Who was crying in the wilderness
 

Many people believe it was John "Crying or Shouting a Message in the Wilderness" but John was simply "The Voice of One" John was the VOICE only.. but it was GOD HIMSELF crying in the wilderness... Why was he in the wilderness? Because his message, his call was not allowed in the Synagogue.... they had pre-determined how he would come,, they had shut him out and as such he had to SHOUT or CRY in the Wilderness.... THe Cry was "Come out of her" this was Johns Message.. come out of organized religion.. come to the wilderness... Jesus is out here....

In Laodocia. Jesus is knocking on the church door.. .. because he has been kicked out of Laodocia... he is once again in THE WILDERNESS.... OUTSIDE of the the religions of our day, including Pentecost.. He is calling a BRIDE... and he used a VOICE and is using a VOICE to call us out of the church... calling us unto his WORD..

John said I AM THE VOICE of HIM that crieth in the wilderness

He said you generation of vipers,, you who were born of the of the Serpent... REPENT.. these were religious men.. God is CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS again... He is calling each of us out of our religions, out of our mindsets, out of our ideas and BACK TO THE WORD!

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"He is calling each of us out of our religions, out of our mindsets, out of our ideas and BACK TO THE WORD!"


I agree BUT everyone says this and still everyone has different doctrinal beliefs and everyone still thinks there beliefs are the result of answering the call..

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Agreed

thus the reason we need a Malachai 4 Prophet... to turn the hearts of the children to the Fathers

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Gosh...and just WHO might that be?

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Each person will have to decide that for themselves

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You have a doctorate in theology?

First off, Jesus is IN THE MIDST of the seven golden candlesticks which are the seven churches in Asia. That means He was in the midst of Laodocia and not kicked out of Laodocia.

Where did you find "born of the serpent" in the Bible? :whistle

Your first paragraph on the voice of John the Baptist in the wilderness and God being in the wilderness sounds like a personal interpretation. Would you post what verses of the Bible you are talking about? If I heard this preached in my church, I would think someone was doing alot of scripture twisting to fit their agenda.

I think you could make your point without resorting to twisting scriptures.

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Do I hear serpent-seed doctrine?

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yep

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Let's see now - serpent-seed doctrine and needing a prophet for our generation...hmmmmm.... I know I've heard that somewhere before. On YouTube apparently there is a video of a dove "magically" appearing and flying out of the tomb of none other than....William Branham. Mind you there are a lot of "magical" things that can be seen on YouTube when it comes to the "Prophetic Movement" and such.

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and you still don't believe?

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Lots of us here have doctorate degrees from AFF Virtual Seminary

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Well, do YOU have any ideas who that might be?

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The things I know scripturally, and what I feel in the spirit does not add up to the doctrinal points/statements that this Dr. Vaughn reitterates. We need to be careful of what he says on this "Apostolic" friends forum and what we allow into our psyche/spirit.

Just a heads up...as if anyone really needs it.

Blessings, Rhoni

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Dr. Vaughn, I was going to respond to this, but could not figure out where to really start...

Organized religion is wrong in so many ways, but you bring it forth as if it is the antichrist or something like that. I admit that such has faults, but to do what you have done is just unscriptural. You cannot take the calling and ministry of John the Baptist as an evidence against organized religion. His calling was for the people to repent and prepare their hearts for Messiah's coming. Some Pharisees turned, and some John turned away, for they had no repentance within them.

The second part I found disturbing was the subtle introduction of serpent seed doctrine into the post. Jesus called the Sanhedrin broods of vipers because their poison was lethal to those who sought after God. It was not because they were born of any serpent's seed.

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Also, on another thread he mentioned that Judas was predestined from birth as satan and I read it again this weekend that satan entered into Judas right before he went to the chief priests and elders to betray Jesus. Judas was not born from satan at birth but possessed by him when he allowed the stronghold into his life as an adult.

I just have many issues with many of the things he brings out on this forum that may confuse those who really don't read and study scripture for themselves.

I encourage everyone to go to the scriptures and read what the Bible really says before changing your thoughts and opinions on anything said on this forum...including what I say because many times I find that my recollection of what I think the scripture said [that I learned as a child] and what it really says is different.

The truth holds firm under the most intensive scrutiny.

Blessings, Rhoni

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JOhn 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

He was the SON OF HELL...... who HAD to do what he did to fulfill scripture

Do you really believe God did "inny minny miney mo" among all the disciples to find someone he could use to betray Christ? No, he had JUDAS in mind from creation... who was born the SON OF HELL or DESTRUCTION or PERDITION....

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*raises hand* Oo, oo! Pick me, pick me!!!

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Bro. Price.... thanks for your response.. I respectuflly respond

In Laodocia where is Jesus? We see him KNOCKING ON THE CHURCH DOOR... he pleads LET ME IN..... you can read it for yourself in Revelations.... just as the days of JOHN THE BAPTIST... the WORD has been removed from the CHURCh.. it has turned into a systems of politics, and watered down gosepl.. whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.. it's the truth anyhow.. the last thing this church age CRAVES is the WORD OF GOD in it's rawest form.. they crave meeting, dramas, social gatherings, Joel Osteens gospel, they crave to hear how they are gonna be favored by MAN.... they defy men who preach doctrine and call them cruel and out of touch.... and yet the ONLY purpose of the church is to bring forth doctrine for the maturing of the Saints.. to give them "Rapturing Faith" for our transition into our theophanies which is soon to come.....

So,,, God used JOHN, not in the religious system.. not even in Pentecost.. he went out to the WILDERNESS and became a VOICE to a people.... GOD WAS CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS or DECLARING in the WILDERNESS... the WASTE PLACE.. just where he's at now.. in the waste place.. the lonely place, the desert place.. and he used JOHN as his VOICE... he has no human voice.. he used JOHNS... this was not JOHN MESSAGE.. this was GODS MESSAGE to a remnant people to COME OUT OF HER.. to REPENT.. to recognize the day you live in and to hear the voice of that day......

When God used LUTHERS VOICE in his Day.. this was not the MESSAGE OF LUTHER... this was GODS CRY to HIS BRIDE TO COME OUT OF COTHOLOCISM... he used LUTHERS VOICE... and thus LUTHER was the VOICE of ONE CRYING.. but who was actually CRYING? GOD HIMSELF... alluring his BRIDE outside of mans religion and BACK TO THE WORD.. BACK TO JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH........

In Laodocia... he again is CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS...... and if this church age will not allow the WORD OF GOD back into the Synagouge... what is there left for the BRIDE TO DO... but to JOIN HIM OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.. to join him IN THE WILDERNESS....

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

You see.. he is speaking to Laodocea... and he is OUTSIDE THE CHURCH... KNOCKING.. the WORD is begging to be allowed into Laodocea.. they have refused.... but he tells us to listen for his VOICE... the same VOICE the CRIED IN THE WILDERNESS>.. that alluring voice.. that voice that brings men to a LOVE FOR HIS WORD.. rather than a LOVE for church.....CALLING HIS BRIDE..

Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

He's calling his BRIDE OUT OF HER? Who is HER? The Religions of men, Rome & HER DAUGHTERS.... which is every man made denomination on the earth.. a denomination that will take your license if God were to reveal to you more truth than they will allow you to have........

John was just the VOICE... but there was indeed ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS... and one by one that little bride came out of Judaism and came to the water of repentance.... when this Bride hears THE VOICE... she will come out.. she came out with Luther.. she came out with Wesley,, she came out with the Anabaptist.. she came out with Pentecost..... and she is still COMING OUT

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my faith does not accept such nonsense as the serpent seed doctrine, nothing else to contribute here, dt

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Dr. Vaughn, with all due respect, heal thyself! Your references to and following interpretation of the serpent seed doctrine within New Testament scripture is fallicious and very close to heresy. It would behoove us all to carefully and fearfully study the word of God that we may grow thereby.

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Would you care to show me how I am supporting Serpent Seed in the above post?

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I'll take that as a rhetorical question. :)