Steve Pixler - Technology and Dominion - Must hear
 

As many of you, Bro. Steve Pixler is one of the most brilliant minds in Pentecost. He recently preached in Calgary, Alberta on "Technology and Dominion". I am listening to it now, and it is very interesting. It is almost 2 hours long, although he is such a good teacher that it doesn't seem that long.

http://www.truthchurch.com/page.php?ID=23

There is also other messages that he preached at that camp.

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I'm starting to listen now and am intrigued.

I will give my "feedback" after it is done or I feel I have the gist of things. :)

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He starts getting into the gist of it about 40 minutes into it. He lays a big foundation. :) But you have to listen to all of it, to get the whole picture.

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Is there a Readers Digest version?

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Wow...... He explains the difference between internet and TV in a very powerful way.

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Folks, I just finished listening to a message that every Apostolic needs to hear. I encourage you to listen to it.

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So tell us something about it.

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no way-- and spoil it for the rest of us-- you just gotta hear it for yourself!

:)

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I'm nearly done, but there are some serious issues here.

For one he makes many good observations about technology but makes enough errors as to be dangerous.

The whole thing is an ant-TV rant -but made to sound much more deep, at least during the first half.

To sum up the first 30 minutes. Gold is good, but the golden calf that Israel made is bad. That is the gist of it.

TV = the golden calf, and is irredeemable.

Sometime during the middle he makes a very good point that "apostolics" shouldn't copy the world but lead the world in talent, art, inventions, and every other definable skill. So why didn't he then promote higher learning to accomplish this? In one hand, his type of thinking doesn't encourage imagination and creativity yet imagination IS what is required to achieve great things.

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hmmm... I note that so far, those who would tend to agree with Bro. Pixler's view are unable to sum that view up.

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why?
What is so important about knowing the difference between Internet and TV? BTW anyone know the difference between a Computer and a TV set?

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HAHAHAHA....... There are too many good things in this message to be able to summarize effectively. You need to listen to the whole thing in context.

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He made some great points, but also personally holds the opinion that first and foremost, TV is bad. It is almost if God DID send him this message, but then he turned around and fit it into his own preconceived mold. This would account for the parts that truly sounded inspired with those that sounded MUCH more force.

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Ok, so in other words because there is a difference between TV and Internet that makes Internet good and TV bad? There is a difference between fornication and murder but both are bad

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According to him, the TV represents the Golden Calf. And goes into great lengths why TV should not be used by any apostolic minister because of its very nature -which is to ingrain images into your head, because of the image itself and because of the effect it has on the attention span (of course he brings up MTV as an example -a network that no one watches).

He ALSO goes into the fact that apostolics should be leading the charge in technology and art. How can we do that if we spend all day in church services and our women spend all day at home?

And finally, if TV is so effective at implanting images and ideas.... then why are we not using it??????

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So much of the sermon was based on the fact that technology is NOT inherently bad.

But then he forces this message into his own "manual" idea that TV IS bad (of course this gets the most 'amens' from the crowd).

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When I go to the set up screen on my television I see the IP address that is assigned to it; and it's a public IP not anything like APIPA that the cable company uses on their internal network.

I can go to work an PING my television. The TV is an Internet node.

And, most UPC preachers whose computers I have worked on have TV tuner cards already installed. This means that their "computers" are televisions - fully capable of receiving broadcast, cable and/or satellite television signals.

And I further note, that the only refutation to my last post in this thread was, "HAHAHAHA..." Sounded like nervous laughter. Can't you sum up the message in your own words?

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Based on the shouts of the audience during the sermon, he was strictly preaching to the choir from the manual......

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But Pixler's not UPC and I don't believe that church is either, anymore. What manual? Another novelty. Whatever happened to the Old Paths?

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Im not surprised

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I have not listened to the message but I'm sure Elder Pixler has sought The Lord and fasted,and delievered what he felt he should.
I'm need to listen to the message,but I believe the brother is a man of God.

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I believe it WAS an inspired message. The problem was is that he received this revelation and (at least in part) was forced to adapt it to beliefs he already had -in a rather awkward way.
It was just enough to nearly ruin it for me.

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In other words the "revelation" was we can or should use technology....the addition was "but tv is evil"

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In my opinion if one form of media is evil then it all is.
The usage of media is what makes it good or evil.

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Exactly. He was *almost* there..... but then segway'ed into TV for 20+ minutes and why the medium of television is *NEVER* good.

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can someone tell me why they say segwayed? I know what one of those are, how did the word get used this way?

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I would agree alot of stuff of tv is not good for you,but alot of stuff online ain't good for you either.

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I don't know the origin and am too lazy to look it up, but it's just a close word for tangent (or moving tangent)-and hear it used a lot myself the past year.

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What is it about ultra cons and 2 hour sermons? Do they not think they can get a point across in a reasonable amount of time?

From what I am hearing about the first 40 minutes being great and setting some great principles out only to then have them moulded to preconceived notions and positions must also be an ultra con device because that is exactly what the ultra con pastor from Colorado did at the AMC conference in Nashville I heard. The first 45 minutes could have been preached at Christ Church but then when he got to the application of his sermon he applied it in an extreme way to justify him not allowing anybody in his church to have the internet and nobody under the age of 18 can have a cell phone. Can you say cult?

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I don't know if you have listened to Bro. Pixler's message or not, but he was very clear that he needed all of that time to get his point across. Sometimes, it does take more than 20 minutes to get all of your message conveyed correctly.

He did hold my attention and I think that he held his audiences attention for most of the 2 hours. He is a very capable teacher.

Paul, the Apostolic (who was also an ultra-con, by this forum's definition) preached long sermons as well. We know of at least one person that fell asleep and fell out of the window during his sermon.

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A preacher segwaying from one part of the sermon to another is an amusing word picture, but I expect he really meant that the preacher segued from revelation to opinion.

segue

1. Music. To make a transition directly from one section or theme to another.

2. To move smoothly and unhesitatingly from one state, condition, situation, or element to another: “Daylight segued into dusk” (Susan Dworski).

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Thank you.

However, to add to the confusion of some readers the phrase "segwayed" is thrown about in a clever off-handed manner. It's a sort of faux naivite in which the two wheeled scooter is substituted for the traditional use of segue as you've defined above.

London's TimesOnline famously (or infamously) confounded the terms and then instead of trying to appear clever they caved and confessed ignorance and corrected the offending verbiage (24th paragragh - be warned, the language is coarse - typically Labour Party British).

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I did listen to it, painful as it was to listen to someone go off topic about every other minute. This was poorly put together in terms of time management. One rabbit trail after another, what took him an hour for background could have been effectively delivered in no more than 10-15 min.

As for his main point? TV is unusable because the gold from the golden calf was ground up (making the leap that it was not redeemable)...I fail to see the connection here.

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If you just take his three main points about technology you will do fine (and could easily fit it in a 15 minute sermon).

1. discernment
2. discipline
3. dominion

The problem is he says these are not possible with TV. The Form of TV is in and of itself sinful, "Form is corrupt, not just the content." Yet he talks about youtube and watching "clips" on the computer.

How out of touch is this message? He thinks MTV is the standard in television and that MTV is all about playing music videos.

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I disagree with many of your posts on this thread. Steve Pixler does not chase many rabbits, but says most things with purpose and intent.

He said alot of things in context of the entire message, but the following was his main point in my view.

He talked about gold and how that God made it, however man made a form out of it that was unacceptable, and therefore God called gold an idol and rejected it on his people. (Not trying to start a wedding band argument, although it applies)

The same is true with TV. God made the capabilities, but man has perverted the very medium, and therefore it cannot be used by God's people. The very medium to be successful needs to editted to appeal to the senses. The very nature of the medium brings the message and messenger into its submission.

He used the scripture where Paul stated that he would brought under the power of no one. It is a powerful application.

That is my understanding from what I remember and everything in his message related to this overall theme.

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Classic error, instead getting rid of the idol in our hearts, the outward is far easier and pays less dividends.

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God made a classic error when he told them to get rid of their idols which was physical jewelry.....?

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Um where exactly is that???

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If a preacher were to segway from one part of his sermon to another he would have to be careful not to fall off and hurt himself!

Someday I am going to segway. I could have rented a segway in Honolulu earlier this year but I think they were around $100 for an hour.

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OT which as a shadow of the reality to come, remember the New Covenant changes man from the inside out. Not the other way.