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Hoovie 07-31-2008 11:56 AM

Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Yes, this is about standards.... you can leave if you have had your fill.

I have observed some conservatives are very uncomfortable with Christians (or even non-Christians for that matter) who are more liberated than they are themselves.

As a conservative:

1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more liberal lifestyle?

2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in slacks and earrings, or a man in shorts
worships God with you at church?

3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?

4. Are you content to show your more conservative lifestyle as appealing, or do you feel compelled to inform them they are mislead?

Disclaimer: Concerning dress and adornment my family and I live quite conservatively - even by UPC standards. My wife and children have long hair (even uncut) and they do wear skirts rather than pants. We wear very little jewelry and my own ears aren't pierced etc... But we do not look down on others - niether in word or practice. We have had many discussions in our community about our modest dress (partly due to the TV show we were part of) but never with the attitude of superiority because of our choices.

Cindy 07-31-2008 12:00 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
No.

Mrs. LPW 07-31-2008 12:00 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
No
No
No
Not sure I understand the question.

1Corinth2v4 07-31-2008 12:03 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 552206)
Yes, this is about standards.... you can leave if you have had your fill.

I have observed some conservatives are very uncomfortable with Christians (or even non-Christians for that matter) who are more liberated than they are themselves.

As a conservative:

1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more liberal lifestyle?

2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in slacks and earrings, or a man in shorts
worships God with you at church?

3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?

4. Are you content to show your more conservative lifestyle as appealing?

Disclaimer: Concerning dress and adornment my family and I live quite conservatively - even by UPC standards. My wife and children have long hair (even uncut) and they do wear skirts rather than pants. We wear very little jewelry and my own ears aren't pierced etc... But we do not look down on others - niether in word or practice. We have had many discussions in our community about our modest dress (partly due to the TV show we were part of) but never with the attitude of superiority because of our choices.


They've been liberated from their walk with God.
Do I become irate with their decision, no, it's their choice.

Hoovie 07-31-2008 12:05 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 552211)
No
No
No
Not sure I understand the question.

Sorry, I now added to that question.

Also, I did change the thread title - if that helps.

I am really asking if you are uncomfortable with those of a more liberal persuasion (concerning dress) - and if so, to what degree?

Hoovie 07-31-2008 12:06 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 552212)
They've been liberated from their walk with God. Do I become irate with their decision, no, it's their choice.

Thank You.
This is the kind of honesty I am looking for.

Pro31:28 07-31-2008 12:09 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Nope, oh wait I have been liberated... to a closer walk with God.
It's not about the outside... it's the heart! So yes I would be considered a liberal, But I am closer to God now than I have ever been, by realizing that for me, There is nothing I can do to earn favor other than live in His light.

Timmy 07-31-2008 12:11 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
1. :toofunny

2. :toofunny

3. :toofunny

4. :toofunny

Hoovie 07-31-2008 12:13 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro31:28 (Post 552219)
Nope, oh wait I have been liberated... to a closer walk with God.
It's not about the outside... it's the heart! So yes I would be considered a liberal, But I am closer to God now than I have ever been, by realizing that for me, There is nothing I can do to earn favor other than live in His light.

OK then.

I failed to mention, I am really wanting these answers from those in the moderate to conservative camp (as far as their daily practice).

You liberals can post if you like, but the questions really will not apply to you.

thanks!

Pro31:28 07-31-2008 12:19 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 552223)
OK then.

I failed to mention, I am really wanting these answers from those in the moderate to conservative camp (as far as their daily practice).

You liberals can post if you like, but the questions really will not apply to you.

thanks!

:club OUCH!


:friend

1Corinth2v4 07-31-2008 12:30 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 552218)
Thank You.
This is the kind of honesty I am looking for.

You did understand my answer, correct?

Hoovie 07-31-2008 12:37 PM

Re: Do Liberated Christians Incite Anger in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 552241)
You did understand my answer, correct?

Oh, I think so. While I don't agree with you, that they are "liberated from their walk with God", I still thank you for being honest with your own thoughts.

Mrs. LPW 07-31-2008 01:01 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Well if we're being honest. I was at one point. Years ago when some dear folks to me first changed, but not any longer.

And I continue to live as I live, unto the Lord. Not hoping to be a witness to anyone other than the 'neighbour' who has never heard the Gospel.

I have close family and friends who would be under the label liberal... it doesn't affect our relationship as family and friends.

I don't agree with everything they do. They know that, they know why, we don't discuss it any further.

Pragmatist 07-31-2008 01:08 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Well, I am a liberal, but I am definitely uncomfortable when people dress in an immodest fashion. I hate tight clothing: pants, skirts, dresses, T-shirts, sweaters, etc. And I do find myself being judgmental at times...

Sassy 07-31-2008 01:13 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more liberal lifestyle?
No...This is a lifestyle that I chose. I have family and friends that are not of the same faith. I do not condemn them. This a choice that I made....just like it is choice that they have made.

2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in slacks and earrings, or a man in shorts
worships God with you at church?
NEVER....I was once there myself.

[3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?
If they ask ....I will gladly tell them why I live the lifestyle that I live...but no, I do not stop people on the street and tell them that they are going to hell because they don't live the way that I do.

4. Are you content to show your more conservative lifestyle as appealing, or do you feel compelled to inform them they are mislead?
I feel the same as above here. If they ask....but we do stand out because of conservative lifestyle.

Sassy 07-31-2008 01:20 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
I would like to also add....for people that are of the same faith...oh...how I can I word this.....
maybe that used to be like me...and now have made some changes.
My feelings haven't changed towards them...but the relationship is not the same. I don't know for sure....but maybe I make them feel uncomfortable because I still stayed the same. Keeping in mind that I don't go there with standards. it is not discussed.

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 02:31 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
[QUOTE=Stephen Hoover;552206]
As a conservative:

1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more liberal lifestyle?
No.
2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in slacks and earrings, or a man in shorts
worships God with you at church?
No.
3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?
No.
4. Are you content to show your more conservative lifestyle as appealing, or do you feel compelled to inform them they are mislead?
I line up to what my Pastor teaches and preaches. If a person does not line up to what their God called Pastor teaches.. we pray for them and try to encourage and strengthen.

Pro31:28 07-31-2008 04:32 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy (Post 552312)
I would like to also add....for people that are of the same faith...oh...how I can I word this.....
maybe that used to be like me...and now have made some changes.
My feelings haven't changed towards them...but the relationship is not the same. I don't know for sure....but maybe I make them feel uncomfortable because I still stayed the same. Keeping in mind that I don't go there with standards. it is not discussed.

I know, I know I am not supposed to be here...
But we have family that I would consider con-- We actually spent Christmas with them. There is no issue for my immediate family, and I don't think that there is for theirs either. In fact, our kids shared clothes (none of the ones they borrowed from my daughter were immodest in their sense of the word), but I will say that aside from clothing we tend to be a little more conservative in our lifestyle and what we allow, than they do. So we lay it all out and everyone is respectful.
We LOVE each other, and though we may not agree on some things, neither one of us are out to change the other. I LOVE being around my Con family, and I think they like us too!
Oh and we do discuss it... but it always in loving terms

OK, OK The Lib is leaving now....

Rico 07-31-2008 04:42 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
This is a true story:


Shortly after I left the uc church I used to belong to, I got a phone call from one of the brothers of that church. He wanted to know how I could stand worshipping in church with women that cut their hair, wore pants, wore jewelry, etc. I told him it was easy. I generally have my eyes closed during worship, and, when they are open, I am not looking for reasons why I will let someone hinder my worship in the first place.

He just could not believe that it didn't bother me that I was worshipping with people who were at different levels. I reminded him that the Bible does not place any restriction on someone worshipping and praising God. I also let him know that his church in no way had an exclusive claim on God, regardless of how holy they thought they were. He never called me again. LOL

Sassy 07-31-2008 04:47 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro31:28 (Post 552518)
I know, I know I am not supposed to be here...
But we have family that I would consider con-- We actually spent Christmas with them. There is no issue for my immediate family, and I don't think that there is for theirs either. In fact, our kids shared clothes (none of the ones they borrowed from my daughter were immodest in their sense of the word), but I will say that aside from clothing we tend to be a little more conservative in our lifestyle and what we allow, than they do. So we lay it all out and everyone is respectful.
We LOVE each other, and though we may not agree on some things, neither one of us are out to change the other. I LOVE being around my Con family, and I think they like us too!
Oh and we do discuss it... but it always in loving terms

OK, OK The Lib is leaving now....

lol...please stay...your welcome! :friend
It is funny...I can really relate because I have three sides to the scenario...I am the only one in my family that is apostolic....and then on the in-laws...there is a mixture of standards. My husband is 5th generation. We really enjoy being together also. The ribbing is always humorous. Some friends have been a different a story, sad to say.

Praxeas 07-31-2008 04:51 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552405)
I line up to what my Pastor teaches and preaches. If a person does not line up to what their God called Pastor teaches.. we pray for them and try to encourage and strengthen.

Begs the question though...would a pastor be God called if he taught something different than your pastor? Or are you saying there are God called pastors that don't all teach the same things but even though they are not biblical you must line up with those doctrines?

Pro31:28 07-31-2008 04:57 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy (Post 552528)
lol...please stay...your welcome! :friend
It is funny...I can really relate because I have three sides to the scenario...I am the only one in my family that is apostolic....and then on the in-laws...there is a mixture of standards. My husband is 5th generation. We really enjoy being together also. The ribbing is always humorous. Some friends have been a different a story, sad to say.

Well the family that I referred to are the reason why I am saved, they drove me to church and prayed with me until I "prayed through". They laughed at me all the way home the night I got the Holy Ghost and talked in tongues in the car, while pulling down the visor, because I was so amazed! I owe so much to these people, I could never judge them for their choices... Only thank them for their goodness

and by the way my reference to I'm not supposed to be here was for Hoover's sake.. LOL

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 05:05 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 552533)
Begs the question though...would a pastor be God called if he taught something different than your pastor?
Yes.
Or are you saying there are God called pastors that don't all teach the same things but even though they are not biblical you must line up with those doctrines?

No.

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:14 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552558)
No.

Please explain your answer.

Brad Murphy 07-31-2008 05:16 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
I'm just waiting for someone to start the thread for cons...

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 05:18 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 552563)
Please explain your answer.

Ask me a direct question.

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:18 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552571)
Ask me a direct question.

would a pastor be God called if he taught something different than your pastor?

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 05:19 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 552572)
would a pastor be God called if he taught something different than your pastor?

Yes.

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:21 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552574)
Yes.

Must you align with unbiblical teachings taught by a God called pastor?

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 05:23 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 552576)
Must you align with unbiblical teachings taught by a God called pastor?

Of course not. IMO. He wouldn't be God called if what he taught was unbiblical.

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:25 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552581)
Of course not. IMO. He wouldn't be God called if what he taught was unbiblical.

God-called ministers teach 'traditions' all the time. Do you disagree?

Brad Murphy 07-31-2008 05:30 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552581)
Of course not. IMO. He wouldn't be God called if what he taught was unbiblical.

Exactly... :) and since what is unbiblical is subjective to each person's opinion and personal interpretation of scripture...

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 05:38 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 552584)
God-called ministers teach 'traditions' all the time. Do you disagree?

No I do not disagree. If you do not think traditions are at all important.. we differ.

Your Oneness Apostolic?

Baron1710 07-31-2008 05:39 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552626)
No I do not disagree. If you do not think traditions are at all important.. we differ.

Your Oneness Apostolic?

Is that your insult line anytime someone says something you don't consider apostolic?

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:39 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552626)
No I do not disagree. If you do not think traditions are at all important.. we differ.

Your Oneness Apostolic?

Yes

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:40 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 552632)
Is that your insult line anytime someone says something you don't consider apostolic?

Let it go... :)

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 05:44 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 552632)
Is that your insult line anytime someone says something you don't consider apostolic?

No. This is an Apostolic forum and I like to know with whom I am communicating. Many people post here that are not oneness.

Is that answer ok.

berkeley 07-31-2008 05:51 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 552651)
No. This is an Apostolic forum and I like to know with whom I am communicating. Many people post here that are not oneness.

Is that answer ok.

There was nothing wrong with your question.

Tim Rutledge 07-31-2008 06:00 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 552670)
There was nothing wrong with your question.

I didn't think so, I never meant to offend.

CC1 07-31-2008 06:03 PM

Re: Do Liberals Incite a Negative Response in You?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pragmatist (Post 552294)
Well, I am a liberal, but I am definitely uncomfortable when people dress in an immodest fashion. I hate tight clothing: pants, skirts, dresses, T-shirts, sweaters, etc. And I do find myself being judgmental at times...

I agree..........on fat girls!:snapout


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