Lucifer
 

We know from the temptation of Christ, that Lucifer knows the scriptures... If he knows from scripture that his destiny is the lake of fire, why does he continue to deceive and rebel against God? I am referring to the time he is loosed after the 1000 years and goes to deceive the nations of Gog and Magog once again. Why doesn't he repent? Is repentance not available to him?

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Correct, repentance is not available to him.

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Think he would repent, if he could?

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No.

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Is he stupid?

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Yes.

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That's one of the benefits of being human. There has been a sacrifice made worthy of our salvation and we now have repentance available to us.

Lucifer cannot repent and I don't believe he would if he could.

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what grounds does God have to punish Lucifer if he can't repent? Lucifer is bound for 1,000 years and put into a bottomless pit. Revelation says he must be loosed for a season. Why?

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I'm not so sure that an opportunity for repentance wouldn't be available to him. He just wouldn't take it......

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Who says God has to have "grounds" for what He does? (Besides me!) He killed children. Ordered His army to kill babies. Burns billions of people in hell for the "sin" of never hearing His "Gospel". But hey. He's God. He can do what He wants.

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In an attempt to entirely change the subject, the name Lucifer is first found in Isaiah but it seems that word is a latin word for something akin to "son of the morning star" which is also a discription of Jesus in revalations.

has anyone else heard this?

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Yes.

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And we are obligated to worship that baby-killer. Amen?

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You are now making me uncomfortable....


(ferd steps back before lightening strikes....)

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Timmy, don't push your luck.

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It's His business...

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Did God kill babies or not? Don't you believe the Bible? Does the Bible offend you or make you uncomfortable??

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The Bible doesn't offend me... does it offend you?

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BTW, that little "report post" button is always an option!

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Yes.

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So I take it you don't read it, or own one? :)

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I note the smilie, but are you seriously implying that anyone who reads the Bible would not be offended by it?

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I'm seriously implying that anyone who was so offended by it, would get rid of it, and not be on a forum that promotes it. I think, in spite of the lack of faith, you want to believe... and are looking for a reason to.

Pop Psychology... :D

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Ah, I see. :thumbsup

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You skipped the first two questions!

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1 Corinthians 1:18-19 NIV
18 "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

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The Lord gives and the Lord takes away... Blessed be the name of the Lord!

Though He slay me, YET will I trust Him!

Regardless of what God DOES to me or ALLOWS to happen to me, HE IS STILL WORTHY OF MY PRAISE AND ADORATION! Not because I'M OBLIGATED, but simply because He's God... He's the Creator... He loved me enough to provide me with a way of escape, which He did not have to do. He could have just allowed the whole world to go to Hell, but that's not His desire. He loves you too Timmy, regardless of whether you believe it or not.

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Is that a yes? Is it correct to say that God is a baby-killer?

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Timmy I would never say God is a baby-killer... least of all the way you say it. You walk on dangerous ground I think... and I won't walk there with you.

I do believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God and is completely true.

It does not offend me, because I know in whom I have believed.

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What's the difference how it is said? Is it true or not? Let me ask a bit less offensively, then:

Did God kill babies?

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Did God kill people in the flood?

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God did destroy men, women and children alike.
That same God preached to those in prison, after He had given His life for us...

Fear not the one who can kill the body, but the one who can put both body and soul in hell.

Timmy, I will not mock God or the Bible along with you.
As much as I like you.

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The Bible says He did. Do you believe that story?

Is everyone afraid of answering my question?

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Timmy, I'm not sure where you're trying to take this, but I'm not going there with you. There is no question that God does things that I do not really understand, but that's why He's God and I'm not. I trust Him COMPLETELY... I trust His Word...

I ran my life my own way for nearly 17 years and it wound up in shambles. I rebelled against the ways of God... I rebelled against the Word of God... I even finally came to the place that I questioned whether there is a God... Finally though, when my heart stopped on a trauma unit gurney and I was revived, I was ready to surrender. Timmy, I surrendered my life to God and submitted it to Him and He completely transformed me and through my submission to Him, my life finally found purpose and meaning and today I trust Him above anyone or anything, especially above myself. I've had many tragedies in my life, but I still love and trust my wonderfully good God.

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I'm not afraid of answering your question at all, but I feel like you're trying to lead this conversation somewhere that I don't believe we need to go.

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Closest I'll get to a yes, I suppose.

I'm not mocking God. The Bible? Not sure I'd call it mocking. Challenging the belief of its infallibility and inspiration, sure.

If it's offensive to think of God as a baby-killer, I really don't understand why the Bible doesn't offend you. It's how God is described in the supposedly true descriptions of what He has done.

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Timmy, if God chose to "KILL" everyone on the face of this planet, it's His sovereignty that gives Him that right and He alone and it would not in anyway change the fact that He's STILL a good God! Mankind is in sin and because of that sin we DESERVE whatever God decides to give us and if that's death and hell, then that's what we deserve. However, Again Showing His Goodness, He provided a way out by taking on flesh and receiving our punishment upon Himself. He didn't HAVE to do that! If He didn't do ANYTHING else for humanity, He's already done more than enough at the Cross. Believe it or not! One day you will and I sincerely pray that it's on this side of eternity.

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When you are filled with the Spirit we can discuss this more.

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You are correct. You don't need to go there. You don't need to respond to my questions, either. In fact, you may need to put me on ignore (if I'm not banned in the near future!). Some people are secure enough in their beliefs that they don't mind exploring other possibilities. Some are not. That's fine.

I just think it's funny that some will say they believe the Bible, and yet they are not comfortable in drawing logical conclusions from what it actually says.