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berkeley

07-29-2008 10:42 AM

Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. response

I just opened my mailbox. I have a response from the Billy Graham Evangelical Association concerning the oneness movement.

ChicagoPastor

07-29-2008 10:53 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

share with the rest of us!!!!!!!!

berkeley

07-29-2008 10:54 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

This was at the end of the message:

Quote:

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berkeley

07-29-2008 10:55 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

But I will say, BG may not care if Indians worship the wind or whatever, the association doesn't have a good opinion of us. Well, the "bapticostals" fit right in with the B.G.E.A.

rgcraig

07-29-2008 10:57 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 549718)

This was at the end of the message:

Then you could have just pm'd her.

berkeley

07-29-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 549722)

Then you could have just pm'd her.

Naw, I'll post it in a bit.

MissBrattified

07-29-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

Okay, then, Berk, summarize the email without quoting it word for word. You can tell us what it contained, without quoting it. :rolleyes2

berkeley

07-29-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

BTW, that's a lovely pic in your avatar, Renda.

Ron	07-29-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

Billy Graham is a puppet of the New World Order I am afraid!

tamor

07-29-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 549722)

Then you could have just pm'd her.

Nah, he gets attention this way! :whistle :tease

berkeley

07-29-2008 10:59 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

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Originally Posted by tamor (Post 549728)

Nah, he gets attention this way! :whistle :tease

Didn't stop you from fanning me with a palm branch and feeding me grapes. :ursofunny

tamor

07-29-2008 11:00 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 549729)

Didn't stop you from fanning me with a palm branch and feeding me grapes. :ursofunny

Sleep in ya pj's cause you're dreaming!! :snapout

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

rgcraig

07-29-2008 11:06 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 549725)

BTW, that's a lovely pic in your avatar, Renda.

Thank you - that's my daughter.

berkeley

07-29-2008 11:06 AM

Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. response

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from Help@bgea.org <help@bgea.org>
to
date Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM
subject Email Response for

hide details 8:53 AM (1 hour ago)

Reply

Dear Bryon,

Thank you for contacting us.

We appreciate the confidence you have shown in this ministry as you seek our opinion regarding the “Oneness Pentecostal” movement. While it is not our custom to comment on specific denominations, we do share concern when a theological and practical application put forth by a group does not line up with Scripture. This is the case with this group of churches.

This group denies the Trinity, teaches that baptism "in the name of Jesus" is necessary for salvation, and requires speaking in tongues as evidence that one has received the Holy Spirit and is therefore truly born again. Church members are often expected to follow a strict code of behavior, which may become a means of maintaining their relationship with Christ. Any one of these doctrines sets them apart from most Bible-teaching, evangelical churches.

While faithful Christians may have minor doctrinal differences, it is very important to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ accurately and be assured that we are saved by faith in Christ alone-not faith plus something else (Ephesians 2:8-9). Requiring certain behaviors or experiences in order to be saved (such as baptism in Jesus' name, speaking in tongues, or following a strict code of behavior) can obscure the simple Gospel and cause confusion in the Christian's life. If you are looking for a church home, we would encourage you to avoid this group.

The true church is composed of the "called-out ones," those who have repented of their sins, sought God's pardon, and accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior. They have been born again, as set forth in the plan of salvation; see John 1:12-13, 3:1-7, 5:24, 6:37; Romans 10:8-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; 1 John 1:7-9, 5:4, 5:9-13; and Revelation 3:20. They are then a part of God's family; read Ephesians 2:19. You become a member of God's family the moment you become a Christian. This is why you will want to join with other believers in an organized church. We believe that any church is right which exalts Christ, honors God, believes the Bible, preaches the Gospel, and points sinners to the Savior. You can join that kind of church and worship God in spirit and in truth, enjoying the fellowship of God's people regardless of what name the church might bear.

We pray that the Lord will enrich your life, filling you with all joy and peace in believing.

Sincerely,

Jamie M. Adams (lw)
Christian Guidance Department
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association

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berkeley

07-29-2008 11:07 AM

Re: Sherri Cupples!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 549736)

Thank you - that's my daughter.

She gets her looks from her mama.

Sherri

07-29-2008 11:50 AM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

So, Berk, did you write a letter to them "posing" as someone interested in going to a oneness Pentecostal church?

MissBrattified

07-29-2008 11:52 AM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 549772)

So, Berk, did you write a letter to them "posing" as someone interested in going to a oneness Pentecostal church?

What are your thoughts on the content of the reply?

berkeley

07-29-2008 12:22 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 549772)

So, Berk, did you write a letter to them "posing" as someone interested in going to a oneness Pentecostal church?

No. I wish I would have saved a copy of the message that I sent, but it was sent via the "form" available on their website.

I asked if they B.G.E.A. has an official position in favor of or against the oneness movement. Posing as someone interested in a oneness church would have been dishonest. Though, I did not tell them that I am from a oneness background. I didn't see the need to disclose such information. That may have prompted the B.G.E.A. to not answer my question, or to water down their response.

Ferd	07-29-2008 12:35 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

well, at least they got what we believe moderately correct. thats better than some.

I still dont get why beleiveing Acts 2:38 adds to "faith alone" but accepting Jesus Christ as your savior doesnt.

if you ask me Billy Graham needs to get baptized right. (where is Old Paths infamous thread?)

StillStanding

07-29-2008 01:28 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

Well, there you have it! This is what the Christian church at large thinks about Oneness Pentecostals.

Quote:

This group denies the Trinity, teaches that baptism "in the name of Jesus" is necessary for salvation, and requires speaking in tongues as evidence that one has received the Holy Spirit and is therefore truly born again. Church members are often expected to follow a strict code of behavior, which may become a means of maintaining their relationship with Christ. Any one of these doctrines sets them apart from most Bible-teaching, evangelical churches.

No amount of schmoozing will diminish this thinking. They will only think that we are "looking their way!"

Although this description on Oneness churches is correct of conservative churches, it's not accurate for more liberal Oneness churches.

1. I don't deny the existence of the trinity. I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I happen to believe these three are one. Isn't that like saying that they deny Jesus?

2. I believe baptism in Jesus name is the correct way to baptize, but I won't say that baptisms in the titles will necessarily ........ your soul.

3. I do believe speaking in tongues is evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

4. Of course, I don't believe the strict "code" that the conservative Oneness folks believe.

With that said, I don't like to hear "outsiders" try to explain what we're all about in a negative way.

berkeley

07-29-2008 01:30 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

PM,

Sherri doesn't believe that Billy Graham knows squat about the oneness message and Jesus name baptism. It looks like the Billy Graham Evangelical Association doesn't have their head in the sand.

StillStanding

07-29-2008 01:34 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 549879)

PM,

Sherri doesn't believe that Billy Graham knows squat about the oneness message and Jesus name baptism. It looks like the Billy Graham Evangelical Association doesn't have their head in the sand.

OIC! :)

Jack Shephard

07-29-2008 01:53 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 549877)

Well, there you have it! This is what the Christian church at large thinks about Oneness Pentecostals.

No amount of schmoozing will diminish this thinking. They will only think that we are "looking their way!"

Although this description on Oneness churches is correct of conservative churches, it's not accurate for more liberal Oneness churches.

1. I don't deny the existence of the trinity. I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I happen to believe these three are one. Isn't that like saying that they deny Jesus?

2. I believe baptism in Jesus name is the correct way to baptize, but I won't say that baptisms in the titles will necessarily ........ your soul.

3. I do believe speaking in tongues is evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

4. Of course, I don't believe the strict "code" that the conservative Oneness folks believe.

With that said, I don't like to hear "outsiders" try to explain what we're all about in a negative way.

I agree, but with that being said I don't think they like us outsider being negative towards them either.

Sam	07-29-2008 02:02 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 549877)

Well, there you have it! This is what the Christian church at large thinks about Oneness Pentecostals.

No amount of schmoozing will diminish this thinking. They will only think that we are "looking their way!"

Although this description on Oneness churches is correct of conservative churches, it's not accurate for more liberal Oneness churches.

1. I don't deny the existence of the trinity. I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I happen to believe these three are one. Isn't that like saying that they deny Jesus?

2. I believe baptism in Jesus name is the correct way to baptize, but I won't say that baptisms in the titles will necessarily ........ your soul.

3. I do believe speaking in tongues is evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

4. Of course, I don't believe the strict "code" that the conservative Oneness folks believe.

With that said, I don't like to hear "outsiders" try to explain what we're all about in a negative way.

I agree with you on this.

If they have been around OP's much they've probably heard us rail about how trinitarians believe in "three gods" and heard us blast and belittle the doctrine of "the trinity." OP's and trinitarians often do not honestly describe the beliefs of each other.

Sherri

07-29-2008 05:30 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

The boy that lives with us and attends Christ for the Nations Bible college told me that he has a professor that went off about oneness Pentecostals and was making fun of them and their beliefs. I tried explaining to him the difference in oneness and trinitarianism, but there are some inconsistencies on both sides. That's why we don't use either term, because neither is biblical. But I know what I believe; I just don't think everyone else has to understand it exactly like I do.

I am surprised at the response from the BGEA, by the way, Berk. However, most mainstream denominations would say anyone who denies the trinity is in false doctrine. I'm like Pianoman - I don't deny the trinity, but I do not think there are three separate distinct personalities that work independent of each other. I think they are all One.

At the end of the day, I just have to admit that as a finite creature, I DO NOT understand an infinite God.

berkeley

03-05-2018 02:27 PM

Re: Sherri and those interested: the B.G.E.A. resp

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