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Tyk 08-08-2008 09:26 AM
Help on Hair
 
Someone asked my advice on hair. I do NOT want to start a thread discussing Hair, cut, trimming, uncut , holy magic, or any thing AT ALL.

If you just post links, i'll be 100% happy. If ya'll want to argue some more, that's fine, but that's not what I want.

What I told her was to read scriptures, pray, ask God to lead her, then do a full study, or look for other full studies.

I found a very good "pro-cut" article. I told her not to assume it is the truth, because anyone can write an article on just about anything, and be convincing.

Infact I can find several "pro-cut" articles with some good research and logic to give to her, but I don't want to flood her with one sided view.

The point - What I need is a links, or a very good post with facts, logic, history, research and not just a bunch of "i feel this", or "this means this" without offering some type of proof.

I don't mean that slanderous, I'm just serious. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or searching with the wrong words. :) I know the conclusion I come up with when I did this research, but I want this person to feel they looked at it all, and came up with what they feel is the right choice.

Thanks for your help in advance.

rgcraig 08-08-2008 09:28 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ght=uncut+hair

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ght=uncut+hair

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ght=uncut+hair

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ght=uncut+hair

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ght=uncut+hair

Jack Shephard 08-08-2008 09:34 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyk (Post 560438)
Someone asked my advice on hair. I do NOT want to start a thread discussing Hair, cut, trimming, uncut , holy magic, or any thing AT ALL.

If you just post links, i'll be 100% happy. If ya'll want to argue some more, that's fine, but that's not what I want.

What I told her was to read scriptures, pray, ask God to lead her, then do a full study, or look for other full studies.

I found a very good "pro-cut" article. I told her not to assume it is the truth, because anyone can write an article on just about anything, and be convincing.

Infact I can find several "pro-cut" articles with some good research and logic to give to her, but I don't want to flood her with one sided view.

The point - What I need is a links, or a very good post with facts, logic, history, research and not just a bunch of "i feel this", or "this means this" without offering some type of proof.

I don't mean that slanderous, I'm just serious. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or searching with the wrong words. :) I know the conclusion I come up with when I did this research, but I want this person to feel they looked at it all, and came up with what they feel is the right choice.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Might be tough to find a lot against hair cutting on here, but good luck in finding all the info you are looking for.

rgcraig 08-08-2008 09:36 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Newman has some good stuff, but I'm not sure it has ever been posted on AFF.

Brad Murphy 08-08-2008 09:49 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
All ANYONE has is their opinions of what scripture means.

MissBrattified 08-08-2008 09:51 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
I would suggest NO articles. Just a Bible and a concordance. No one else's opinions to color personal interpretation.

Tyk 08-08-2008 09:54 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Thanks you, i found some useful material.

rgcraig 08-08-2008 09:55 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 560455)
I would suggest NO articles. Just a Bible and a concordance. No one else's opinions to color personal interpretation.
And continue to pray as you study.

Tyk 08-08-2008 10:05 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 560455)
I would suggest NO articles. Just a Bible and a concordance. No one else's opinions to color personal interpretation.
I did :)

She wanted some more depth, or research. Trying to give her articles that make sense and don't have alot of "personal interpretation" in them. Although of course - that's impossible, but close to the mark as I can get.

Edit: She did read and use a concordance, but she felt it didn't satisfy her.

COOPER 08-08-2008 10:18 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 560455)
I would suggest NO articles. Just a Bible and a concordance. No one else's opinions to color personal interpretation.
strongs?

Tyk 08-08-2008 10:27 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 560479)
strongs?
That's what she had available, I recommended an online place that gives you multiple conc. and sometimes some history of the word/s.

jaxfam6 08-09-2008 10:15 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 560455)
I would suggest NO articles. Just a Bible and a concordance. No one else's opinions to color personal interpretation.
That is what I did. I had questions on my thoughts and opinions and had read some "uncut" articles, which was how I was raised. So I decided to read the Word and study the meanings of the words. That is how I came to my conclusions. Along with PRAYER.
I am for the long hair but I am not an uncut = long hair person either.

The Mrs 08-09-2008 10:42 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 560447)
Newman has some good stuff, but I'm not sure it has ever been posted on AFF.
No, they haven't been posted here, but I have the articles available and can email them out. If anyone wants them, just PM me your email addy. :thumbsup

smurfette 08-09-2008 01:31 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 560974)
That is what I did. I had questions on my thoughts and opinions and had read some "uncut" articles, which was how I was raised. So I decided to read the Word and study the meanings of the words. That is how I came to my conclusions. Along with PRAYER.
I am for the long hair but I am not an uncut = long hair person either.
I have had uncut hair for almost 20 years now, however, I no longer believe that it has anything to do with salvation. But as I have studied over the years I don't think uncut = long hair either. This to me is one confusing issue. When I study it out wanting it to mean uncut, I can see the uncut. When I study it out wanting it to mean long but trimmed, I can see it is "ok" to trim it. When I study it out wanting to do what God wants, I'm confused and see it both ways. I just wish that there were a few more scriptures on it in the bible.

I'm just glad that the judgemental mindset that I used to have is gone. I remember the many times when a young girl or grown woman would cut "trim" their hair that I thought that they were backslid and going to hell. I feel bad now that I used to think that way.

Rhoni 08-09-2008 01:45 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfette (Post 561029)
I have had uncut hair for almost 20 years now, however, I no longer believe that it has anything to do with salvation. But as I have studied over the years I don't think uncut = long hair either. This to me is one confusing issue. When I study it out wanting it to mean uncut, I can see the uncut. When I study it out wanting it to mean long but trimmed, I can see it is "ok" to trim it. When I study it out wanting to do what God wants, I'm confused and see it both ways. I just wish that there were a few more scriptures on it in the bible.

I'm just glad that the judgemental mindset that I used to have is gone. I remember the many times when a young girl or grown woman would cut "trim" their hair that I thought that they were backslid and going to hell. I feel bad now that I used to think that way.
The reason that there are so few scriptures on the subject means it is not a very important one/matter of heaven or hell. The ones written Paul states are his opinion seen through the culture of his times but he also states..."We have no such custom".

Blessings, Rhoni

smurfette 08-09-2008 01:54 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 561039)
The reason that there are so few scriptures on the subject means it is not a very important one/matter of heaven or hell. The ones written Paul states are his opinion seen through the culture of his times but he also states..."We have no such custom".

Blessings, Rhoni
I agree with you Rhoni. I guess old habits are hard to break. Also the pressure of disappointing family members. Long line of OP's. It would grieve them if I did it. I don't want to hurt them. However, they do know what I think about it.

Rhoni 08-09-2008 03:00 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfette (Post 561045)
I agree with you Rhoni. I guess old habits are hard to break. Also the pressure of disappointing family members. Long line of OP's. It would grieve them if I did it. I don't want to hurt them. However, they do know what I think about it.
The mind control goes deep. When my life is out of whack, so to speak, I am no better than the woman who stays in an abusive relationship; I gravitate toward going back to what is familiar to me: the shame, blame, rules, and the constantly trying to prove oneself.

Then last night I heard what I needed to hear. The time for me to continually try to 'prove' myself is over. God does not make mistakes. He who hath begun a good work in me will complete it and all the things that God blessed me with, calling, position, and ministry are mine. God will take care of all of it - in His time.

The difficulties, sins, and trials have happened to give me a testimony. That testimony will propel me into the destiny God has always had in mind. I had to become dead to self-will, and the bondage of legalism that would keep me trapped and living below what God has intended.

I refuse the bondage that 'legalism' includes...some of which is trying to do or not do something to gain approval so that maybe, someday, someone will use me...although...there are no promises [with man].

No one can stop the plan of God for a person's life. God will always have the final say. I believe His report: I am forgiven, I am restored, and God will use me to lead others to the throne. This goes for all of you out there also who are trying to live a lie to keep someone, or gain someone's approval. Be true to God and yourself and help others, through example, to break those legalistic strongholds that keep you bound.

Blessings, Rhoni

theoldpaths 08-09-2008 04:14 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyk (Post 560438)
Someone asked my advice on hair. I do NOT want to start a thread discussing Hair, cut, trimming, uncut , holy magic, or any thing AT ALL.

If you just post links, i'll be 100% happy. If ya'll want to argue some more, that's fine, but that's not what I want.

What I told her was to read scriptures, pray, ask God to lead her, then do a full study, or look for other full studies.

I found a very good "pro-cut" article. I told her not to assume it is the truth, because anyone can write an article on just about anything, and be convincing.

Infact I can find several "pro-cut" articles with some good research and logic to give to her, but I don't want to flood her with one sided view.

The point - What I need is a links, or a very good post with facts, logic, history, research and not just a bunch of "i feel this", or "this means this" without offering some type of proof.

I don't mean that slanderous, I'm just serious. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or searching with the wrong words. :) I know the conclusion I come up with when I did this research, but I want this person to feel they looked at it all, and came up with what they feel is the right choice.

Thanks for your help in advance.
How about also telling her to look at the word of God and seeing what it says about hair - 1 Cor 11?

Rhoni 08-09-2008 05:12 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theoldpaths (Post 561113)
How about also telling her to look at the word of God and seeing what it says about hair - 1 Cor 11?
We've looked at that in every translation and come up with different answers. Some things are not meant to be black or white...they are just trivial to God. He looks on the heart and there is no hair there...to my knowledge:tease

Blessings, Rhoni

theoldpaths 08-09-2008 06:09 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 561151)
We've looked at that in every translation and come up with different answers. Some things are not meant to be black or white...they are just trivial to God. He looks on the heart and there is no hair there...to my knowledge:tease

Blessings, Rhoni
1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Yes God looks on the heart, but man looks on the outward appearance and since man looks on the outward appearance, if we don't follow peace with all men AND holiness, how shall MAN see the Lord in you? That is why the NT contains some outward instructions.

We are not just to follow peace with all men, but also holiness.

Now just because God looks on the heart, does that mean we are to toss every word of God out the window that does deal with the outward appearance? Does the word of God contradict itself? Does God not know what he is talking about? Do you believe that all scripture is given by inspiration (God-breathed) of God?

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jesus said he had MANY things to say, but they couldn't bear it until after they got the Holy Ghost. After they did get the Holy Ghost, God did command some more things, as the word says...

1 Corinthians 14:37 - If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Peter also confirmed that what he wrote was the word of the Lord...

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Now if it is in the word of God, it is there for a reason - God has a purpose.

1 Cor 11 starts out...

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1Co 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

He told them to keep them so that they would what? Keep them. And he goes on to write about something that he wants them to KEEP. Now if God wants us to keep something, would he write it in a way so that those who are born again of the water and the Spirit not understand it? After writing about what he wants them to keep, Paul had this to say...

1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

I wonder what 1 Cor 11:16 says in different versions of the bible?

It seems quite clear to me that the instructions on hair was given to the churches of God to be kept and that the churches of God had no such custom of people being contentious with it.

Come on now!

Are we trying to make the word of God be some kind of mysterious document that only a special few (catholic priests?) can truly understand what it is saying?

Rhoni 08-09-2008 06:59 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theoldpaths (Post 561167)
1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Yes God looks on the heart, but man looks on the outward appearance and since man looks on the outward appearance, if we don't follow peace with all men AND holiness, how shall MAN see the Lord in you? That is why the NT contains some outward instructions.

We are not just to follow peace with all men, but also holiness.

Now just because God looks on the heart, does that mean we are to toss every word of God out the window that does deal with the outward appearance? Does the word of God contradict itself? Does God not know what he is talking about? Do you believe that all scripture is given by inspiration (God-breathed) of God?

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jesus said he had MANY things to say, but they couldn't bear it until after they got the Holy Ghost. After they did get the Holy Ghost, God did command some more things, as the word says...

1 Corinthians 14:37 - If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Peter also confirmed that what he wrote was the word of the Lord...

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Now if it is in the word of God, it is there for a reason - God has a purpose.

1 Cor 11 starts out...

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1Co 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

He told them to keep them so that they would what? Keep them. And he goes on to write about something that he wants them to KEEP. Now if God wants us to keep something, would he write it in a way so that those who are born again of the water and the Spirit not understand it? After writing about what he wants them to keep, Paul had this to say...

1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

I wonder what 1 Cor 11:16 says in different versions of the bible?

It seems quite clear to me that the instructions on hair was given to the churches of God to be kept and that the churches of God had no such custom of people being contentious with it.

Come on now!

Are we trying to make the word of God be some kind of mysterious document that only a special few (catholic priests?) can truly understand what it is saying?
OP,
I respect your opinion on this matter but do disagree with your interpretation.
Blessings, Rhoni

HeavenlyOne 08-10-2008 12:12 PM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Funny how man are quick to show women how 'holiness' they can look to others when they themselves have difficultly looking different from many other clean-shaven, worldly men in suits and ties! LOL!

I'm glad that I can see Jesus in people, both men and women, who don't have on the advertising signs. I've found out that some who advertise their 'holiness' really don't have it!

Holiness is a matter of the heart, not in the clothing and hairstyles one has on.

comeasyouare 02-16-2013 09:40 AM
Re: Help on Hair
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyk (Post 560438)
Someone asked my advice on hair. I do NOT want to start a thread discussing Hair, cut, trimming, uncut , holy magic, or any thing AT ALL.

If you just post links, i'll be 100% happy. If ya'll want to argue some more, that's fine, but that's not what I want.

What I told her was to read scriptures, pray, ask God to lead her, then do a full study, or look for other full studies.

I found a very good "pro-cut" article. I told her not to assume it is the truth, because anyone can write an article on just about anything, and be convincing.

Infact I can find several "pro-cut" articles with some good research and logic to give to her, but I don't want to flood her with one sided view.

The point - What I need is a links, or a very good post with facts, logic, history, research and not just a bunch of "i feel this", or "this means this" without offering some type of proof.

I don't mean that slanderous, I'm just serious. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or searching with the wrong words. :) I know the conclusion I come up with when I did this research, but I want this person to feel they looked at it all, and came up with what they feel is the right choice.

Thanks for your help in advance.
Please direct all concerned to www.studyholiness.com


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