Abortion, Where Do You Stand?
 

Sadly, there are some who profess christianity who believe that a woman should have the choice of rather she would like to have an abortion or not.

Where do you stand, is it a life or a choice?

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it is a baby, therefore a life, and should be protected, i stand on that, dt

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I vote murder.

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And your supporting Obama who belives it is ok to murder a baby both in the womb and out of the womb?

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I don't think dt is supporting obama.

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You didn't read his avatar very closely

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ok, I see now the avatar confused me at first.

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ok i like you vrb, but i dont know how you would get to the conclusion that i would ever support obama, but just so you know, not a chance in heaven i would vote for that socialist, faker, dt:snapout

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It is murder, and if you are okay with it -you have the spirit of a murderer!

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I'm glad to hear that. I did not look at your avatar very closely at first.Sorry!

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I tried to tell him, but he wouldn't listen.

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no prob bro, glad to be on the right side of the issue, lol

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I think he's trying to pick a fight with you.

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Personally, I detest abortion too much to allow it to become a political ploy, football, or talking point.

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I had a family member who had an ectopic preganancy. Did the doctors "murder" a child or "save a life" when they terminated?

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What do you think?

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And yet here we are discussing abortion.

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got ya bro e, welcome friend, dt

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I believe Abortion is Murder, yet I am pro choice.

I believe people have a choice in not having relations, I believe they have choice in contraceptions if they can not control themselves.

I believe Abortion is being used as birth control & is an offense to God!
When I told a sinner friend of mine my stance, he saw another side of it instead of trying to trump womyns rights!

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It has been a talking point issue that has garnered free passes for long enough. It is frequently one of the most important considerations when choosing who will lead the free world, yet we seem content with its continuation and alarming prolification even while those people are in office for decades. I guess I'm just not big on talk...especially on an issue that is morally significant to me. Rhetoric is not good enough for me, but it does seem to appease the masses on both sides of the political spectrum.
Conservatives tend to blast Obama supporters for being swayed by rhetoric with no real course of action, yet many accept it in the area that is one of the most important in their political decision making process....very confusing.

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This is tough for me. I voted it is a womens right. I DO think it is sin!!!! I am going under the assumtion that by voting "a womens right" that also means a "womens right to choose." I think it is the WRONG choice and IS SIN, but it still is infact their right to choose at least here in America it is.

I AM NOT FOR ABORTION FOR ANY REASON. Just wanted to make it clear why I voted the way I did. I look at it like if anyone of any gender commited a murder it would be by thier choice to do it so that is why I chose my answer the way I did.

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My understanding is.. 12-24 hrs. after conception there is a drop of blood in that human life. Anything that assists in keeping that human life from going on to maturity is.. for lack of a better word, a murder.

We need to be sensitive towards the issue. Most women who have had abortions are guilt ridden and do not need to be called out and out murderers.

This subject hits home to me big time. I hate abortion. And would never vote for anyone who advocates it. That would make me guilty of supporting it.

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Heheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeee! Tell the truth, DT. You secretly admire Obama. :lol

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I think that the poll might have benefited from having a broader perspective of the issue. To say abortion is "always murder" as the poll appears to attempt to say is to ignore a lot of human suffering that goes on beyond the technical definitions of "murder."

For those not familiar with it - an ectopic pregnancy occurs when the fetus is implanted and develops within the fallopian tubes. Once the size of the baby is great than the diameter of the tube - well, both mother and baby die. The only way to save the mother is to terminate the pregnancy.

It's rather hard for a caregiver to break such sad news to an expectant mother. Things just get worse when you call the mother a "murderer." Or imagine turning to the father and saying, "I need you to sign the execution order so that the hospital isn't responsible for the murder of your child - you must accept responsibility for this murder!"

The father then responds, "What if I don't sign...?" The answer is shouted back - "Then you've murdered both mother and baby, you callow swine! Hell's too good for you!"

The mother faints to the floor, her body convulses occasionally with sobs. "So what's it gonna be, Killer?" the doctor demands of the father. "Do we snuff the dame and the baby or just the baby?"

I would prefer to avoid such an upsetting conflict, especially in a public place like a hospital.

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VBs bias is showing in the choices he offered us in this poll. He conveniently left out the one for those of us who believe abortion is wrong, but do not believe we have the right to force our religious beliefs on others. It's a bogus poll.

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I agree that the poll is too narrow. I think abortion as a form of birth control is reprehensible. However, as pelathais has stated, there are circumstances where I think it is definitely the woman's choice and she and her husband should make a decision prayerfully. There are severe birth defects that are incompatible with life, other severe conditions where the baby might live, but could require round the clock care for life. Yes, God can heal, but doesn't always, and I would never judge someone else for a decision to terminate a pregnancy in those circumstances.

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I had an ectopic pregnancy 20 years ago. I have never felt any condemnation or felt that I murdered the baby. It was a necessary thing if I wanted to live.

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Very good post. You are right. I guess I should have been more clear.

I am speaking of those who have abortions simply for convenience.

Also, Brother Rutledge you make a very good point. I know women who have had abortions in their past. They have repented and God has forgiven them. Sadly, many of them continue to live with the guilt of a bad choice.

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people make their choices when they choose to have unprotected sex. Abortion is not an option, nor should it be a fix for mistakes.


any other scenario, well, it's not the fault of the unborn child and you have to trust God

Abortion is MURDER

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That about sums it up for me. Making it illegal would do very little to curb the problem, IMO. I abhor the idea of abortion, would do everything in my power to discourage a woman from having one, but making it ultimately her decision instead of the government's decision in no way shows my support of abortion.

Education and personal attention beats legislation every time. Taking it out of the hands of the federal government is a very Republican concept - not sure why people don't understand this perspective.

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It's a tough choice for anyone to have to make. My first wife got two abortions (not while we were married), and she lived with horrible guilt over it.

There are some things about our abortion laws that I believe need to be changed. I think there should be a mandatory waiting period, along with counseling on all the options available to women. I also am not in favor of late term abortions.

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When I was 17 yrs old a man at my church was 89 yrs old his name was Bro. Chadwell. BC told me once that when he was 19 that he had gotten a lady pregnant and they had a abortion. He told me that everyday for the rest of his life he thought about it and regretted it. I am not certain if he was telling the truth or not other than when he told me this he said it with tears in his eyes. This is a story I tell people that I know when they talk about abortion

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We do not believe we have the right to force our "religious beliefs" on others? What kind of stupidity is that? Religious, moral, civil beliefs are forced upon people all day long:

1. Prostitution is illegal in almost the whole USA except parts of Nevada.
2. Drug use is illegal
3. Polygamy is illegal
4. Child pornography is illegal
5. Smoking in public places is illegal in many places
6. Public nudity is illegal
7. Lewd behavior is illegal
8. You have to drive with a seat belt on
9. In many places you can't talk on your cell while driving

Why don't we abolish all laws so that we don't impose a belief on someone? So why do we apply that stupid argument to killing human life??????????

To abolish abortion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a woman's right to choose or imposing a religious belief on someone. It has to do with murder! It has to do with a civil society.

If you want to deal with a woman's right to choose then we need to abandon laws on prostitution and the rest of the items plus about 1,000 more that are listed above.

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I'm very sorry about your experience, Traci. Sadly this world seems to demand as much or even more than it seems to give by way of life.

I felt that VB's poll was a bit abrupt - and he agrees. Of course my subsequent post was sarcastic - but you don't have to agree with me on that. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif

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Ditto.

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Personally (and I take a strong position on abortion) I would never consider your case as abortion in the terms of the context of this forum. You made the right choice!

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Here is an example of you making a judgement call based on your opinion (which I agree with), but the point is that the issue of when it becomes murder is subjective to many people. It's not that (most) people think murder is ok, it's that they can't agree on when life begins - and they use that ambiguity to justify their decisions. I know you know this, but you must realize that is the crux of the debate. You can cry MURDER!, MURDER! all day long, but unless someone agrees with your definition of murder, it means nothing.

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It baffles me to no end, DS. If you ask someone if the government should have the right to force someone into a believing any particular religious beliefs, including believing in God in the first place, they will tell you no. However, they have no problem whatsoever with the government forcing women to have babies against their will.

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What you don't seem to realize is that the law doesn't prevent me from becoming a prostitute, using drugs, marrying more than one woman at a time, watching child porn, smoking, flashing anyone I want, engaging in lewd conduct in public, driving without my seatbelt, or talking on a cell phone while driving. It only imposes penalties on me for doing so. That's the difference.

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I do understand what you don't understand is that the 10 commandments don't stop you from committing adultery, stealing or killing it just imposes penalties for doing so. That is what "standing for" something is.

Get a clue!