AFF apostolic or not?
 

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend

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And herein lies the problem with this thread........your definition is not necessarily God's definition, is it?

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then what is the definition?

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The forum rules define "apostolic" as it pertains to this environment.

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:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:evilglee

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Every person on here will interpret "apostolic" differently. To me, it means a church that is working as the apostles did - growing and planting other churches - reaching across the world to take the gospel. "Apostolic" in the bigger church world has nothing at all to do with Pentecostalism. Only in OP circles, does Apostolic mean Oneness Pentecostalism. We are talking about attending a conference the end of August on "Developing Structure for Apostolic Ministry" and it is nothing about what you would consider "apostolic".

Now, if you want a definition of Pentecostalism, I might be closer to you on that one.

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#1. Why do you get the honors of deciding what being Apostolic is?

#2. I believe that Apostles actually would have called themselves Christians. Or in the language of their time, followers of Christ.

#3. Quoting you from above "nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this," I would be interested in seeing the scripture text where the apostles taught this?

#4. Why do you only post when 1stCorinth2v4 is around?

No bad spirit, just honest points and questions. :friend

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shoudnt you preach and teach also like them and not just work like they did?

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Hello??? We do.:tease

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LOL!! God bless your heart, you say all that you have just said and then hope that no one gets the teenyist bit upset...this should be interesting.

Let me put my 2 cents in...

I, too, am Apostolic.

I refer to myself as Apostolic because I follow the Apostles' Doctrine.

I am not more Apostolic than the average bear, nor am I less Apostolic because I may not agree with the other bears in the cave.

But I am Apostolic.

I have a bulletin for you...*NEWSFLASH* You and I are not alone here.

There are people here who are just as Apostolic as we are. Our differences in view and principle don't separate us...or they shouldn't. They should serve to strengthen and unite us.

I am a so-called '3 stepper', however, that does not keep me from loving, fellowshipping with, and praying with and for those who do not agree with me. By the same token, our differences don't keep them from loving me.

Our common bond is the Word, the Blood, and the Name.

I am committed to letting Almighty God have His way...

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It is God that will judge dear one and GOD ALONE...
You remember God doeth not see like you or I do...He sees far beyond what our eyes can see...He weighs the spirits....scary isn´t it?

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#1. im sorry you tell me what it means.

#2. I was first told to call myself apolstolic from your dads church about 15 years ago.
#3. read the bible
#4. just by chance i guess.

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Brother, please show us the scriptures where the apostles taught against pants.
And also please show us the scripture where they taught against makeup.
Thanks.

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I believe the first believers were called: Christians...

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And they were called "the Church..."

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thanks Barb....

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Brother Hometown, My thought. There is a scripture that says standfast and hold the traditions which you have been taught. Some of the people on this forum have not obeyed that scripture and others just never were taught the same traditions. The second worse enemy of Jesus, is traditions. Just bloom where your planted, draw the lines where your Pastor defines them.. then every man to his battle station. Your more dangerous when your right. Attitude is everything.

And Bro., No. This forum is not Apostolic.

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HTG, your viewpoint is common and the questions you appear to be trying to ask are routine. There was a sort of mass exodus of about a half dozen long time posters who contributed a great deal of verbage to AFF this past year. Since then (and really, leading up to their departure) there were many remonstrations over what it means to be "Apostolic."

First of all, it would be helpful for your understanding if you disabused yourself of the notion that "Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want..."

I think most of us "on here" tremble to add any custom or tradition to the plain teachings of Scripture. Why don't you tremble as well?

Also, I would challenge your identification with the 1st Century apostles on this ground: You refuse to use the same Bible that they used. The New Testament almost exclusively quotes from the Septuagint. The only Bibles in general circulation today that follow this apostolic practice are the Roman Catholic Bibles like the Jerusalem Bible and the Rheims-Douay.

Since you want to be "apostolic" why don't you start with your Bible - get one that was used by the real Apostles.

And I have to honestly question your ability to discern good from evil. I watched Disney's The Lion King, for example, and saw nothing "evil" about it. I wonder how much "evil" would turn up with an intense scrutiny of your life?

The apostles taught nothing concerning "pants" on men or women. The apostles taught modesty with regard to jewelry - not the banning of sports watches and marriage bands. And with regard to "uncut hair"... your side has so far failed continually to make any sense out of the ambiguities of 1 Corinthians 11.

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Here ya go, special delivery. :D

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traditions of men WERE the enemy of Jesus indeed! He rebuked the Pharisees for their traditions.

When the bible says to hold fast or stand fastthe traditions you leave something out..

2Th 2:15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

He is talking about the traditions passed on by the Apostles. Tradition here simply means transmission or precept. Nobody here would argue we should reject the precepts of the Apostles

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You teach people to actually disobey that scripture every time you attempt to win a soul. How do you account for that? You tell everyone from Baptists to Buddhists to disregard the traditions that they were taught and to follow yours. Yet the traditions of yours that we quarrel about here are less than 100 years old.

We really should be holding up the Word of God here. Not the traditions of men (Colossians 2:8).

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It is quite comforting to know that we have someone here who is the authority on what is and what is not apostolic. We are privileged to have your wisdom grace these pages!

We are supposed to draw the lines where our pastor draws them? What if he draws them in a place other than where God draws them? Are we to follow that? Surely you are kidding! I think you are just trying to be funny, Timmy. I know you are not sirius.

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off the top of you head can you name 3 disney movies with the family together( mom, dad, and children) without one of the parents being bad killed or something of that nature.

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I'm not the expert on movies - so I might include something that is not a Disney product here... but your challenge is interesting.

But first... answer my challenge: Why don't you use an Apostolic Bible?

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1Co 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

this was paul's answer to you

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BTW forums are neutral. This forum was intended as a place for people who believe in Oneness, baptism in Jesus name and the Holy Ghost baptism with tongues...to have a place to post. We never stipulated that certain people can't come here

Hometowndude is allowed to be here just as Daniel Alicea is. We had more very conservative types but they all abandoned ship

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101 Dalmatians
Lady and the Tramp
The Little Mermaid

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right...so we should follow Paul. I don't think anyone would disagree with that

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1. i dont think you can even name one movie
2. what do you mean an apostolic bible?

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He was the "pastor" of this church so as long as a pastor is following christ we should also follow him. i dont think paul thought he was the only one that man was allowed to follow.

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I'll type more slowly so that you can understand me...

Your Bible's Old Testament is based upon the Jewish Masoretic text. The apostles who wrote the New Testament used the Septuagint almost exclusively in their OT quotes.

Why don't you use a Bible like the Rheims-Douay or the Jerusalem Bible which is translated from the Septuagint? That's what the apostles did. Yet you refuse to do so. Why?

How can you be "apostolic" if you've got a different Bible than the apostles?

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We are supposed to draw the lines where our pastor draws them? What if he draws them in a place other than where God draws them? Are we to follow that?

You are as funny as Timmy is! You can't be serious!

I have no problem following Paul, but if Paul drew the line outside of God's word, I would not follow him, plain and simple.

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Paul was an Apostle. He wrote the inspired word of God. He delivered to us the precepts of God. He was writting as an Apostle. He was not authoritzing pastors to act unilaterally on their own to come up with precepts NOT found in the word

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did God ever say anything that paul said? Paul puting lines as he was inspired by God. now if my pastor started preaching something and the princable was not in the word of God then yes i would leave if went against the word. im not saying to blindly follow a man.

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Sure, but everyone here would agree with you so it has to make us wonder why bring it up?

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Your right but I’m stating things that if are not directly in the word the principle behind it is in the bible

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The Sword In The Stone
The Jungle Book
The Aristocats
The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh
The Rescuers (did involve a kidnapped orphan but the mice had stable homes)
The Rescuers Down Under
Pocahontas
The Emperor's New Groove

Okay, I had to Google it. And in doing so I ended up with "evil" in front of my eyes.


There apparently really is a movie entitled:

I Killed My Lesbian Wife, Hung Her on a Meat Hook, and Now I Have a Three-Picture Deal at Disney

Though it's not a Disney movie. It's a short film made by Ben Affleck while he was in college.

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Give me the "principle" on "pants."

It's been hot around here. I want to wear a toga. A toga is really more modest than "pants," but let's face it - a toga looks like a dress.

My daughter wants to go horseback riding - I want her to wear "pants" for the sake of modesty. I grew up riding horses with "apostolic" girls and I can describe their underwear to you. I want my daughter to be modest. Give me a "Bible principle" that will help me out here.

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Many are far from the teachings of 12 Jewish men who followed a Hebrew Messiah...

Hometown guy...I can take history and prove the first church danced jewish dances...how long has it been since you danced a jewish dance? If we REALLY want to do all the first church did before it became contaminated with the other nations maybe we should dance?
I am not telling anyone to do that...do not quote and say I teach this I am just saying history says they danced jewish dances...