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Rico 07-14-2008 11:31 AM

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Do y'all know of any legitimate Apostolic colleges? You know, the kind that are actually accredited, with degrees that are accepted by employers? I found one college that offers a degree for $200!! What kinda bogus education is that? Is that the best we can come up with for higher education?

Timmy 07-14-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528626)
Do y'all know of any legitimate Apostolic colleges? You know, the kind that are actually accredited, with degrees that are accepted by employers? I found one college that offers a degree for $200!! What kinda bogus education is that? Is that the best we can come up with for higher education?

Yeah! They shouldn't charge anything!

Pragmatist 07-14-2008 11:49 AM

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Does anyone know if Great Lakes University is accredited now? I think it's been four years since they started.

1Corinth2v4 07-14-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528626)
Do y'all know of any legitimate Apostolic colleges? You know, the kind that are actually accredited, with degrees that are accepted by employers? I found one college that offers a degree for $200!! What kinda bogus education is that? Is that the best we can come up with for higher education?

$200.00 would be a blessing after you've spent nearly $100K

DividedThigh 07-14-2008 12:26 PM

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especially if you got rooked on the 100k, lol

Rico 07-14-2008 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 528705)
$200.00 would be a blessing after you've spent nearly $100K

I can not fathom getting a decent education for $200. It doesn't make any sense. In my opinion, any college that offers a degree for that kind of money is nothing more than a diploma mill.

stmatthew 07-14-2008 12:56 PM

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I taught my kids that if they wanted to go to bible college, they should go to a secular college first and get at the least an Associates degree in a usable field, and then go on to bible college. With all the options for distant learning degree's, I wouldn't recommend anyone go to bible college first. You can always do your bible learning via distant learning after you finish secular college and get settled into a job.

But that is just my opinion.

tamor 07-14-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 528770)
I taught my kids that if they wanted to go to bible college, they should go to a secular college first and get at the least an Associates degree in a usable field, and then go on to bible college. With all the options for distant learning degree's, I wouldn't recommend anyone go to bible college first. You can always do your bible learning via distant learning after you finish secular college and get settled into a job.

But that is just my opinion.


Same here, Matt. My daughter wanted to go one in Texas that is not accredited. We decided on Lee University in Cleveland, TN. If she wants to go later, she can still do it. I just want her to have that degree first.

LUKE2447 07-14-2008 01:00 PM

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Go to a secular college first get a degree then go to Bible college. It is the best way financially and the future.

Rico 07-14-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 528770)
I taught my kids that if they wanted to go to bible college, they should go to a secular college first and get at the least an Associates degree in a usable field, and then go on to bible college. With all the options for distant learning degree's, I wouldn't recommend anyone go to bible college first. You can always do your bible learning via distant learning after you finish secular college and get settled into a job.

But that is just my opinion.

I agree.

Michael The Disciple 07-14-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528726)
I can not fathom getting a decent education for $200. It doesn't make any sense. In my opinion, any college that offers a degree for that kind of money is nothing more than a diploma mill.

What happened to learning the Bible from the Elders of the Church? Are Elders not teaching the whole counsel of God? If they are NOT how did they become an Elder?

Sister Alvear 07-14-2008 01:08 PM

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Nothing in your head has to affect that is in your heart...I encourage our youth to get an education...

commonsense 07-14-2008 01:16 PM

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When most Bible schools started it was for the ministry and no one considered secular jobs.
In today's world I'd say get a real degree.
Or make special arrangements.
A medical student attended when I was at ABI. He took a one yr break from his "real" degree and came to ABI. He was permitted to take classes from all 3 yrs programs as was deemed most beneficial.
This is no doubt what they should offer to others..................

StillStanding 07-14-2008 01:17 PM

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I saw the title of this thread and thought it would be empty! :D

Rico 07-14-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 528790)
What happened to learning the Bible from the Elders of the Church? Are Elders not teaching the whole counsel of God? If they are NOT how did they become an Elder?

There's nothing wrong with that route. There's nothing wrong with wanting to go to some sort of college either. Wasn't Daniel (the one in the Bible) part of some school for prophets or something of that nature?

Michael The Disciple 07-14-2008 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528909)
There's nothing wrong with that route. There's nothing wrong with wanting to go to some sort of college either. Wasn't Daniel (the one in the Bible) part of some school for prophets or something of that nature?

There was a school of the Prophets in the OT. That is seen in the NT in the ministry of Yeshua teaching the Apostles. Then it is seen in the Elders teaching the Church. It is NEVER seen as people coming and paying a set sum to be taught the word of God.

No one went that route in the New Testament Church.

Rico 07-14-2008 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 528947)
There was a school of the Prophets in the OT. That is seen in the NT in the ministry of Yeshua teaching the Apostles. Then it is seen in the Elders teaching the Church. It is NEVER seen as people coming and paying a set sum to be taught the word of God.

No one went that route in the New Testament Church.

I am not saying this to be rude, MTD, but so what? If someone wants to go to Bible School, and can actually find an accredited one among the apostolics, what does it matter to you that they didn't do it that way in the NT? There's nothing wrong with someone wanting to get a religious education apart from what they learn at church. What's sad is that apostolics really don't have many, if any, good choices.

Pro31:28 07-14-2008 02:29 PM

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I attend Regent University online (starting my Junior year in August)and I am very happy with My education. If we lived closer I would be happy to attend on campus, but I really don't feel like I am missing anything by learning at home. I am pursuing a Bachelors in Communication with a Minor in Governent, but as part of my general studies, I have had to take 4 courses in what are termed "religious studies",
New Testament Survey,
Mission and Message of Jesus,
Worldviews,
Contemporary problems for Christian Leaders
(also my logic and critical thinking class, as well as science we very Bible based)

All of the courses I take come from a biblical worldview and other then one professor who had a little different opinion on "The Kingdom", I have not had to skew my views in order to attend. They would not be apostolic, but they are very 'oneness, and Pentecostal Friendly'... That is if you can get over the fact that there is a television studio on campus, as well as a large theater... :)
Well, and there is also the fact that they teach... <GASP> Law Students!
If anyone is interested, send me a PM and let me know!

Rico 07-14-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro31:28 (Post 529078)
I attend Regent University online (starting my Junior year in August)and I am very happy with My education. If we lived closer I would be happy to attend on campus, but I really don't feel like I am missing anything by learning at home. I am pursuing a Bachelors in Communication with a Minor in Governent, but as part of my general studies, I have had to take 4 courses in what are termed "religious studies",
New Testament Survey,
Mission and Message of Jesus,
Worldviews,
Contemporary problems for Christian Leaders
(also my logic and critical thinking class, as well as science we very Bible based)

All of the courses I take come from a biblical worldview and other then one professor who had a little different opinion on "The Kingdom", I have not had to skew my views in order to attend. They would not be apostolic, but they are very 'oneness, and Pentecostal Friendly'... That is if you can get over the fact that there is a television studio on campus, as well as a large theater... :)
Well, and there is also the fact that they teach... <GASP> Law Students!
If anyone is interested, send me a PM and let me know!

I don't know anything about that college. Is it an apostolic one?

Pro31:28 07-14-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 529096)
I don't know anything about that college. Is it an apostolic one?

No, but they do have penteostal leanings, and a couple of the professors are oneness.

Pro31:28 07-14-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 529096)
I don't know anything about that college. Is it an apostolic one?

www.regent.edu

Rico 07-14-2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro31:28 (Post 529102)
No, but they do have penteostal leanings, and a couple of the professors are oneness.

Ok. So there is at least some oneness/pentecostal influence there. Cool. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

dizzyde 07-14-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 528770)
I taught my kids that if they wanted to go to bible college, they should go to a secular college first and get at the least an Associates degree in a usable field, and then go on to bible college. With all the options for distant learning degree's, I wouldn't recommend anyone go to bible college first. You can always do your bible learning via distant learning after you finish secular college and get settled into a job.

But that is just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by tamor (Post 528784)
Same here, Matt. My daughter wanted to go one in Texas that is not accredited. We decided on Lee University in Cleveland, TN. If she wants to go later, she can still do it. I just want her to have that degree first.

This exactly what I told my daughter, not that she wanted to go to Bible College, she had other academic goals. But I told her that if she wanted to go, it was better to do it after she finished her "real" degree.

Pastor Keith 07-14-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528626)
Do y'all know of any legitimate Apostolic colleges? You know, the kind that are actually accredited, with degrees that are accepted by employers? I found one college that offers a degree for $200!! What kinda bogus education is that? Is that the best we can come up with for higher education?


My understanding is that Gateway is or will be soon accredited.

Michael The Disciple 07-14-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528974)
I am not saying this to be rude, MTD, but so what? If someone wants to go to Bible School, and can actually find an accredited one among the apostolics, what does it matter to you that they didn't do it that way in the NT? There's nothing wrong with someone wanting to get a religious education apart from what they learn at church. What's sad is that apostolics really don't have many, if any, good choices.

The answer concerning so what is simple. Its not in the New Testamant. Its like saying "of course Christmas is not in the Bible but so what". And the thing that is SO WRONG is that they CANNOT be taught by the local Church. They are loaded down with the same errors as the Bible Colleges.

At least you are right about that.

Rico 07-14-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 529303)
The answer concerning so what is simple. Its not in the New Testamant. Its like saying "of course Christmas is not in the Bible but so what". And the thing that is SO WRONG is that they CANNOT be taught by the local Church. They are loaded down with the same errors as the Bible Colleges.

At least you are right about that.

This is amazing. You want to come on here and slam people for getting an education at a Bible college? Sorry, Bro., but it just doesn't compute. There's no sin in going to Bible college. In fact, more people should go to Bible college. It's a shame us apostolics don't have any legitimate Bible colleges, but my guess is that is something that will eventually change. Even without formal accreditation, I don't see the harm in someone getting an education from a Bible college as long as they're not expecting their degree to buy them a job and as long as it's not from one of these $200 diploma mills.

OnTheFritz 07-14-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 528839)
I saw the title of this thread and thought it would be empty! :D

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

Michael The Disciple 07-14-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 529321)
This is amazing. You want to come on here and slam people for getting an education at a Bible college? Sorry, Bro., but it just doesn't compute. There's no sin in going to Bible college. In fact, more people should go to Bible college. It's a shame us apostolics don't have any legitimate Bible colleges, but my guess is that is something that will eventually change. Even without formal accreditation, I don't see the harm in someone getting an education from a Bible college as long as they're not expecting their degree to buy them a job and as long as it's not from one of these $200 diploma mills.

Is this not an admission that the whole counsel of God is not being taught in the local Churches? If it WERE there would be no need for young people to uproot and pay men somewhere else to teach them the truth.

Maybe we talking apples and oranges. When I speak against Bible College my definition is this:

A place where interested Students go to learn more Bible truth. They pay the Teachers and for all their materials and of course their living quarters. They are not there to learn how to be a Doctor or a Lawyer.

If one is working his education to prepare for a secular type job there are other places they can go and learn. Or are you talking about a College where they teach secular subjects and have some Bible classes here and there?

As far as "slamming" anyone that was not my intent. My intent is to show there is no basis for a Bible College in the Bible. The concept of it is not ordained by Jesus Christ. So if I am slamming anyone it is those Teachers and Admins who operate something so far off. Not the young people who dont know a better way.

And especially I am sounding out the message that every Pastor/Elder should be capable of teaching the whole counsel of God. If they cannot they should not be in Eldership.

Jermyn Davidson 07-14-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 528626)
Do y'all know of any legitimate Apostolic colleges? You know, the kind that are actually accredited, with degrees that are accepted by employers? I found one college that offers a degree for $200!! What kinda bogus education is that? Is that the best we can come up with for higher education?


You can get a legitimate degree if you attend Gateway. They have a program where you can take classes simultaneously with another neighboring school that is accredited. I think it is Patterson Univ or Patten or something with a "P".

Jermyn Davidson 07-14-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro31:28 (Post 529102)
No, but they do have penteostal leanings, and a couple of the professors are oneness.

Regent is connected to Pat Robertson, like Liberty is to the late Jerry Falwell.

Pro31:28 07-14-2008 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 529096)
I don't know anything about that college. Is it an apostolic one?

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Regent is connected to Pat Robertson, like Liberty is to the late Jerry Falwell.

Yeah, he founded it, but he doesnt have much to do with the day to day runnings. I can't say that he has ever been mentioned in class. I did hear him speak at a graduation ceremony, though... He is a little off his rocker, but his vision has brought about a great work... I don't follow CBN, but he hires good teachers!

Rico 07-14-2008 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 529460)
Is this not an admission that the whole counsel of God is not being taught in the local Churches? If it WERE there would be no need for young people to uproot and pay men somewhere else to teach them the truth.

Maybe we talking apples and oranges. When I speak against Bible College my definition is this:

A place where interested Students go to learn more Bible truth. They pay the Teachers and for all their materials and of course their living quarters. They are not there to learn how to be a Doctor or a Lawyer.

If one is working his education to prepare for a secular type job there are other places they can go and learn. Or are you talking about a College where they teach secular subjects and have some Bible classes here and there?

MTD, I'm sorry, Bro., but the purpose of the Church is not be a college. I don't know where you got that idea either. Sunday school, Wednesday night Bible study, and all the preaching in the world will still not be the same as going to a college specifically for the study of the Bible. There are simply too many details involved to expect that kind of in-depth learning to take place during regular church activities. Should people be learning from what's taught at their churches? Most definitely. Does that mean churches are supposed to be set up like colleges? Of course not.

Also, Bible college doesn't just teach one about the Bible. Bible courses are mixed in with the other subjects being taught. At least I would think it's this way. Even in secular colleges you have to take English classes, things like advanced mathematics, and suchlike. This is assuming, of course, you aren't getting your degree from one of these degree mills.

Rhoni 07-14-2008 06:48 PM

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Indiana Wesleyan University accepted my JCM Bible Courses. There program requires Biblical foundation as well as secular teachings. I learned a lot from my professors who were: Wesleyan, Calvanist, and Quaker. One of my professors taught in the English school in Korea and taught the Bernard children while they were on the mission field in Korea. Talk about a small world.

All young people should get a secular education so they can work their way through Bible College.

Very few employers, or even colleges, care about education received at a non-accreditted Bible College.

Jermyn Davidson 07-14-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 529460)
Is this not an admission that the whole counsel of God is not being taught in the local Churches? If it WERE there would be no need for young people to uproot and pay men somewhere else to teach them the truth.


Secularly, I think Bible Colleges are ALMOST useless if not accredited.

Spiritually, God can use a Bible College to work out His Will in someone's life, but he can do the same without one going to Bible College.

Alas, when I think of Bible College, I think of it as a place where young folks go to get spouses because there aren't any suitable ones in their local congregations.

Rico 07-14-2008 06:49 PM

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MTD, check this site out.


http://gatewaycollege.net/

Pro31:28 07-14-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 529476)
Secularly, I think Bible Colleges are ALMOST useless if not accredited.

Spiritually, God can use a Bible College to work out His Will in someone's life, but he can do the same without one going to Bible College.

Alas, when I think of Bible College, I think of it as a place where young folks go to get spouses because there aren't any suitable ones in their local congregations.

I didnt go for that purpose... But alas that's where I found my Hunk o' Hunk o' Burnin' love! (wow, almost 16 years ago...) :dance

Rico 07-14-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro31:28 (Post 529480)
I didnt go for that purpose... But alas that's where I found my Hunk o' Hunk o' Burnin' love! (wow, almost 16 years ago...) :dance

U found Elvis at a Bible college?!?!?!?! :D

Rhoni 07-14-2008 06:53 PM

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Gloria Gaither spoke at my graduation ceremony when I was awarded a Master of Arts in Christian Marriage & Family Counseling. She did an awesome job of describing Jesus as being Alpha, the God of beginnings, and Omega, the God of endings. One thing that stands out in my mind that I have come to know and understand: Many times what would appear to be a beginning has been and ending, and what I thought was an ending was truly a beginning.

Pro31:28 07-14-2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 529481)
U found Elvis at a Bible college?!?!?!?! :D


Ummmm no! Mine is WAY better lookin'!

Scott Hutchinson 07-14-2008 06:55 PM

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I don't have a Bible college education which I certainly could have benefited from,I understand a DR.Joe Nelson from Parkersburg,WV has a good school.


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