Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi
 

homosexuality is running out of control in our country, why is it, whats happening to out country. i know we are living in the end times, but everywhere ya go you will see these people around, you do not have to be rude to them as christians but we do not have to accept their sin either, it has even crept in our churches, and it is not even preached about anymore, what are we scared to preach the truth or is it gay bashing, :snapout

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I don't have an answer to this. Experts (both looking at it from a human standpoint and from a spiritual standpoint) can't agree among themselves.

In my opinion, homosexuality can be any or several of the following:
--part of our human/sinful nature from birth (not all are affected nor respond the same way)
--demonically inspired
--psychologically induced
--strongly promoted by the media and the secular educational system
--a learned behavior

Also, in my opinion, there is a difference between a person who is a homosexual and a person who is living the homosexual lifestyle.

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is it not demon posession? what does scripture tell us.?

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Oh please...get over it. This has been discussed out to whazoo.

Blessings, Rhoni

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God and sin cannot live in the same heart. They are sinners and need to be saved.

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than you must have the answer.. explain yourself.

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I believe someone can be a homosexual and not demon possessed. I also believe that some homosexuals are under the control of a demonic spirit.

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so they must be demon possessed if they are under the control of a demon--right?

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I would probably strongly disagree with that premise without further clarification. At face value you seem to be saying "some are born that way."

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Not necessarily. Some can be influenced by a spirit without actually having that spirit living inside of them. Take the majority of Christians. They're being influenced by the Spirit of God, but that doesn't mean they have the Spirit of God living in them.

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I don't doubt for a minute that some homosexuals are born that way.

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you do have apoint there, i do not beleive though that you are born that way,, i do beleive it could be a generational curse, or just a demon possessed spirit,:evilglee

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Then you must also believe some are born to be adulterers, child molesters and other types of perverts, correct?

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Where are you at ??? I'm in California & I have to admit
it is RAMPANT out here but when I go other parts of the
country not so much such as the south - maybe more hidden?
I don't know.

I read a report that the milk and dairy products have caused
a big increase in homosexuals

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we are in Indiana, bloomington where the kinsey institute is, of course the college out here to, it is like sanfransisco. i think i am going to stop drinking milk or eating ice cream,-- and it sure aint hidden out here, it is in the open as though they are hetrosexuals.

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I don't know about adulterers as a whole, but I have known some men who simply could not be faithful no matter how hard they try. I've heard that scientists have found a difference in the brain of homosexuals and those of heterosexuals. I think eventually they will find whatever it is that causes homosexuality. There may be a difference in the brains of people engaged in other types of deviant sexual behaviour.

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I don't believe it's that bad in Indiana. INd. Is still bible belt
God fearing Republican country.

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Indiana? I live close to Evansville. Prior to that I lived in the Terre Haute area. I was born in Gary. I always like it when I come across a fellow Hoosier. :)

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With the exception of national elections, Indiana is predominantly democratic.

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the difference is they could be mental or have a loose marble, i dont know, but it is a bad behavior,just like the child molesters.the problem is, these men or woman need to control themselves or be delivered, it is a spirit, no matter what

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I think it is both... concerning a learned behavior and a spiritual matter...

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I believe that the issue is complex. I believe that it may be psychological. Maybe the person never had an appropriate father or mother figure and they're looking for the love they never received. Maybe it's part of our flesh's fallen nature (biological). Maybe it's spiritual. I do believe demons plague gay people: depression, fear, insecurity, etc....all these things leading them down the path seeking more and more gratification and acceptance...in the end it brings death.

Pray for those who struggle with this. Pray pray pray.

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Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

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Also...I'm not so sure if it's "running rampant"...it's always been here. It's just more in the open now so it looks like it's breaking out everywhere. It was always there behind closed doors.

One thing about it being in the open...we can speak and minister to the need. If it's hidden, we can't shine light, prayer, love, and compassion upon the struggling sinner.

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That's only true if you believe God made us the way we are.

Man is a fallen creature. I believe sin has twisted us on every level: spiritual, psychological, and yes...even biological down to our very genetics. It's like any other genetic disorder...did God make people that way? No...God made man whole without sickness or genetic disorders. But man fell, now we are subject to death, sickness, and genetic disorders that cause our flesh to war against our spirits. That's why so many gays kill themselves....they don't want to be gay. Their spirits are at war with something in their flesh that they cannot control. They are captives, bound by sin, enslaved by their sinful flesh (biology).

Yes, I believe it may be biological or genetic...but no, I don't believe God made them that way. It's a symptom of the all pervading effects of sin on our nature, here for some...the biological nature.

I don't believe that all who call themselves "gay" chose it. I think for some it's their "flesh" (biology). And their only hope for total deliverance is a miraculous healing. Demanding they repent is only part of the problem. They need touched by the master, changed, made a new creature...all the way down to the DNA.

Death is biological, God didn't create men to die...but it is part of our physical nature because of sin in our members, it is a biological effect of sin on the whole race. There is no good thing in this flesh.

We demand they change themselves....they need a healer. A deliverer...someone who came to set the captive FREE. They need to repent of sin committed and pay for healing. And we need to surround them praying for that miraculous touch. Then and only then will they be really free.

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Brother, I hear what you're saying. However, I believe science is eventually going to find whatever it is that causes homosexuality. Once that happens, Christians are going to be hard pressed to continue with the current line of thinking that it's just a choice someone makes. I believe for some homosexuals it can indeed be a choice they've made. There are others, however, who don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. There has to be some other reason than it's a choice they make. There are plenty of deviant behaviours people can be born with, other than homosexuality. Some believe that some murderers are pre-disposed to being killers because something in their brains doesn't function in the same way a normal brain functions. None of this changes the fact that murder is sin, or that homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God. They're simple products of the Fall of man.

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Aquila, I agree with this line of reasoning. It makes perfect sense. It explains why certain diseases are genetic too. Does God create someone to be a diabetic, or have heart problems, or end up with breast cancer? I don't think so, but sin has infected man to his very core, even his DNA.

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I will bow out of this converstaion with this post:

Very few things in scripture are listed as an abomination. While the sinful nature is inherent in us, with all of the resultant behaviours and effects, not one of those rises to the level of an abomination. Surely we understand a difference between what would call the normal results of a sinful nature and the abherrent results of giving oneself over to sin? The one comes without choice; the second is totally predicated upon choice.

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Why bow out? It's just getting started. See how ya are?!?!?! Hmph! :D

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well i do beleive that it is hard to think that it is genetic, it sounds as though it could be a chemical imbalance to. but i think some people are gay because they were either molested or raped and they cannot trust the opposite sex, but i see alot of woman who turn gay because they were molested and they do not trust men at all, they become scared of them, but yet they dress like men, and the men who are molested when they were younger become addicted to that type of lifestyle-----why? i do not know it is strange

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I believe that man (and woman) are born with the propensity to sin. Some give themselves to it more fully than others. But I also believe that our lives and the surrounding circumstances within our lives do shape us. Someone that has been sexually abused has a higher risk of abusing someone else. Thus we are often a product of our surroundings.


I also believe that some literally have a demonic spirit that causes them to entertain perversion and homosexuality. I know one particular case where a man who was a homosexual talked so high his voice resembled Micky Mouses voice. It was unnatural. A pastor and myself prayed with him at an alter, but he was unwilling to let the spirit go. You could almost see the spirit coming up in him, and then he would swallow it back down. I have never encountered something quite like this in my life. It was strange.

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Some don't see how deeply the principle of "sin" has twisted mankind from God's original design. When a gay person says,

"I was born this way! Ever since I was a child I felt this way. I can't help it."

They are really saying,

"I was born a sinner. Ever since I was a child I was a sinner. I can't help it."

There is no good thing in this twisted, rotten, stinking, evil flesh. Down to it's very DNA it's corrupt. Desperately wicked...that's why it must DIE. It's evil. The spirit inside is captive to it. And only the POWER of God can strengthen and save the spirit. Only the POWER of God can change a man or a woman...all the way down to their DNA.

When a gay person says, "I was born this way."

We need to say, "Amen, all men were born with sin friend. But Jesus can save your soul and set you free...but it's up to you to decide if you want to give Jesus a try. You may have been born this way...but he can heal you. After all, he loved you enough to die for you, even though you were born this way."

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I know what it is. RRFord is feeling that tug. He can feel the AFF suction power drawing him back into posting with us and he must resist it with all his might. The Borg is calling. :D

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I can agree to some degree. While a gay person may be born a sinner, with homosexual tendencies...they choose to act on those tendencies. We're born with our hormones and pheromones responding to the opposite gender...and we still have a choice to fornicate or not.

When a homosexual says they always had that inclination they're saying that they have never felt the same depth of physical attraction toward the opposite gender. They had always responded hormonally and physically toward the same gender. They say they were born that way. Well...we're all born with sinful inclinations tied up in the very DNA of this rotten, sinful, fallen flesh. They can be healed.

But if they've acted on those inclinations...they need to repent of the act.

Repentance will bring forgiveness for the acts performed...healing will deliver from the uncontrollable inclinations of their flesh. It's going to take a two fold deliverance.

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I know, I've seen it too. Sometimes it's psychological. Many people can trace it to a moment of abuse...others have always struggled with it. That leads me to believe it can be the result of emotional trauma...or biological. Just like other mental illnesses and pesonality disorders. Sometimes people can go through a traumatic experience and their personality fragments into multiple personalities. Others struggle with a chemical imbalance that makes them shift between personalities given their "episode". We're very complex creatures, fearfully and wonderfully made....but sin has put virus in the program.

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i beleive that the reason why the spirit did not come out is because he did not want to give up that lifestyle, otherwise he could have been delivered

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very well said, i agree

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lol

I think some just listen to the talking points of the far Right. Those on the far right have nearly made it dogma that it's purely a choice. But as science discovers more and more how the homosexual brain chemistry reacts to pheromone and hormonal stimuli they are learning that in blind tests when exposed to same gender hormone, the brain becomes sexually awakened. Even if the gay person doesn't know if they are smelling male or female sweat.

On a scientific level it's fascinating. On a theological level it goes to show just how twisted this flesh is from the creator's original intention.

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i do agree, i beleive it is a choice and to there choices there is always concequences to your actions and actions can lead to death, no matter what sin it is,

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if this is true this is unbelievable, and absouletly weird, the brain becomes sexually awakened, it kinda makes since