Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I am amazed that some seem to believe that "old time shouting" is out of order.

Do you believe in what the old timers called "shouting". I am talking about where the power of God falls in a service and folks start cutting a jig, or screaming? I am not talking about the Charismatic 2-step we see nowadays. But where one gets "lost" in the holy ghost. It used to be called "getting a blessing".

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Not into screaming or knocking out your neighbour, but Yes!
Shout with a voice of triumph!

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I believe in it cause I see it happen. I think that there are times for it. if someone startes screaming loudly in the middle of the service when that is not the order of the service at that time people might think they got pinched on the hind end. That would be out of order

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I don't have a problem with shouting but I do have a problem with what some people call shouting.

If you are talking about the "loose all control of your senses and have a seizure while shrieking", "shouting", I don't like it, and I don't think that God takes them over and makes them act like that.

What we call "shouting" is supposed to be about praise and worship. Do you think the loose all control stuff is about praise? What you are calling 2 step is more in line with what you see in the Bible, and I am all for it.

That is not to say that I think that the people who do the old time seizure/screaming fit stuff are bad or have a bad motivation. I think they are just following what they have seen and interpret to be praise.

Where this all got started, and why is what I would like to know?

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

By all means yes! There's just something about it when God starts moving and His presence is everywhere.... When you know He is there and you can feel those chains that had you bound just fall from your feet and hands...and you get so excited about the goodness of the Lord....:shockamoo ...and then you wanna lift yo hands and praise... you wanna dance and shout with a voice of triumph!

yes, I believe it! ...and now I am sooo ready to have some church!



Now, when people flop around like fish and trample others and step on children....that's out of order....I don't believe you lose total control of your senses to where you cannot control yourself at all...

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

This may explain where I am coming from a little better.


I was raised in a church where the power of God fell often, and folks shouted, danced, ran, and screamed. it was normal for folks to come to church expecting to receive a "blessing" from God. I watched the holy ghost come upon my mom as she sang and played the organ, and she would begin to sing in tongues. I watched as the holy ghost would come upon my dad, and often he would cut loose into what some would call "the jerks", but what most of you now call out of order. I saw others that I could name, shouting, dancing in the spirit, screaming, and hollering. But I also heard the Word preached. I saw conviction hit folks that caused them to run to an alter. I saw folks pray through to the holy ghost. I saw cancers fall of into peoples hands. I saw folks healed, delivered, and set free.

This would be another example:

I have witnessed with my own eye's a man shout backwards, fall over a row of folding chairs, smack dab onto a sleeping baby, and rolled back off of the baby, never missing a beat. The baby was fine, and never even woke up.

I could also add this:


Often, when the holy ghost came upon my mother, she would scream out, and turn slowly in circles with raise hands. At times, she would shout her hair down, and we kids spent time after service collecting the bobbypins for her and some of the other ladies in the church

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Asking me if I believe in shouting is like asking me if I believe that monkeys climb trees! :D

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

When I was young, my brother and I used to make fun of a "Bro Daniels", because every time he shouted, his shoes would go flying. It never failed!! My brother and I (the devils we PK's were) had it down, and would often see who could kick our shoes the farthest when we imitated him. :D

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I seem to remember David dancing and praising God to the point his wife was ashamed of him. I doubt that was a little 2 step dance.

I'm not a real demonstrative person myself, but I've cut a rug a time or 2. I've probably done everything that you think is out of order and I know I have sure felt better afterwards.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

It's funny watching children imitate the "jigs" people do in church. :lol

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Actually it would be what we consider a two step.. it was not uncontrollable dancing as we see in Pentecostal churches... the word DANCE used with David is the original word CHOREO... which we derive Chorepgraphed from.... all Jewish Dancing is in the form of either circle dancing or very controlled celebratory dance.. He danced according to his Jewish Custom... there was nothing out of control......

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

To everything under there sun,,,, there is a purpose..... please explain to us the PURPOSE of shouting.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

To give you something to be against? :D

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Ask God, he is the one that causes it.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Since you like to try to explain away everything Old Time Pentecostal, please explain why his wife was so upset if he was just dancing a "very controlled celebratory dance."

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Actually, the Hebrew word used was:




karar (kä·rar')

1) (Pilpel) to whirl, dance

a) whirling, dancing (participle)

So the scripture suggests that David spun around with all he had in him. Kind of like a spinning top. Of course he didn't have the Holy Ghost either.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

U mean David did the "helicopter" thing? KEWL!! I didn't know that!

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

WYOPASTOR..... his wife was not upset because he was dancing... dancing was a common and still is a common custom among Jewish people... she was upset because he ABASED HIMSELF and shed his ROYAL ROBES and made himself common among the people

II Sam 6:20 puts it all in perspective.. the Pentecostals would be well served to read these verses before trying to use something that DID NOT HAPPEN to justify the emotionalism of Pentecost...

NOW BROTHER, after reading the following verse.. you tell me .... was she mad because he danced or because he removed his ROYAL ROBES?

II SAM 6:20 - Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

You simply hear the voice of a JEALOUS WIFE because the handmaids saw David in basically his common garments...... she was not upset because he was dancing before the Lord but rather because he disrobed himself... all the way down to his linen ephod..... rather than portraying himself in his royal garments...

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

That is what the verse below implies.


2Sa 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all [his] might; and David [was] girded with a linen ephod.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I ought to post some shouting vids from our church. That would probably let you know where I stand on the issue. :shockamoo

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

All Jewish dancing is known commonly as a circle dance.. yes whirling,, very controlled, very common,, very NON PENTECOSTAL

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

She got upset because he was basically in his underwear. That's common knowledge, isn't it?

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I think the following question would have been a more interesting thread title...

Does the NT support shouting in church?
Does the NT give us any examples of Pentecostal Shouting?
Does the NT give more instruction for church order or for pandemonium?

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I'm not Jewish, so I don't care how they dance. I am excited, however, to find out that David was doing a whirling kind of dance. That's what used to happen to me back in my shoutin all over church days.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Yes,,, but the Pentecostals try to make it seem that she was upset because he was SHOUTING...... actually WYO Pastor made reference to that same understanding

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Go 'head on, Bro! I like them kind of services. :D

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I promise you RICO... go with me to JErusalem and you will not see one instance of whirling that reminds you of your type of whirling..... their dance is very controlled, very choreographed and very NON PENTECOSTAL and this is the type of dancing that we find David doing...... not Pentecostal Shouting

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Never heard anyone preach it any other way other than her being upset because he was in his undies.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Why would I want to let people who have rejected Christ determine for me how I should dance before the Lord?

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Actually he was not in his Undies.. he was in a Linen Ephod which was religious robes rather than royal robes....... the linen ephod would have been worn under his royal garments and then his underclothes under the linen ephod.. so he was not in his Undies.. he was not dancing so uncontrollably that he was in his underwear... he ABASED himself to the common man and was seen in an Ephod in public rather than his Royal Robes....

I will never understand how the Pentecostals can make any more out of that experience then what actually happened

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I don't mind the dancing part, but losing your composure...well...it is a fine line.

I don't like the cultural aspects. Sometimes people like to estimate your level of spirituality based on how you shout or used to shout or if you dont shout at all.

"wow, I wonder whats wrong with Carpenter, he never gets out there and shouts like he used to."

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Lol,, they had to reject Christ... it was predestined for them that you might accept Christ.. their turn is coming,.,. be careful there brother,,,, they were the original worshippers of the one true God... he taught them how to worship him...

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Again you are wrong. Her despite for David was because she saw him worshiping.


2Sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.

BTW - David wore the Linen Ephod because he was dressed in the attire of a Priest, instead of a King. He would soon be offering sacrifices to God (2Sa 6:17). A linen ephod was not underwear.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Very true, Carp. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that way too.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Yeah, but wasn't a linen ephod a type of underclothing they wore? I didn't mean underwear in the way we think of underwear. I should have been more clear on that.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

I have nothing against cutting a rug, as you call it, I am talking about when people throw fits in church.

I have had more than one very learned men of God preach/teach that what David did was the typical Jewish dance and the outrage was that he removed his royal garment.

As I know who these men are and trust their interpretation of scripture, and I don't know who you are, I think I will go with their version.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Brother, I don't recall God ever giving dancing lessons to His people in the OT. It may be there, but I don't recall reading about it.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

This I do agree with. Michal despised David because he was not coming into the city as a King, but as a Priest, worshiping God. She was probably a society girl. and felt humiliated. So she despised him.


Of course David put her in her place:

2Sa 6:21 And David said unto Michal, [It was] before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.
2Sa 6:22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.

BUT the point is that David worshiped WITH ALL HIS MIGHT. It was not some ballerina twirl, but a spinning top that was seen.

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

Oh absolutely,,, precise instruction in how they might approach him... all the way down to the fabric that they must wear.....

He then instructs them to come into his presence with CHOREO... a very controlled celebratory dance.....

Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
 

St. Matthew..... why would he have danced in any other way than he had been trained in? What causes you to believe he would have broken rank with his traditional Jewish dance... which by the way takes alot of might... I enjoy partaking in Jewish dancing at one of our churches in Jerusalem and trust me is wears you out after a few minutes...... yet all Biblical scholars will concede that Davids dance was a typical Jewish dance.. that looks NOTHING like an out of control person losing all of their senses