Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW being...
 

... abolished. Does anyone have OT scripture that the LAW of God would be abolished or done away with?

We have covenants and then we have the Law of God. God's covenants always reflect his revealed eternal nature/law.

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God's moral law still stands.
That is eternal.

All that we have in the NT is Grace which not only gives us a remedy for sin, but helps us to live above it.

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Thanks for the response Ron...

Grace gave us the provision(atonement of Christ). Grace in itself does not save!

I hear all this talk about the "law"(actually it was your debt) was nailed to the cross and done away with yet no "scripture" for it! Especially since "the scriptures" are based on the OT writings.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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The Law and the covenant are synonymous.

The rules and regulations were are part of that covenant.

If this was not the case then it is a sin to not be circumcised

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If one wants to find out what is sin or not you can read it in the NT

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Yup. Like this verse:

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

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Jere 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

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CiRcuMCisioN and the OlD CovenAnt PreDAte the LAW somE 400 YeARs.

PauL TelLS us WHAT thE IntEnt oF THe LaW is In GalAtiAns 3

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DoNt StRAIN YouR EYes!!!! ThE CovEnanT WaS baSed On A PrOmISe. A ProMise FuLfillED In JeSUs CHrIST.

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The Law of Moses was the basis for the Old Covenant. I'm not sure why you are separating the Law of Moses from the Old Covenant.

Here's the joining of the covenant:

Exo 34:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Heb 9: 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated F30 without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

In that the Old covenant was made old by virtue of a "new covenant", the Law of Moses contained in ordinances has vanished away. Paul called the law a schoolmaster and said we are no longer under a school master because of faith in Christ.

Gal 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

And here's the verse on doing away with the law by the cross of Christ. It was the sacrifice of the Lamb on the cross that brought in a new way for us to be righteous before God.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

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Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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The Old Covenant is the agreement of the Isrealites to abide by the Law of Moses.

Why are you guys separating the Law of Moses from the Old Covenant? :snapout

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1Jn 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

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the covenant

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LOL! hmmm amazing how that comes back to the Mosaic Covenant

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Prax, sometimes not all the time! God's law transends covenants. As it is his nature and will for us to do and imitate to him, others and our surroundings.

your are in sin if you are not circumcised! If God has not made the SPIRITUAL circumcision you are still dead in sin. so circumcision is STILL necessary but in a different way. Types and shadows. Some things are a reality now spiritually which where physical before.

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Prax this is in part true. Paul stated the the LAW showed us SIN! Paul or any other apostle does not have to go and point out every sin again they already had the list. Whether they be sins against the body or God.

Paul and John already pointed to the LAW and what is right. To transgress the laws that God wanted his people to do was sin.
The basis of the law is about love, thus due what God commands without all your soul, might and strength. Love your neighbor and be a blessing to them through loving the commandments of God and to act in stewarship to the world around you. Thus loving the things God has provided.

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this scripture does not say the law is done away with or abolished. The covenant may change in a sense but the scriptures show that the law of God is not done away with. It placed on the heart.


Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit (WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST THE LIVING TORAH)I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
Eze 11:20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD."


Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. (which is the living Torah, Jesus Christ)
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

hmmm sounds like the reference to the law should be natural after reading the Word(scriptures OT) and the counseling of his Spirit.

Is this true in the NT?

Rom 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
Rom 2:15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Rom 2:16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

The Spirit will bear witness with our spirit if we are his sons.

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Again I need OT scripture. Also what is SIN? Anything without faith. What is the proper understanding of faith. It's when God's Word is revealed through scripture or Spirit and you respond properly to it. Thus when Moses is read..... Act 15:21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues." or God's Word is given forth or revealed and it speaks to you... you respond properly(faith) or you don't (sin) If you don't respond properly you are missing the mark thus is sin. To know to do right and doeth not it is SIN!

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,

what law??? Does God's nature change?

Rom 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

If you are ignorant of God's will/law your knowledge will not condemn you but if you know what to do and doeth it not per God's revealed Word to you it is sin. As you have not repsonded properly(faith).


Heb 11:6 And without faith(proper response to his Word or works) it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

The law cannot be done away as it judges and heaven and earth shall pass away before can be done away. Because judgement canot be if there is no law.

Rom 5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.
1Co 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.


Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." Also he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
Rev 21:6 And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
Rev 21:7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."


Rev 22:3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

Rev 22:11 Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."


Was this spoken of by our Messiah?

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (MAKE THEM FULL OR REVEALED OR KNOWN) He did and still is!
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. (WHICH IS THE JUDGMENT OF ALL MENS SINS AND DEATH IS DESTROYED)
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Yes it made you free form the bondage that your FLESH caused. You are never free from God's laws! His law did not cuase your problem, your flesh did. You are a servant to whom you obey! To God or to the flesh. You have been given power to overcome but if you choose the flesh you will die. How can you die if law still does not have power in your life? Law cannot be done away! It is your flesh that fights the commandments/will/word of God.

Rom 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God (or at enmity), for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

As Paul said, Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

1Co 7:19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

this is done through FAITH(proper response) to the leading of the Spirit.

As Abraham kept God's word so do we also to keep covenant.

Gen 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be blameless,
Gen 17:2 that I may make my covenant between me and you, and may multiply you greatly."
Gen 17:3 Then Abram fell on his face. And God said to him,


Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." The man of Faith's covenant was dependant on HIS repsonse to God's laws etc...

We now as Gentiles have the law written on the heart. What law?

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law(MOSAIC COVENANT) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

God will judge your level of response to his LAWS and seeking him!

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Read Dt. 28. That tells the consequence of broken covenant under the Mosiac Law. I believe the events of 70 AD are Dt. 28 fulfilled.

There are about 7 major covenants between God and man in the Bible. In the eastern mindset, a covenant contained a "law." Therefore "laws" are stipulations of the larger covenant.

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As posted above....

The law cannot be done away as it judges and heaven and earth shall pass away before can be done away. Because judgement canot be if there is no law.

Rom 5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.
1Co 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.


Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." Also he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
Rev 21:6 And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
Rev 21:7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."


Rev 22:3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

Rev 22:11 Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."


Was this spoken of by our Messiah?

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (MAKE THEM FULL OR REVEALED OR KNOWN) He did and still is!
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. (WHICH IS THE JUDGMENT OF ALL MENS SINS AND DEATH IS DESTROYED)
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Also ALL LAWS those of the physical universe are also hinged on this. All things have to be created NEW for his law to change the order of things in this creation and the aspect of fallen man. Until that day comes when ALL THINGS are created NEW and the current heaven and earth pass away. Law is still law! Our relationship may have changed but God's desire and his righteousness are still the same in this present age.

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yoU wiLl noT fiNd A JeWisH BeLIEVer WhO BeLIEVEs thAt the ABrAhamIC CoveNeNANT endEd WitH thE LAw or ThAt the LAw RePlaced thE evErLastINg CoVenaNT GoD MaDe wiTH AbrAhaM.

PaUl teLLs Us thaT the GOSpel waS PreaChed to AbRaHAm on The BaSIS oF a PrOmiSe thAt in His LoiNs LaY the PrOMisE oF FAith. It IS FuLfilleD in JeSuS CHrIST anD cOntINue wHEn IN FAith We RecEive HE whO MaKes EveN thE LaW PeRFect In Our LIves.

THe JeWs See the LaW as A WitnesS - or A MaRRiage CoNTRact - of The EverLasTing COveNAnt (PrOmisE) tHAt He MaDe to TheIR FaTher AbraHam.

DisPensAtIOnalISm is RearIng ITs Ugly HeAD in thIS tHReaD ....

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Dispensationalism is a lie and very ugly but that is for another thread.

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Yep not the same thing. One is God's law the other is the law of the flesh.

Romans 8 in which it is contrasted with the Law of the Spirit that do war. Which is the law referenced in Romans 2 which is written on our hearts.

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Also notice how the righteous requirement is fullfilled. Which also is a term used when he came to make the law more full.

Rom 8:4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

The two laws at war!

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The promise of Abraham though was obtained by doing what God told him. The result of such promises have to be obtained in the same way. As he did what God said so should we... Which is exactly what faith is.... the proper response to God's Word revealed to you.

As Abraham kept God's Word so are we also to keep God's Word and DO IT!

Gen 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be blameless,
Gen 17:2 that I may make my covenant between me and you, and may multiply you greatly."
Gen 17:3 Then Abram fell on his face. And God said to him,


Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

The man of Faith's covenant was dependant on HIS response to God's will/laws so is ours. The leading of the Spirit to fullfill the requirments of the law which are written on our heart.

Rom 8:4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

and

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

You are still judged by law.

Bearing Witness

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

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ThEY aLsO ArE Not CiRcUmCiSed On the BASIs OF the LaW but On the PrOmiSe mAde to THEir FaTHer AbRaham ThaT All NAtIonS WOulD bE blEssEd ThRoUgh His SeEd. IT iS SiGn of ReMEmBErIng THIs ProMIse. PaUl SAys it iS The GOspEl PReaChed BEForEHaND:
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ThIS CovEnanT wAs CONFirmed In the ScHool TeAcHer: the LaW:
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ThRoUGh thE PrOMiSe oF the SpiRit. OuR BAptISm inTO CHriSt WhICH HaPPenS At FAiTh WE ArE ClOtHed wIth HE whO MaKES the LAw PerFeCt In Us:

NoW ThAT FAiTh (oR the FuLFiLLMeNt Is Come) anD We ArE BApTIzed BY HiS SpIrit:

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"In covenant theology scripture looks upon all history as a progressive revealing of this covenant of grace. It carries over the old order into the new in the sense that it is understood that the old covenant law is not done away with, rather it is completed for the believer in Christ. In this way, the old has become new. The true Israel of God was always been the select congregation (i.e., individuals rather than a nation), and the old covenant saints always depended on Christ, rather than their own works. Not one old covenant Israelite was Saved by works, except it was by the work of Christ. The scriptures teach that the old covenant law is still binding, but we can only keep it in Christ Jesus. In Him alone we keep it perfectly. Jesus taught that what He came to do in His life, and the work that He accomplished, was the fulfillment and the substance of all the old covenant 'shadows or types.' Those laws are all kept in Him. No one was ever Saved by the blood of a literal lamb being slaughtered. The old was merely a picture of the new (or true) that was coming."

I would very much agree with this for the most part.

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I would agree but the FAITH is the continual response to the Word or Spirit in our lives. It is one who continues to abide in him and his Word. One who continues after the leading of the Spirit. The Spirit wil not bring you into Sin nor will the Spirit contradict himself or break his covenants etc... If we follow the leading of the Spirit we are in liberty as our heart is at one with HIS heart and will in our lives.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Repentance is the proper response to God's Word as it is our turning away from flesh to Christ in baptism which unites us to Christ and his work and atoning sacrifice/blood/death. Thus we see the realization of promises through the symbolic of baptism by proper response(faith) to God's leading and message and good news.

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I edited the above so You might want to adjust it. I accidently pushed the respond or something. I also agree we are only made alive by the Spirit as One must be born of Water and Spirit.

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Which would be the living Torah in our hearts! Thus will obey God's law and his commandments! As the leading of the Spirit is the LAW of God. Thus we fullfill the requirements of the law. As JEsus promised and at that more perfectly or full than the 613 commandments could ever have done as leading of God is there for every situation in reference to his written Word..

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One must understand the Jesus is the very expression of God. His Word! All things that proceed forth from God is truth thus law! The law was a type of Christ. Who can fullfill the law perfectly than that which is the Word/mind of God expressed. Torah is the teaching of God not just limited to the meaning of LAW! There is only ONE teacher and that is Christ! Thus he is TORAH! He teaches and leads us in truth/law! Thy Word is truth...

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.