.

Monkeyman 07-08-2008 06:29 PM

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*sigh* Monk needs to get his act together

Thanks RRFORD, you hear from the Lord...

Carpenter 07-08-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 522235)
Did you right this Brother? Your church is blessed.

Um...he doesn't have a church, but he certainly has a following.

Tyk 07-08-2008 06:48 PM

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Excellent post! As said before, sobering question. After reading this I think I'll take a break from the "other" threads. Otherwise it's penetration will be lost! -(I'm only applying this rule to me, no other :))

Mrs. LPW 07-08-2008 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 522250)
What about your Temple? Oh, not just the building you assemble in on Sunday, but what about your inner man, the temple of God? Is it a place that God is the priority and He can work through you? Or are you the type going through life just networking and increasing your own profit? Are you merely trying to benefit from the needs of others? Has Jesus looked at you and wept because you are missing the day of your visitation? Like the fig tree, has He found you lacking and is proclaiming that you are barren?

What happens when Jesus comes to Church in your Temple?

Wow...
Did you right this Brother? Your church is blessed.[/QUOTE]

Um...he doesn't have a church, but he certainly has a following.[/QUOTE]

Sign me up...
:D

Carpenter 07-08-2008 06:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 522259)
Wow...
Did you right this Brother? Your church is blessed.

Um...he doesn't have a church, but he certainly has a following.[/QUOTE]

Sign me up...
:D[/QUOTE]

I most certainly did not write what you have attributed to me. I only wish I could be so eloquent, defined, insightful, intelligent and spiritual to be able to present words like that.

:D

Mrs. LPW 07-08-2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 522260)
Um...he doesn't have a church, but he certainly has a following.

Sign me up...
:D[/QUOTE]

I most certainly did not write what you have attributed to me. I only wish I could be so eloquent, defined, insightful, intelligent and spiritual to be able to present words like that.

:D[/QUOTE]

The quotes are all messed up... :ursofunny
That original message was for RRFord... then you quoted me, and then I quoted you...

Sorry to burst your bubble Carp!
:tease

U376977 07-08-2008 07:05 PM

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I loved reading this. I have heard this preached many, many times. Never have I heard the Fig-Tree/Temple/Personal-Temple tied together.

OP_Carl 07-08-2008 08:04 PM

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Thanks, rrford, for clearing up the events regarding the fig tree. I have heard others say that when the fig tree spreads it branches (Israel becomes a nation once again) it will be only one generation (80 years) until the Lord returns (1948 + 80 = 2028)

Of course, if the fig tree represents Israel, and Jesus cursed the fig tree, such that it would wither and die, then Titus was send of God to flatten the place in 70 A.D., no?

The entire fig tree representation business has always confused me. That, and the Easter bunny. It's tough to work those out.

Thanks again! :thumbsup

Keep thinking and keep writing.

Sweet Pea 07-08-2008 09:12 PM

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RRford.......... - very sobering and thought-provoking!

Thank you for sharing from your heart..... please do so more often!

rrford 07-08-2008 10:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 522235)

Wow...
Did you right this Brother? Your church is blessed.

I did write this, but, Alas, I no longer pastor a church. This particular writing, will be edited and included in a book to be hopefully published in the next couple of months.

rrford 07-08-2008 10:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyk (Post 522255)
Excellent post! As said before, sobering question. After reading this I think I'll take a break from the "other" threads. Otherwise it's penetration will be lost! -(I'm only applying this rule to me, no other :))

Hmmm, Nacogdoches? Close to my home. God Bless East Texas.

rrford 07-08-2008 10:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 522350)
Thanks, rrford, for clearing up the events regarding the fig tree. I have heard others say that when the fig tree spreads it branches (Israel becomes a nation once again) it will be only one generation (80 years) until the Lord returns (1948 + 80 = 2028)

Of course, if the fig tree represents Israel, and Jesus cursed the fig tree, such that it would wither and die, then Titus was send of God to flatten the place in 70 A.D., no?

The entire fig tree representation business has always confused me. That, and the Easter bunny. It's tough to work those out.

Thanks again! :thumbsup

Keep thinking and keep writing.

Interesting take. Although I am not sure the fig tree that folks relate to Israel is the same one that I reference. Now, as for the Easter Bunny...

Scott Hutchinson 07-08-2008 10:59 PM

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This is a great piece of writing,much truth was stated.

U376977 07-08-2008 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 522350)
Thanks, rrford, for clearing up the events regarding the fig tree. I have heard others say that when the fig tree spreads it branches (Israel becomes a nation once again) it will be only one generation (80 years) until the Lord returns (1948 + 80 = 2028)

Of course, if the fig tree represents Israel, and Jesus cursed the fig tree, such that it would wither and die, then Titus was send of God to flatten the place in 70 A.D., no?

The entire fig tree representation business has always confused me. That, and the Easter bunny. It's tough to work those out.

Thanks again! :thumbsup

Keep thinking and keep writing.

When I was a child I used to hear that 1948 + a generation preached--back then the calculation was 40 years (based on the 40 years it took the generation to die in the wilderness before a new generation possessed the promised land) we were told Jesus would come back in 1988, and prior to that 7 years of tribulation so the rapture had to be in 1980, or 1983 if you were a mid-triber. Of course when that did not happen we were preached to that a generation was 80 years.

If I am still alive in 2028--I do not expect anything to happen in that year either.

rrford 07-08-2008 11:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by U376977 (Post 522493)
When I was a child I used to hear that 1948 + a generation preached--back then the calculation was 40 years (based on the 40 years it took the generation to die in the wilderness before a new generation possessed the promised land) we were told Jesus would come back in 1988, and prior to that 7 years of tribulation so the rapture had to be in 1980, or 1983 if you were a mid-triber. Of course when that did not happen we were preached to that a generation was 80 years.

If I am still alive in 2028--I do not expect anything to happen in that year either.

I heard the same things. I do think there is siginificance to Jesus using the fig tree and stating that such a generation would not pass away. But somewhere we have failed to rightly ascertain his true meaning. All I know is that I am watching and waiting and intend to be ready.

Cindy 07-09-2008 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522467)
Hmmm, Nacogdoches? Close to my home. God Bless East Texas.

Brother Ford, I have to get some ink for my printer so I can print out your original post. Have you ever been to New Life Church in Mineola?

rrford 07-09-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 522623)
Brother Ford, I have to get some ink for my printer so I can print out your original post. Have you ever been to New Life Church in Mineola?

Nope. But I do know your pastor.

Cindy 07-09-2008 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522723)
Nope. But I do know your pastor.

He's wonderful, hope you can come visit us sometime. :)
You are speaking of our new pastor right? And I am sure you know our beloved retired pastor.

Ron 07-09-2008 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 522496)
I heard the same things. I do think there is siginificance to Jesus using the fig tree and stating that such a generation would not pass away. But somewhere we have failed to rightly ascertain his true meaning. All I know is that I am watching and waiting and intend to be ready.

True, not only that, we need to be ready 24/7 because not only do we not know the day or the hour, but we also do not know the day or the hour of our death.

We are never very far from eternity.


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