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Pants wearin' women--where do you draw the line?
I have gotten over the dresses/skirts only--pants issue long ago. I admire people like my wife who wear only dresses as a dedication to the LORD and as a sign of submission to me. It does not have anything to do with heaven/or hell; just a personal dedication.
BUT....... I have noticed a trend in the TV, WOF and Charistmatic preachers. Their wifes started to preach in the pulpits, (Gloria Copeland, Taffy Dollar, Paula White, Sheryl Brady, Bynam, Myers, etc. etc.) and, GENERALLY, when they first started they wore dresses, then pants suits, then dress slacks. YESTERDAY....I saw a woman on GodTV teaching/preaching in tight--very tight---jeans. I have seen other women on other Christian Networks wearing tight jeans in the choir, leading worship...... So if we accept that there is not dress "standard" that it is personal......do we accept women in our pulpits looking "any ol' way" ???? What is next? Shorts? Is there no good taste left? Why do people seem to think they can come to church dressed worse than they would to go out and eat a $50 meal????? |
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i am one too that is against pants, well i am a con, there ya go,
anyway, i think it is sad that they bring these woman and treat them like a piece of meat, i know it will get worse in time,just get ready cause here it comes, we cannot change them but thats the way they want to be, then they will do what they want, |
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As to the issue of casual attire of ladies behind the pulpit, is it not possible they are merely taking the men's lead? More and more I see men standing behind the sacred desk in jeans. Praise and worships leaders with their shirt tails out. While I understand your lamentation I would not lay charge solely at the ladies in that regard. |
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Jim, Most of us were taught to look and wear our best to the house of God especially if we were in any leadership role/capacity. I do prefer dresses in church but the world we live in, most especially Texas is such a casual place...but it scares me when we become casual about God and the things of God. Blessings, Rhoni |
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I actually prefer to preach in my underwear while smoking a cigar :tease
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The key word in all this is modesty. We must, men and women, be modest in all things. We must continue in the arena of holiness which the Lord graciously provides us at the new birth. Tight pants have no place on a mature believer, especially a minister.
I wear jeans to church, but if possible, never to minister in. |
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I wear pants to church midweek lots of times. Wednesday nights are extremely casual, as a lot of people come straight from work. But I'm not in the pulpit; if I was, I would probably wear a dress, or at least a very dressy pantsuit. I almost always have a dress on for Sunday mornings, but there are a few exceptions. No one thinks about it one way or the other.
For our Sunday platform, the women either have to have dresses/skirts to the knees or long pants, but no jeans. Midweek they can wear jeans to sing if they want, but we do teach modesty in all things. Women know when they're dressing seductively and they know that they shouldn't - and not just in church! |
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tight pants, women and modesty. Wow how far society has fallen. Actually it's about modesty and clear distinction but hey.....
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Interesting thread so far.
We have a good mix in our church. Lots of dresses and lots of ladies in pants if they desire. Since the bible makes no requirement one way or the other we don't either. I'd personally rather have a women come wearing nice pants tht a frumpy dress. I did not say all dresses are frumpy....but I've seen a few. |
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Society as a whole is very "dressed down" for all occasions. I was surprised at how some were dressed recently at my daughter's wedding. |
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I would have to agree. Things are a lot more casual these days. I think its your own preference. I wore a suit since I was 10 going to LA Youth Camps. Always wore a suit to church.
But, hey I may be preaching in a suit this Sunday, and and Tucked out shirt and Jeans, the next. However, I do agree that if your leadership requires a suit. Then thats what you need to do. I will say this tho. Some people are intimidated by a suit. Go ahead and laugh, but it is true. A few years ago, our Pastor started dressing down(sportcoat, shirt untucked, and jeans) when he went to the same places of business, restrauants, etc. It was unreal at the people that started saying, Hey Pastor, How are you doing. These were not church people. But 90% are now. Just a thought. God bless you all. |
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In a conversation once, I was told that if you go to a very nice restaurant, you can tell the folks that can't really afford the meal- they're the ones who are dressed up. There's a restaurant called FOGO De CHAO about 5 blocks from the White House in DC. Fancy, shmancy, expensive restaurant. I took my parents there and we were dressed up. No one else was dressed up like we were and we were dressed in church clothes. I went back a few months later and people were looking at me funny with my jeans and a tucked t shirt. Oh well. |
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So if you were a pastor, would you draw a line? Where? It seems that in many churches and TV ministries that a line is non existant!! I answered prayer lines a few times at Morris Cerrillo when he tried to take over old Jim Bakker PTL, we could have been seen by TV cameras and he said all women in dresses and all men had to wear jackets. He still wears a coat and tie. |
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Message to believing men: Get in relationship with your God, and with your wife, and lose your acute awareness of every lady that walks by, she is not thinking about you. |
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When my conservative Dad first saw me preach in jeans and shirt tail untucked. I wondered what he would say. Being he had pastored in the upc, the last 30 years. All he said was, why should I say anything, looks comfortable, and if you saw it on TV, so what, we've(UPC) talked about others(anybody other than UPC) for years, but, we continue to read their books, sang their songs, and buy thier materials.
So, Go and tell someone about Jesus. They will probally listen better if you got your Jeans on. Think about what Jesus wore. There was some fancy stuff back then. But, what did he chose? |
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Great admonishment! |
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My own feeling is that anyone - man or woman - who is "up front" leading a choir, singing, worship leader, teacher, preacher - whatever; that they should dress modestly and in such a fashion so as to NOT be making themselves the spectacle. There are plenty of venues for that sort of expression - and not all of them are "evil," per se. However the church is for worship, and that worship is to be directed toward the Lord. Anybody who dresses to get in the way of that worship is tacky at the very best - but idolotry does come to mind as well. |
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Jeanie,
I really do appreciate those kind words. And he is a really cool dad. Great preacher also. |
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When a woman is in the pulpit and their jeans are so tight there is a V in places where we should not see the V expect in the bedroom, then somehow I think you have to put the responsibility on the wearer of the clothes and the producers of the TV and pastors who allow them on their platforms. Agreed? |
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It's not all just about women. |
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AHMEN! You can tell.
You know the other night my wife said.........I wonder how come you never hear the guys in tight pants being preached too. She said, if its not a sin. Its Gross!!!! |
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I think it does come down to preference. I choose to wear jeans mostly and also at church. Often times it is with a dress shirt untucked. It depends my mood. I am always modest though. I think sometime people outside the church or in what this movement calls 'the World' sees preachers in a suit as being stuffy and thus the church being stuffy. There is a rather large church out here in the west valley. It is VERY large. The pastor is known as thee blue jean preacher. Most every service he wears a somewhat hawaiian shirt and jeans. There was a great article a few years ago about him and the church in one of the papers here. Many, many of the church members interviewed said that the way he dressed influenced them to go to that church, but the teachings and ministering is what kept them. I wonder if this could work in other parts of the country?
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Living here in Memphis when Cogic comes to town it is amazing all the spectacles they create and the opinions of people in the city. I was raised to always were my best when going to church. Some people's best is jeans and a t-shirt and if the church is only in suits and $200 dresses, then they feel out of place. |
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I watch almost zero of TV preaching so I just don't see the things you are talking about. |
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My thing is modesty. What men or women choose to wear can harm their testimony and credibility with a lost world. I can honestly say that for the seven years Jamie and I have been married, she's never embarrassed me or looked unmodest anywhere we've went. Whether we've been 1000's of miles away from home or in our town, she's always represented herself and Christ in the highest form. To me that's what's more important than the what's and where's. |
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I always tell my ladies group if I wear anything that would hinder you precious sisters just let me know...I try to be an example to our church and hope that is what I have always been. Since I never know when I might get called to the front to say something I try to always look nice as possible.
I love my black skirt and there are so many things hat match black. I could not begin to imagine Brother Alvear in the pulpit in jeans...It is just not his custom...however he does not always wear a suit but he looks nice. I know different things work for different people...I hardly think my son Arlei would wear a suit to the jungle! However my son Raul Jr would not go to his downtown church without a suit. Some of my boys... http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...Marcela021.jpg |
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and still have more boys!
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I was thinking about this and I am curious what you people think and feel if anything when the preacher steps up to the pulpit in a pink tie, a pink shirt, or ridiculous cufflinks (Which is very interesting to me how that some ULTRA ULTRA conservative guys are now wearing). Do you have concerns that they are wearing gay apparel.
I am sure we could start a thread and keep it going for days on the good bad and ugly stuff we have seen the ministry wear. Ladies in Jeans? In the pulpit? Nah, but again and again and again, I am more concerned about me and my household, but consider, the initial post mentioned what, 10 women? How many does that compare to those who aree actually working in the trenches. Should all be judged by a just few? You guys keep admonishing me for broadbrushing, but hey, you need to look in the mirror now and then too. |
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Now I have a nausiated stomach... :ursofunny |
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I'm out!
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