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Nahum 07-13-2008 11:37 PM

Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Human dignity refers to a state of righteousness, integrity, or virtue in human beings. The term dignity is defined as "the state of being worthy of honour or respect."

Do you believe in the concept of human dignity?

Sister Alvear 07-13-2008 11:41 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
some people are worthy of double honor...

RevDWW 07-13-2008 11:42 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528410)
Human dignity refers to a state of righteousness, integrity, or virtue in human beings. The term dignity is defined as "the state of being worthy of honour or respect."

Do you believe in the concept of human dignity?

Sure.

Respectfully,
RevDWW

Nahum 07-13-2008 11:44 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Well, the reason I ask is because of some of the posts I have viewed of late that seem to indicate that there are certain individuals and groups who are not worthy of basic human dignity.

RevDWW 07-13-2008 11:46 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528418)
Well, the reason I ask is because of some of the posts I have viewed of late that seem to indicate that there are certain individuals and groups who are not worthy of basic human dignity.

Come on, name names, quote post, gives us the evidence of your inhumanity.

Nahum 07-13-2008 11:48 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
The homosexual thread.

The ongoing con vs. lib dispute.

Need I go on?

It amazes me that some posters have more love for their keyboard, pets and ideology than they do their fellow man.

Sister Alvear 07-13-2008 11:49 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
I try to be respectful...even though I might not agree...

RevDWW 07-13-2008 11:55 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528422)
The homosexual thread.

The ongoing con vs. lib dispute.

Need I go on?

It amazes me that some posters have more love for their keyboard, pets and ideology than they do their fellow man.

All to often folks hate sinners instead of hating the sin. And many are "Christians" in name only, cause no one could tell they are Jesus' disciples by the love the show.

rrford 07-13-2008 11:56 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528422)
The homosexual thread.

The ongoing con vs. lib dispute.

Need I go on?

It amazes me that some posters have more love for their keyboard, pets and ideology than they do their fellow man.

I bowed out of that thread. :whistle

RandyWayne 07-14-2008 12:00 AM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 528412)
some people are worthy of double honor...

Especially the ones who claim they are do it! LOL

Nahum 07-14-2008 12:04 AM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
I'm not trying to be judgemental, though some will see it as such.

I am just amazed at the lengths we will go to in an endeavor to cruelly crush others with our words.

We fail to realize we are all victims of the human condition; All flawed, all failures, all miserable wretches. We are in this together.

I have lived long enough to realize every person on this earth has some sort of sin disease to conquer. What good does it do me to build walls of disrespect, hatred and judgement between me and those whose sins I am revolted by?

Hoovie 07-14-2008 12:29 AM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528430)
I'm not trying to be judgemental, though some will see it as such.

I am just amazed at the lengths we will go to in an endeavor to cruelly crush others with our words.

We fail to realize we are all victims of the human condition; All flawed, all failures, all miserable wretches. We are in this together.

I have lived long enough to realize every person on this earth has some sort of sin disease to conquer. What good does it do me to build walls of disrespect, hatred and judgement between me and those whose sins I am revolted by?

PP, I agree with you.

If my any of my posts don't reflect that I am truely sorry.

I am aware that I carry joking a bit too far at times...

BrotherEastman 07-14-2008 07:00 AM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528430)
I'm not trying to be judgemental, though some will see it as such.

I am just amazed at the lengths we will go to in an endeavor to cruelly crush others with our words.

We fail to realize we are all victims of the human condition; All flawed, all failures, all miserable wretches. We are in this together.

I have lived long enough to realize every person on this earth has some sort of sin disease to conquer. What good does it do me to build walls of disrespect, hatred and judgement between me and those whose sins I am revolted by?

PP, I honour you sir. I almost called you yesturday because of the blasts you seem to be getting from posters. I was gonna let you know I appreciate your posts even if you are a moderate. LOL!:friend

BrotherEastman 07-14-2008 07:01 AM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528430)
I'm not trying to be judgemental, though some will see it as such.

I am just amazed at the lengths we will go to in an endeavor to cruelly crush others with our words.

We fail to realize we are all victims of the human condition; All flawed, all failures, all miserable wretches. We are in this together.

I have lived long enough to realize every person on this earth has some sort of sin disease to conquer. What good does it do me to build walls of disrespect, hatred and judgement between me and those whose sins I am revolted by?

Yer a good man even if you have those flaws. :O)

Nahum 07-16-2008 01:16 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528410)
Human dignity refers to a state of righteousness, integrity, or virtue in human beings. The term dignity is defined as "the state of being worthy of honour or respect."

Do you believe in the concept of human dignity?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528418)
Well, the reason I ask is because of some of the posts I have viewed of late that seem to indicate that there are certain individuals and groups who are not worthy of basic human dignity.

We have humane societies for animals, and yet we kill unborn babies?

Murder murderers?

Torture terrorists?

Baron1710 07-16-2008 01:22 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531801)
We have humane societies for animals, and yet we kill unborn babies?

Murder murderers?

Torture terrorists?

Do you believe all killing is murder?

Ferd 07-16-2008 01:25 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Sorry. I prefer the MLK approach.

you earn it, I will give it.

OnTheFritz 07-16-2008 01:52 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 531809)
Sorry. I prefer the MLK approach.

you earn it, I will give it.

Hey, that sounds like something out of the 3-steppers playbook :ursofunny

Nahum 07-16-2008 01:53 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531807)
Do you believe all killing is murder?

I'm not sure.

I don't believe self-defense is wrong, if that's what your asking.

But I am 100% against abortion - and the death penalty.

Ferd 07-16-2008 01:58 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by DerrickS (Post 531878)
Hey, that sounds like something out of the 3-steppers playbook :ursofunny

well, I am an unabashed believer in the water spirit doctrine.

Ferd 07-16-2008 01:59 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531883)
I'm not sure.

I don't believe self-defense is wrong, if that's what your asking.

But I am 100% against abortion - and the death penalty.

I am 100% for protecting innocent life. sometimes that means executing someone who is both guilty of murder, and a danger to repeat the offense.

babies however are innocent beings.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:00 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 531900)
I am 100% for protecting innocent life. sometimes that means executing someone who is both guilty of murder, and a danger to repeat the offense.

babies however are innocent beings.

So many times we convict and execute wrongfully.

In that case, we become murderers ourselves.

Ferd 07-16-2008 02:01 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
I am going to admit a personal failure here. And I am being serious.

I dont suffer fools very well. If an individual proves to be a bonehead, I am likely to oblige them by reacting in a manner they understand.

it clearly is a short coming on my part. I have yet to find a way to improve myself.

Ferd 07-16-2008 02:03 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531902)
So many times we convict and execute wrongfully.

In that case, we become murderers ourselves.

I am for laws that limit the ability to inact the death penalty to cases where solid and obvious evidence exists.

that does not mean I am for allowing a killer to continue to have oppurtunity to kill again.

Baron1710 07-16-2008 02:08 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531883)
I'm not sure.

I don't believe self-defense is wrong, if that's what your asking.

But I am 100% against abortion - and the death penalty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531902)
So many times we convict and execute wrongfully.

In that case, we become murderers ourselves.

I guess my next question is who is we, and how do you define murder?

OnTheFritz 07-16-2008 02:15 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 531899)
well, I am an unabashed believer in the water spirit doctrine.

Yeah, I know. Just being funny.

I believe our duty to treat people with basic human dignity shouldn't depend on how they treat me. I can't say that I always adhere to that, but it's the ideal.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:24 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531917)
I guess my next question is who is we, and how do you define murder?

Killing the innocent.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:24 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by DerrickS (Post 531923)
Yeah, I know. Just being funny.

I believe our duty to treat people with basic human dignity shouldn't depend on how they treat me. I can't say that I always adhere to that, but it's the ideal.

I agree.

Isn't that called the Golden Rule?

Ferd 07-16-2008 02:25 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DerrickS (Post 531923)
Yeah, I know. Just being funny.

I believe our duty to treat people with basic human dignity shouldn't depend on how they treat me. I can't say that I always adhere to that, but it's the ideal.

Like I said, I have a weakness.

Baron1710 07-16-2008 02:28 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531938)
Killing the innocent.

Didn't God command the killing of innocent people at times? I think to be murder it has to be more than just the killing of the innocent.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:29 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531945)
Didn't God command the killing of innocent people at times? I think to be murder it has to be more than just the killing of the innocent.

No, he didn't.

Entire nations were judged, and executed accordingly.

However, that in no wise fits in with New Testament Christianity.

Baron1710 07-16-2008 02:38 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531947)
No, he didn't.

Entire nations were judged, and executed accordingly.

However, that in no wise fits in with New Testament Christianity.

So God gives a hypothetical where a man accidently drops a stone and kills someone else. The man who dropped the stone is innocent yet...

[if] the avenger of blood finds him outside the city, the avenger of blood may kill the accused without being guilty of murder.

Is this not similar to our justice system where it is possible that mistakes can be made? Though not nearly the number that some claim.

Ferd 07-16-2008 02:40 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531968)
So God gives a hypothetical where a man accidently drops a stone and kills someone else. The man who dropped the stone is innocent yet...

[if] the avenger of blood finds him outside the city, the avenger of blood may kill the accused without being guilty of murder.

Is this not similar to our justice system where it is possible that mistakes can be made? Though not nearly the number that some claim.

I tend to get uncomfortable when folk start trying to apply OT law without NT principle.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:40 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531968)
So God gives a hypothetical where a man accidently drops a stone and kills someone else. The man who dropped the stone is innocent yet...

[if] the avenger of blood finds him outside the city, the avenger of blood may kill the accused without being guilty of murder.

Is this not similar to our justice system where it is possible that mistakes can be made? Though not nearly the number that some claim.

Are you honestly advocating OT law?

Eye for an eye?

Wow!

Mrs. LPW 07-16-2008 02:41 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 528410)
Human dignity refers to a state of righteousness, integrity, or virtue in human beings. The term dignity is defined as "the state of being worthy of honour or respect."

Do you believe in the concept of human dignity?

Yes most definitely.

I do have a question though.

Do you think it isn't showing human dignity to wish Rosie O wouldn't have came to SJ (one hours drive from my house) with a whole pile of gay and lesbian couples and some of them were married while they were here?

Because I wish she'd have stayed away.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:43 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 531977)
Yes most definitely.

I do have a question though.

Do you think it isn't showing human dignity to wish Rosie O wouldn't have came to SJ (one hours drive from my house) with a whole pile of gay and lesbian couples and some of them were married while they were here?

Because I wish she'd have stayed away.

Treating people with dignity and respect does not mean we must agree with their belief system or lifestyle.

Mrs. LPW 07-16-2008 02:44 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531981)
Treating people with dignity and respect does not mean we must agree with their belief system or lifestyle.

I wasn't sure if I was on your mind when you asked your question... so I wanted to make sure! :D
I didn't think I was, since Mrs. LPW is perfect.
We all know that.

Baron1710 07-16-2008 02:45 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 531971)
I tend to get uncomfortable when folk start trying to apply OT law without NT principle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 531973)
Are you honestly advocating OT law?

Eye for an eye?

Wow!

I'm not applying OT law. I am demonstrating that under the law a person could be righteous and yet kill the innocent. And this passage in Numbers is how we define murder in Western Civilization

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:46 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 531985)
I wasn't sure if I was on your mind when you asked your question... so I wanted to make sure! :D
I didn't think I was, since Mrs. LPW is perfect.
We all know that.

lol

No, an example of a lack of human dignity would be to call them a bunch of lewd names that we Pentecostals seem to think are perfectly okay to say because we are sometimes very self-righteous.

Nahum 07-16-2008 02:47 PM

Re: Do You Believe in Human Dignity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531992)
I'm not applying OT law. I am demonstrating that under the law a person could be righteous and yet kill the innocent. And this passage in Numbers is how we define murder in Western Civilization

I do not believe OT law, apart from NT interpretation, should be our guide.


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