The Dress Code Wars
 

Shorts sleeves, 3/4 sleeves ... or long sleeves.

Skirt ankle-high ... 1/2 to the knee ... or at the knee ...

We are not alone in our dress code wars ....

I understand there is a war brewing among Islam that will rival ours.

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Here is one article that discusses this battle ...

As we all agree, that there are tremendous controversies in the women dress code in Islam. Even two Islamic scholars do not agree in the same dress code for women. In the same Muslim Country, dresses worn by Muslim women are not the same at all. It varies even in the same family. Therefore, let us discuss this important subject with a view: (a) to determine exactly what type of veil (pardha) should be observed by Muslim women prescribed by Quran & Sunnah, (b) how to implement them and, (c) to determine if this Islamic dress code is, of course, feasible or not, for Twentieth or Twenty first Century’s modern/civilized working/business women ?

more here

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Only the bottom left will see the kingdom of heaven.

:)

Of course I'm being sarcastic... I don't really thing any "ultra-cons" are that silly!

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If the bottom left were wearing red they would look like the Emperors personal guard.

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In my opinion, dress codes are only applicable because men don't have to contend with most of the foolishness. They can wear whatever they want to as long as they aren't naked and the religious world, christian or not says nothing.

This entire dress code thing even in the apostolic faith is about control and opression. I adhere to covering my body and being comfortable. That is what matters. Forget all of the rules that aren't scripture. I can't speak for the Quaran because I don't read it, but the Bible doesn't say any of the things we opress people with as far as dress codes and standards are concerned.

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Oh I'm sure there are some apostolic men that believe such dress would be best for present day apostolic women as well.

I mean really...

Lord forbid that men should have to actually control their own lustful tendencies.

:club

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Eve started the oppression of women in my opinion. And it will not stop until Jesus returns.

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Adam should have been the man God called him to be, and none of us would be in this position. We Eve at of the forbidden fruit nothing happen, but when Adam at the trouble began.

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But if they were wearing red, they would be on the....



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HIGHWAY TO HELL!!!!

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Long sleeves (3/4 ok.) Dress.. well past the knee, when sitting. No slits.

Modesty matters. And I know modestly dressed people can be devils. But Godly people will always be modest.

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Is elbow-lust a big problem for men, requiring a 3/4 length sleeve?
I have heard that new Victoria's Secret catalog will be featuring the "Miracle Elbow" it comes free with the "Knee Thong"

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I can't bite into that, because I know better. If that statement was refering to 1st century definition of the word I would agree. However, I know your using a 21st centrury definition which changes the meaning dramaticly. When understanding the Bible, if your not also a student of the culture to which it is written then your understanding of the true meaning of what is written is also skewd.

Let me show you one example of 1st century culture throughout the Roman Empire which Paul wrote to. In every (or at least most) major city in the Roman empire, including Jeruselem, there was a gymnasium (which translated means nude exercise) these were major complexes comprising of several acres with the center area as large as a few football fields. It is my understanding that these started out as men only but progressed to coed somewhere around the first century. I haven't been able to get a firm date (within a hundred year time frame) when this happened so for the sake of argument we will assume that they are still men only for this discussion. As we all know, (or should if we remember our history at all) the the Olympics were also done in the nude, because to compete while dressed would be too combersome and problematic. This is the culture that Paul wrote to when he referenced running a race (unincumered, laying aside all that besets you and running the course) and bodily exercise being of some value. At no point did Paul, Peter, John or any other new testament writer condemn this first century custom in scripture. Because of this I can't beleive that modest in scripture means how much clothing you wear, but rather your actions and how you wear what clothing you do wear. Fast forward to the 21st century and the practices of the 1st century which are never condemned in scripture are said to be sin by those that try to force 21st understanding into a 1st century reality.

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Hello DanielR, Of course I disagree, with your modesty does not matter philosophy. And we probably won't get aywhere discussing it. Your Oneness Apostolic?

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I agree:aaa

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:friend

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God Bless Your Heart:snapout

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First off, that is not what I said. I was talking about the difference between how modest was defined in first century and how it is now defined in the 21st century.

But yes, I am very Oneness Apostolic, grounded in the Word of God with an understanding of the culture to which it is written. I never allowed myself to think that society has not changed over the years. Has American society remained the same of the last hundred year? Why then, should we assume that the 1st century Roman society is exactly the same as 21st century American society. The Scriptures were written for the benefit of all generations, but specifically to the people of the time period and culture of the people to which it was directly written. That said, yes I am OA, but I don't allow traditions to guide me, rather I let Scripture with a historical understanding of the times that the Scripture was written and the Holy Spirit guide my understanding.

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I know of thousands that strongly agree with what I've posted. We've obviously had very different leadership, and teachings. Thank you for the sweet "God bless you".

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DanielR. Do you have a Man of God (Pastor) in your life?

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Rhoni....

I Think the humore was lost on our dear brother

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i agree with you LR, men need to keep there eyes where they belong, women and men need to be modest, the dress code stuff is about control, not conformity, dt

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Is this line of questioning neccassary for a civilized discussion about historical cultural practices of the time that the Bible was written? How will these answers help us understand that the meaning for words have been changed and/or added to what was originally defined when those words were pened?

If you think I'm wrong, fine, do some research and prove me wrong. I'm always willing to learn more, I don't nor will I ever assume that I know it all. In the mean time why is it that you keep trying to change the subject? If you have no desire of US learning together and discussing it, that's fine as well. But questioning my personal faith and fellowship with other believers and/or godly leaders in my life is getting you nowhere.

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Well I'll tell you this much...

If I ever get to go see your family in AK and do some hunting and fishing there, I won't be "oppressed" into freezing my legs off!

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DanielR. Before I consider if someone is able to help me spiritually, I need to know they can follow a Man of God (Pastor). Having a Pastor, is just the basics of what being Apostolic is to me.

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I haven't had the oppertunity to meet my new pastor yet since my old pastor resigned and left the area. Being as I'm a truck driver by trade I'm not able to attend my home church on a regular basis. However, I do and have always kept in close contact with my past pastors while I was under them, as well as Minsters and other Men of God (having the title of pastor doesn't neccassarily mean that your a Man of God) In addition to this I have also been involved with a couple different parachurch ministries in an advisor roll (although I have had to step up to take a more leading roll to fill in for a need at the request of leadership of the org.) I have also had one pastor teach a "School of Prophets" class for those tha wanted to dig deeper into the things of God. I regret that I wasn't able to continue those classes longer do to me having to relocate. I had mentioned this class to my last pastor in hopes that he would start one up where I attend now, so now I will mention it to my new pastor when I get the oppertunity to meet him next weekend.

Although having a pastor is important, it does little to prove anything though. As I mentioned in the first post that made here on AFF, I came into Oneness truth searching for proves of the Trinity via personal Bible study while in a Trinitarian teaching church. I put alot more weight on personal Biblical research, than I do for the ability of a person to follow the leadership of a pastor. The reason why I do is because:

Acts 17:10-12 (King James Version)

10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

2 Timothy 2:14-16 (King James Version)

14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

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I'd be surprised if the "bottom left" could see anything at all.

And I disagree about the "ultra-cons." First of all, calling themselves "conservative" is strange when most of their teachings and practices are only about 70 years old - at the most. They are really introducing radical changes - that's something that is generally far to the left of even "Liberals."

Get out the family albums. Show me anyone with a "holiness" tradition in their family that goes back to before WW2. And by "holiness," I mean in the scary quote marks - uncut hair on women, no slacks on women, no facial hair on either sex and no jewelry of any kind.

Add to that the teaching that only "three steppers" are going to heaven.

Basically - can anyone show me a lineage that carries the UPC's current "traditional" message from pre-WW2 up through today? Maybe a couple people could find something - and I'd be interested in seeing it. But it would certainly be the minority viewpoint until about the time of the AMF split.