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Nahum 07-21-2008 03:55 PM
Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
I have learned a lot during my posting tenure here at AFF.

I have instructed all three of my internet addicted teenagers to stay away from Everyone's Apostolic. There are some internet sites that are voyeuristic in nature, and this seems to be one of them. The definition of the word voyeur I am speaking of is: a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous.

I worry about some of our so-called Apostolic or Pentecostal sites on the net. Several owners of these sites have shared stories of information mining on their "brothers and sisters in the Lord." This mined information, which was posted in innocence and with a false sense of security, was/is used against "brothers and sisters in the Lord" to BRING THEM DOWN.

Again, I have a huge distrust for the owners and admins of any internet site. It's not that I distrust ALL of them. It's just that I have been burned a couple of times. I worry about people (owners) reading private messages and using the info gleaned in a malicious manner.

These type of sites (Everyone's Apostolic) are among the worst. Suppose a UPC preacher's kid posts his favorite movies or tv shows? Suppose he shares stories of things he has done that does not fit within acceptable "UPC" behavior?

I have seen enough bloodshed in our Pentecostal culture to know this will happen, and when it does several people are gonna get hurt.

Nahum 07-21-2008 03:56 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
To fully understand the danger of internet posting please read the Texas Tornado thread.

mizpeh 07-21-2008 03:58 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=texas+tornado

Texas Tornado Thread

Nahum 07-21-2008 03:59 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 538639)
Thank you, Mizpeh!

Carpenter 07-21-2008 03:59 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Everyone's Apostolic is a forum similar to AFF?

rgcraig 07-21-2008 04:02 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 538641)
Everyone's Apostolic is a forum similar to AFF?
No, it's more like Facebook.

Nahum 07-21-2008 04:06 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 538641)
Everyone's Apostolic is a forum similar to AFF?
No Sir.

It is sort of like Facebook or MySpace.

UPC kids are crazy about this site, because it replaced Everyone's Connected.

Here is my problem with it.

Everyone has a profile page in which they share their interests, hobbies and so on. They share things like their favorite music, bands, movies, internet sites and so on.


On Everyone's Connected, the sites admins were non-Apostolic and unbiased. Anyone could read the profile info of a member, but only if that member received them as a friend.

On Everyone's Apostolic, the owners are Oneness Pentecostals who are seemingly bent on using the site as a social engineering tool.

You post something not "Apostolic" enough and you are "banned" or disfellowshipped. This is not a good place for our youth to hang out. I see it as an attempt to manipulate my kids into drinking the traditional kool-aid.

The Mrs 07-21-2008 04:06 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Just as an aside...the AFF Owners/Admins do NOT read private messages...unless of course, they are forwarded to us as offensive that we need to take action on. :winkgrin

Baron1710 07-21-2008 04:07 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 538655)
No Sir.

It is sort of like Facebook or MySpace.

UPC kids are crazy about this site, because it replaced Everyone's Connected.

Here is my problem with it.

Everyone has a profile page in which they share their interests, hobbies and so on. They share things like their favorite music, bands, movies, internet sites and so on.


On Everyone's Connected, the sites admins were non-Apostolic and unbiased. Anyone could read the profile info of a member, but only if that member received them as a friend.

On Everyone's Apostolic, the owners are Oneness Pentecostals who are seemingly bent on using the site as a social engineering tool.

You post something not "Apostolic" enough and you are "banned" or disfellowshipped. This is not a good place for our youth to hang out. I see it as an attempt to manipulate my kids into drinking the traditional kool-aid.
Is it the Apostolic big brother?

Nahum 07-21-2008 04:08 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 538658)
Is it the Apostolic big brother?
Exactly my point!

Imagine the danger of posting personal details including likes and dislikes regarding media on there.

Rico 07-21-2008 04:09 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 538656)
Just as an aside...the AFF Owners/Admins do NOT read private messages...unless of course, they are forwarded to us as offensive that we need to take action on. :winkgrin
So that's how I got banned for cussin a few people out in pms back in my cussin 'em out days! :D

Baron1710 07-21-2008 04:09 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 538661)
Exactly my point!

Imagine the danger of posting personal details including likes and dislikes regarding media on there.
For me, like some of the others, I think the worst that could happen would be getting banned, but if your in an organization...

Nahum 07-21-2008 04:10 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
To me, it's just another attempt at control by the Freaky-cons.

But this time, it's my kids they're after.

Nahum 07-21-2008 04:11 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 538664)
For me, like some of the others, I think the worst that could happen would be getting banned, but if you're in an organization...
Exactly.

The Mrs 07-21-2008 04:12 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
It's certainly a tattle-tale mentality. :naughty

Nahum 07-21-2008 04:14 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
It's more than that.

It's dangerous.

It would be like having all of our kids under the governance of a conservative idealogue.

The Mrs 07-21-2008 04:16 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
I lived under, and participated in, this mentality for far too long.

It's very disheartening once you realize what it REALLY is.

Nahum 07-21-2008 04:19 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 538674)
I lived under, and participated in, this mentality for far too long.

It's very disheartening once you realize what it REALLY is.
I never had a problem with my kids posting on EC.

This seems different.

SDG 07-21-2008 04:23 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Social engineering tool ... interesting.

grace_seeker 07-21-2008 04:26 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
I have an EC account...never had any problems over there....

Rhoni 07-21-2008 04:50 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...

timlan2057 07-21-2008 04:59 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.

I WAS around long enough to notice this:

Quote:
An invitation has to come from an existing member.

I guess they figured that would keep the riff-raff out but all it takes is one to start an avalanche, since Dan A sent ME an invitation.

It amuses me, really. I wonder what some folks are afraid of.

I WAS around long enough to notice that while open discussion is not tolerated, they DO tolerate 40-something year old pentecostal horn dog men sending "friends requests to young women 25 years younger than they are.

I notice my daughter had a "friends request" from some 42 year old pentecostal-preacher-swept-back-hair looking dude from Oklahoma.

My daughter is levelheaded and I trust her implicitly - heck, she's 18 now and not a minor but I'm still her father and still paranoid-protective of her.

I would beat the living tar out of anyone who took advantage of her.

"Apostolic" board or not - there's something obscene to me about 42 year old men sending "friends requests" to 18 year old girls.

So maybe certain parents - especially of minor children - better be concerned about who's trolling there on that nice "apostolic" board that bans people like me.
Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.

So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.

But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.

You know for sure that happens.

However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.

Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.

BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.

Of course you expect that on Myspace.

But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.

Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.

BrotherEastman 07-21-2008 05:00 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 538672)
It's more than that.

It's dangerous.

It would be like having all of our kids under the governance of a conservative idealogue.
Pastor Poster, I'm not saying that you are wrong entirely; however, I know people personally on this new network, trust me, it's not all conservative. Going by the "appearances" of some of the users, I'd say there are some liberals there as well. I bet most of them are moderates though.

MissBrattified 07-21-2008 05:03 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by timlan2057 (Post 538707)
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.

I WAS around long enough to notice this:



Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.

So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.

But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.

You know for sure that happens.

However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.

Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.

BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.

Of course you expect that on Myspace.

But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.

Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.
Good post.

rgcraig 07-21-2008 05:05 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Does it bother anyone else that their banner left out the apostrophe?

BrotherEastman 07-21-2008 05:17 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 538716)
Does it bother anyone else that their banner left out the apostrophe?
What do you mean?

rgcraig 07-21-2008 05:29 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 538723)
What do you mean?
They have "Everyones Connected" instead of Everyone's Connected"

Nahum 07-21-2008 05:31 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by timlan2057 (Post 538707)
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.

I WAS around long enough to notice this:



Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.

So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.

But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.

You know for sure that happens.

However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.

Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.

BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.

Of course you expect that on Myspace.

But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.

Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.
Excellent post.

I have told every adult in our church to never, ever be alone with a minor child that is not their own. I suppose that would extend to internet posting as well.

We live in a sick world.

Nahum 07-21-2008 05:32 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 538699)
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
Sure we do, Rhoni.

I seem to remember a huge controversy over some of your posts that certain members of your family raised a ruckus over.

Rhoni 07-21-2008 05:32 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 538705)
You weren't saying that when someone contacted your pastor.
They didn't do it from another forum...they did it from NFCF, aka, AFF. There is no safe place; all one can do is be careful and have safeguards in place. Hire the Mafia, or the posse:tease

Rhoni 07-21-2008 05:35 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 538726)
Excellent post.

I have told every adult in our church to never, ever be alone with a minor child that is not their own. I suppose that would extend to internet posting as well.

We live in a sick world.
You don't think there are predators on this forum? They are everywhere and many hidden within ultra-conservative churches. I think Tim's post is excellent across forum lines.

Rhoni 07-21-2008 05:37 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 538734)
That's why he said what he did.
I didn't disagree with his post.:friend

Rhoni 07-21-2008 05:43 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 538738)
Okay. There seems to be a disconnect tonight.
Obviously and then an attack from Pastor Poster...for Pete's sake.:bigbaby My family haven't caused me problems over this forum...it is ultra-conservative NFCF/AFF posters who had the audacity to call my Pastor...I think I need to 'pray through' over those dudes...else I might join them where they are heading...:club

Nahum 07-21-2008 05:52 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Huh?

When did I attack you Rhoni?

OMG, this is all so futile sometimes!

ARGH!

Making this about YOU is the height of self-absorbtion.

Rhoni 07-21-2008 05:52 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 538744)
I believe there were some problems with your family reading posts from here that a non-family member copied and sent to them - - I believe that's what he's talking about.
Yes, there is always drama around family functions that have to do with divorced families. So kind of everyone to bring it up:snapout

Nahum 07-21-2008 05:54 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 538748)
Yes, there is always drama around family functions that have to do with divorced families. So kind of everyone to bring it up:snapout
WHAT?????

You brought it up on open forum and talked about it for weeks!

I believe you even left us for a while after that.

My only point was that there are malicious readers out there.

Surely you agree?

Rhoni 07-21-2008 05:54 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 538699)
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 538727)
Sure we do, Rhoni.

I seem to remember a huge controversy over some of your posts that certain members of your family raised a ruckus over.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 538746)
Huh?

When did I attack you Rhoni?

OMG, this is all so futile sometimes!

ARGH!

Making this about YOU is the height of self-absorbtion.
Sounds like you made it about me:snapout

jaxfam6 07-21-2008 05:59 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
IT IS ALL ABOUT MEEEEEE

I am tired of Rhoni getting it to be about HER all the time. I want it about me every now and then.


=)

Rico 07-21-2008 06:20 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 538755)
IT IS ALL ABOUT MEEEEEE

I am tired of Rhoni getting it to be about HER all the time. I want it about me every now and then.


=)
Post something we can take to your pastor to use against you and we will! Otherwise, quit yer whinin! :D

Mrs. LPW 07-21-2008 06:59 PM
Re: Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 538699)
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
:spit


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