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StillStanding 07-17-2008 09:57 AM

Jesse Jackson Uses the "N" Word!!
 
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?

Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

Rico 07-17-2008 10:01 AM

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It's all in how ya say it, Pianoman.

Jack Shephard 07-17-2008 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 532987)
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?

Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

You are right. Goes to show you that with in a persons own race they can say what they want too and never get into trouble. I hear my black friend call each other the 'N' word. No problems. I don't call my wife friends 'cracker'. I guess it is like one mexican saying 'buey' to another mexican? Not that the words mean the same, but me a white guy would not be safe saying buey to just any mexican similar to if I said the 'N' word to a black person. buey=ox, but in very negitive spin on it. Am I right?

DividedThigh 07-17-2008 10:02 AM

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al sharpton said that is not the jesse we all know and love, puke, dt

StillStanding 07-17-2008 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 533006)
al sharpton said that is not the jesse we all know and love, puke, dt

That also was not the Michael Richards we all know and love from "Seinfelt"! Somehow it didn't matter then!

StillStanding 07-17-2008 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 533002)
It's all in how ya say it, Pianoman.

So it's OK to say it, if you say it in an endearing way?

tstew 07-17-2008 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 533012)
That also was not the Michael Richards we all know and love from "Seinfelt"! Somehow it didn't matter then!

In all fairness, the content and tone of what Richards said went way beyond the use of the "N word". He could have made the statements about lynching, etc and not even used the word and still been as offensive. However, using the word in the context of everything else he was saying was very offensive to many people and has changed their perception of the Kramer they "knew".
Jesse Jackson should have known better than to use that word in that setting as well, but there is a BIG difference.

DividedThigh 07-17-2008 10:10 AM

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i agree tstew it is diff, but still no excuse for jesse the bigot

Rico 07-17-2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 533018)
So it's OK to say it, if you say it in an endearing way?

Depends on who you are, how you use it, and how well you know the people you are using it around.

tstew 07-17-2008 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 532987)
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?
Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

I think that if he had used the word during a "comedy routine" the response would have been vastly different. I have heard White comedians use the word during their regular routine and there is no outcry. What occurred with Richards was clearly not a part of a comedy routine, but a moment of real-life exposure. He stopped his comedy routine to start the exchange.

rgcraig 07-17-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 533052)
Depends on who you are, how you use it, and how well you know the people you are using it around.

Still seems like a double standard to me.

Rico 07-17-2008 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 533072)
Still seems like a double standard to me.

Maybe, but that's the way it is. I have a white friend who has a fit if I call him hillbilly, even though I know for a fact he lived in a run down trailer for over a year with no running water and no toilet.

Baron1710 07-17-2008 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 533076)
Maybe, but that's the way it is. I have a white friend who has a fit if I call him hillbilly, even though I know for a fact he lived in a run down trailer for over a year with no running water and no toilet.

So basically you are calling him white trash, so if someone lives in the ghetto that would make it ok?

BrotherEastman 07-17-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 533076)
Maybe, but that's the way it is. I have a white friend who has a fit if I call him hillbilly, even though I know for a fact he lived in a run down trailer for over a year with no running water and no toilet.

My wife calls me a hillbilly. (and I'm a Hoosier) go figure.

StillStanding 07-17-2008 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 533071)
I think that if he had used the word during a "comedy routine" the response would have been vastly different. I have heard White comedians use the word during their regular routine and there is no outcry. What occurred with Richards was clearly not a part of a comedy routine, but a moment of real-life exposure. He stopped his comedy routine to start the exchange.

Now that I recall, it was indeed a heated exchange with a patron. However, if African Americans want the word to cease to exist from other ethnic groups, wouldn't it be best if they themselves stopped using it?

rgcraig 07-17-2008 10:31 AM

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I had a VERY comfortable situation this past weekend.

We were decorating for the reception and my ex-MIL said she was sweating like a "n". I was floored!!!!!

That generation just doesn't think. I was just glad that no one was in the ballroom at the time she blurted that stupidity out.

DividedThigh 07-17-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 533085)
I had a VERY comfortable situation this past weekend.

We were decorating for the reception and my ex-MIL said she was sweating like a "n". I was floored!!!!!

That generation just doesn't think. I was just glad that no one was in the ballroom at the time she blurted that stupidity out.

omg, sounds like them

tstew 07-17-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 533077)
So basically you are calling him white trash, so if someone lives in the ghetto that would make it ok?

Baron, the best analogy I can think of (even though it is to a much lesser degree) is the difference between Jeff Foxworthy talking about rednecks, and somebody else who is not a self-professed redneck. If there was someone talking to "rednecks" about "rednecks" who was not one and if there was the possiblity that they really are derogatory towards them, they may be perceived a little differently.
I say that it is an analogy to a much lesser degree because you would have to multiply the emotional response to the word by 1,000 with the "N word".
I personally don't like it, but there are many kids of many races who do use the word with each other and their Black friends with no problems because they do all know that it is not coming from a derogatory place in them.

tstew 07-17-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 533083)
Now that I recall, it was indeed a heated exchange with a patron. However, if African Americans want the word to cease to exist from other ethnic groups, wouldn't it be best if they themselves stopped using it?

There are many who do push for the word to not be used, but there are some people that will use that word in a derogatory way no matter what. I don't believe that Michael Richards went there because he heard some rapper or somebody use the word, it came from a place deep down in him.

DividedThigh 07-17-2008 10:36 AM

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if we want change, i like the speech morgan freeman gave denzel washington in the movie glory, if we dont change then we are what we are, really

Ferd 07-17-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 533089)
Baron, the best analogy I can think of (even though it is to a much lesser degree) is the difference between Jeff Foxworthy talking about rednecks, and somebody else who is not a self-professed redneck. If there was someone talking to "rednecks" about "rednecks" who was not one and if there was the possiblity that they really are derogatory towards them, they may be perceived a little differently.
I say that it is an analogy to a much lesser degree because you would have to multiply the emotional response to the word by 1,000 with the "N word".
I personally don't like it, but there are many kids of many races who do use the word with each other and their Black friends with no problems because they do all know that it is not coming from a derogatory place in them.


my friend, the analogy fails. non-rednecks talk about rednecks in nasty terms all the time. nobody thinks there is anything wrong with that because rednecks are white.

look we live in a world where there is a clear disconnect. if a white guy speaks derogatorally of blacks he is a racist and will denounced widely.

if a black person speaks negativly about whites, they are hailed as heros.

ever hear a black person "sounding white"
ever see a white person get away with "acting black"?

tstew 07-17-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 533085)
I had a VERY comfortable situation this past weekend.

We were decorating for the reception and my ex-MIL said she was sweating like a "n". I was floored!!!!!

That generation just doesn't think. I was just glad that no one was in the ballroom at the time she blurted that stupidity out.

There are some who are so subconsciously programmed, there isn't much you can do. I will say though that what does confuse and concern me are the "Holy Ghost filled" ones with the "regenerated minds"...
I guess there is a possibilty that she was repeating a slang statement she had heard and didn't necessarily mean something directly to someone, but all the same it is probably good that there weren't any "sisters" working nearby . :girlfriend

Baron1710 07-17-2008 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 533089)
Baron, the best analogy I can think of (even though it is to a much lesser degree) is the difference between Jeff Foxworthy talking about rednecks, and somebody else who is not a self-professed redneck. If there was someone talking to "rednecks" about "rednecks" who was not one and if there was the possiblity that they really are derogatory towards them, they may be perceived a little differently.
I say that it is an analogy to a much lesser degree because you would have to multiply the emotional response to the word by 1,000 with the "N word".
I personally don't like it, but there are many kids of many races who do use the word with each other and their Black friends with no problems because they do all know that it is not coming from a derogatory place in them.

Except for the fact I have watched black people call each other the "N" word when trying to provoke a fight, so blacks use it as a slur as well.

Ferd 07-17-2008 10:42 AM

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Look folks this one is simple. Jesse Jackson is a political liberal. that means he can say the N word how ever he likes.

that ability is not extended to political conservitives.

rgcraig 07-17-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 533098)
There are some who are so subconsciously programmed, there isn't much you can do. I will say though that what does confuse and concern me are the "Holy Ghost filled" ones with the "regenerated minds"...
I guess there is a possibilty that she was repeating a slang statement she had heard and didn't necessarily mean something directly to someone, but all the same it is probably good that there weren't any "sisters" working nearby . :girlfriend

I guess, but still it's wrong! I'm pretty sure she grew up hearing that slang as just being normal in the boot heel of Missouri.

I did take a quick look around because earlier there had been some "brothers" in there.

I just told her that she shouldn't be saying that.

Ferd 07-17-2008 10:45 AM

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question what do
Jesse Jackson
Robert Byrd
Lt. Gov of California Bustamonte

all have in common?

they all used the N word, they all are political liberals and they all got ZERO retrabution for it!

now, as Trent Lott what he thinks about that.

DividedThigh 07-17-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 533101)
Look folks this one is simple. Jesse Jackson is a political liberal. that means he can say the N word how ever he likes.

that ability is not extended to political conservitives.

you mean like bob byrd, lol

Ferd 07-17-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 533108)
you mean like bob byrd, lol

oh the list is Loooong my brother.

tstew 07-17-2008 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 533096)
my friend, the analogy fails. non-rednecks talk about rednecks in nasty terms all the time. nobody thinks there is anything wrong with that because rednecks are white.

look we live in a world where there is a clear disconnect. if a white guy speaks derogatorally of blacks he is a racist and will denounced widely.

if a black person speaks negativly about whites, they are hailed as heros.

ever hear a black person "sounding white"
ever see a white person get away with "acting black"?

Ferd, I'm not sure where you live, but in most places you see it all the time. There is even a word for it. :)

As for the analogy, I said up front that it is to a much lesser degree because of the history of the word and it's usage. My whole point is that it will be perceived differently by the ones listening. I know that there is not a huge public outcry when someone talks about rednecks in nasty terms, but that doesn't change the fact that a "redneck" will feel differently about them saying it as opposed to Jeff Foxworthy. That was the extent of the analogy.

For the most part as well Blacks do not hail a black speaking negatively of whites as "heroes".

In my opinion the content of what Michael Richards said was just offensive and not part of any comedy routine.

tstew 07-17-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 533099)
Except for the fact I have watched black people call each other the "N" word when trying to provoke a fight, so blacks use it as a slur as well.

Baron, but it still cannot be viewed as the specifically racial slur that it has been in the past when others used it.

Rico 07-17-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 533099)
Except for the fact I have watched black people call each other the "N" word when trying to provoke a fight, so blacks use it as a slur as well.

True. That's why I say it depends on how the word is being used, who is using it, and with whom it is being used.

Baron1710 07-17-2008 10:50 AM

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Since we are on the subject what about schools banning or editing Tom Sawyer because it uses the term?

tstew 07-17-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 533101)
Look folks this one is simple. Jesse Jackson is a political liberal. that means he can say the N word how ever he likes.

that ability is not extended to political conservitives.

Ferd, I know many black Republicans that use the word and not have a fallout. But to think that Byrd or Lott would be viewed in the same light is not realistic.

tstew 07-17-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 533120)
Since we are on the subject what about schools banning or editing Tom Sawyer because it uses the term?

I'm not really sure, but I would not have a problem with it being edited for younger kids.

Ron 07-17-2008 10:54 AM

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Question, is the word offensive?

At least to a vast majority it is, so I wouldn't feel it is appropriate not matter the colour of the person.

Question, is saying the word black in reference to a race-bad?
I say at times, "boy them black Churches sure no how to worship!"

BTW My Pastor now is African American (Black) & is a good man!

rgcraig 07-17-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 533123)
I'm not really sure, but I would not have a problem with it being edited for younger kids.

My daughter didn't even know the "n" word until she was in high school and heard black kids calling each other that.

Baron1710 07-17-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 533126)
Question, is the word offensive?

At least to a vast majority it is, so I wouldn't feel it is appropriate not matter the colour of the person.

Question, is saying the word black in reference to a race-bad?
I say at times, "boy them black Churches sure no how to worship!"

BTW My Pastor now is African American (Black) & is a good man!

Do you say African-Canadian up there?

StillStanding 07-17-2008 10:57 AM

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Tstew, I'm just looking for consistency. If blacks wants the word banished by other ethnic groups (and it should be!), they should seek to banish it for themselves too! The hammer should fall equally.

Ron 07-17-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 533128)
Do you say African-Canadian up there?

Ahh, no, but you have a point.
We do say, "he is East Indian or he is Indo-Canadian."
Although there is a big furor over using Hyphens.

Most think it is being too politically correct.

rgcraig 07-17-2008 10:58 AM

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Since we are on the subject.......why can't we just all be Americans (well, excluding the Canadians)?

If you are born in American you are an American!


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