In the Oneness ranks how many believe in OSAS
 

I was wondering this from just a statistical point of view.

Also if you do believe in OSAS or Eternal Security though close but not the same do you believe in any law at all? Also are there any orgs in OP that state this as a articles of faith etc...

Thanks!

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There is a version of OSAS that promotes very strong holiness. It is born out of the belief that God has chosen a people from the beginning of time to be his. He calls them to himself and then gives them grace to be overcomers.

They overcome and live a holy life unto the end because they ARE his elect and because it is he (God) working in them to will and do his good pleasure. If someone leads a life of consistent sin or if they fall away it is proving they never were saved at all.

So altho most OSAS teaching does encourage sinful living by teaching sin will not be an issue for the Christian on judgment day there is this other option of the doctrine that some believe.

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Michael thanks for your reply. That would be a reference per my first post to a more traditional reformed view of Eternal Security(Perseverance of the saints.) As OSAS is more of what you see now among many like Bob George, Stanley etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_security

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No one I know believes OSAS theology. This is including the ones that us OP's claim are OSAS. Even catholics believe you can lose salvation. Even after confirmations and all they do actually believe you can lose salvation.

As for me I believe in eternal security, but NOT unconditional eternal security. One you become saved by grace you are saved, but you must continue to live acceptable to Christ. This means living a seperate lifestyle not so much in the way you dress, but you must live seperate unto God and away from a sinful life. No one is above judgement! No one is below grace!

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I don´t know anyone that believes that doctrine so I cannot comment because I really do not understand it.

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I definitly believe in the "Security of the Believer" .. not the Baptist forumla where you can shake the preachers hand... be saved and stay saved no matter what you do

No, I believe if one has TRULY tasted the heavenly gift... had a true and not an emotional born again experience... THE OLD MAN IS DEAD..... and that man has passed from DEATH UNTO LIFE...... he is a new creature and THAT CREATURE is eternally saved... and SEALED until the day of redemption not until that man falls in the flesh

Now, the old argument "So, you believe people can go out and do whatever they want and be saved" is not a valid question.;.. because I believe that if one is TRULY saved it will show in their desire towards holiness and their utter disdain for this world will show in their lives.. thus proving they have been born again and you will never see this type of person trying to get as close to the world as possible..... if someone comes to the altar and goes back into sin,.,. they NEVER GOT ANYTHING... their fruits prove it

You don't have to tell an Apple Tree to produce apples... it happens naturally without effort.... you don't have to tell a truly saved person to live sanctified... it's just natural for that NEW MAN.;... anything contrary to that PROVES he was never BORN AGAIN because had he been born again.. .the NATURAL FRUIT of that experience is HOLINESS

Remember brethren... Holiness is not the ROOT of our Salvation... Holiness is the FRUIT of our Salvation.....

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Thanks for your reply. Though I don't believe in OSAS, I would not complain if you are right! LOL!

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yeah, that is the way it seems from my own personal circles and meeting many. It seems Arminianism is definitly more the norm than about any other doctrine than maybe Acts 2:38. It might be even higher than that after reading about how many 1-steppers are Oneness.

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Heb 10:10-18

vvs.10: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

vvs 12: "but this man after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever."

vvs 14: "for by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

How much more secure can anyone be? Yes, I believe in Eternal Security.

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Heresy pure and simple.

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What does this scripture mean?

18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:18-19

"If they were of us they would have no doubt continued with us"?

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YOu cannot have "Law" and not have SIN to the believer. Either there is law or not law. You cannot have it both ways. OSAS means no law when you get down to it.

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Read the last line. They wern't saved to begin with.

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I think you'll find just about everyone says that they don't believe in OSAS just because that's been drilled into us so hard.

Personally, for years I've question our basic assumptions on this point even to the point of bringing it up at a Oneness Symposium many years ago. My perspective arises from the standpoint of God's election. I consider the question of "free will versus determinism" to be a two sided coin that must be accepted as a fundamental paradox.

In other words, to answer the question "Is OSAS true?" we have to answer, "It depends on how you look at it..." instead of shouting outthe answer "NO!" that we're accustomed to shouting. The question is complex and deserves more consideration than the boiler plate responses we traditionally give.

And FWIW... I have generally received favorable responses from our leaders when I point this out.

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Branham said a drunk 'backslid' Baptist preacher died saved.
First the Baptist could NOT have backslid since he was never saved!
Second no drunkard shall inherit the Kingdom of God.
But what do you expect out of a lying false prophet.
That was HIS doctrine of eternal security.

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So you don't believe in eternal security at any level?

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I seem to get closer and closer to that view. When I was UPC, I believed in more of an "Easy to Be Damned" view, by which I was constantly losing my salvation (many many times a day, in fact, everytime I did something wrong), so of course, I lived in constant fear that I would die or be raptured right after I stubbed my toe and thought a bad word.

My current view is not exactly OSAS, but fairly close. I think the only way that one can lose their salvation, is if the willingly and knowingly choose to turn their back on Jesus. And I don't think that is a very common thing to do. People sin, and they get mad at God, and go off and pout for a few years. But parents don't reject their children just because they get mad and say "I hate you" and "I wish I'd never been born", and throw a temper tantrum, and disobey, because they know they don't really mean it, they are just hurting.

I guess I think that God is the same way.

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Yes I do we have High Priest over the House that interceedes for those in the house but if I leave the house he does NOT intercede for me. Only if I remain in the house. Those protected by the blood remained in the house at the Passover in Exo. 13.

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You heard it here first folks, SE believes in eternal security. LOL

I think most Christians have to believe this to a certain degree cause if they didn't it would be aparent that they do not understand God's grace and mercy. I think there is NO SUCH thing as unconditional eternal security. Gotta be holy enough to please God, but no one is holy enough to please man, it seems.

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I understand and agree from a point of what God knows will happen. Yes, what happens will happen from a determinist point. I totaly agree with that. My point from a OSAS position is from a choice point. When we choose to sin and go against God due to whatever reason does one lose salvation.

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I personaly believe one is not saved if one does not follow after the Spirit. To not be under the law of the Spirit one would have to be under the law of the flesh. It is his passion or ours. Romans 8 goes over this. Sure God has mercy on us and Grace is given but I don't believe it is hard to lose either. When I say hard to lose I am not talking about quick thought or stupid stuff but a change of heart. I really don't think it is a hard to lose or easy to lose thing it simply is a matter of who are you the slave to which goes beyond the little stuff.

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i am in the oneness ranks and do not believe osas, dt

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I'm sorry but the apostle Paul says different.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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For someone to make such a choice we would have to question whether or not they had ever been regenerated or "saved" to begin with.

It's a difficult area of discussion - as long as someone agrees with me on the difficulty of the question, I generally I have no problem with the conclusions they reach might reach. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif

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So does this scripture deny all hope of salvation to backsliders?

What does this scripture mean?