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Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:08 PM

General Conference Registration Fee News
 
We had our sectional conference recently, and our DS told us that the reason for the fee is because GC went in debt $500,000.00. When several ministers asked why, he said he was not privy to that information.

He stated that everyone would be required to pay the $25 registration fee, and that any local guests (sinners) would be required to pay as well. He stated that we (ministers) should be willing to pay their entry fee for them.

What happens when this entry fee doesn't fix the problem?

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54188)
We had our sectional conference recently, and our DS told us that the reason for the fee is because GC went in debt $500,000.00. When several ministers asked why, he said he was not privy to that information.

He stated that everyone would be required to pay the $25 registration fee, and that any local guests (sinners) would be required to pay as well. He stated that we (ministers) should be willing to pay their entry fee for them.

What happens when this entry fee doesn't fix the problem?


Maybe for the (sinner) guests...We could call it a "Baptismal Fee"....


Good Idea... huh????


:D

SDG 03-27-2007 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54188)
We had our sectional conference recently, and our DS told us that the reason for the fee is because GC went in debt $500,000.00. When several ministers asked why, he said he was not privy to that information.

He stated that everyone would be required to pay the $25 registration fee, and that any local guests (sinners) would be required to pay as well. He stated that we (ministers) should be willing to pay their entry fee for them.

What happens when this entry fee doesn't fix the problem?

A half a million dollars!!!!!!

and you can't get answers to why???

and you the attendees have to pick up the slack????

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 54192)
A half a million dollars!!!!!!

and you can't get answers to why???

and you the attendees to pick up the slack????

Yes, you have captured the content of my original post quite well.

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:12 PM

Let's see... to make up $500,000 / 25 = 20,000 in attendance... Men Women

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 54196)
Let's see... to make up $500,000 / 25 = 20,000 in attendance... Men Women


There are not 20,000 in attendance. More like 14,000.

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:14 PM

if only 15,000 of those attending are adults...that would come out to 375,000.... thereby only costing HQ (which has no monies :D) 125,000

Now that is smart...

I guess the street meetings are over tho.. if we are charging the guest...

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:14 PM

I bet we can almost guarantee that fee will go up quite regularly in the years to come.

SDG 03-27-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 54198)
if only 15,000 of those attending are adults...that would come out to 375,000.... thereby only costing HQ (which has no monies :D) 125,000

Now that is smart...

I guess the street meetings are over tho.. if we are charging the guest...

minus the costs of the conference ... the speakers, the extras

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:15 PM

Okay let's say that 9,000 are adults.. that's only... 225,000...still saving money...

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:15 PM

And of course those that just come for the business session will not be charged a fee.

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:16 PM

My question would be will there be Check points and ushers calling people out..


"Excuse me Bro.. I don't see you pin??? I will escort you and your family to the door" :D

Digging4Truth 03-27-2007 01:16 PM

That must be quite a show for the price it is costing to put it on.

SDG 03-27-2007 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54205)
And of course those that just come for the business session will not be charged a fee.

Will the ultracons demand refunds if they walk this year??

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:17 PM

Well... The Suites at the HQ hotels are costly...

SDG 03-27-2007 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 54212)
Well... The Suites at the HQ hotels are costly...

and the fruit/gift baskets ... are getting more elaborate every year

ManOfWord 03-27-2007 01:18 PM

Hmmmm....so I guess I can't give a FREE play by play rundown from the conference floor in the future. I guess I'll have to charge everyone who wants to read my thread to read it. :D












(j/k we can't and won't do that)

Esther 03-27-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54188)
We had our sectional conference recently, and our DS told us that the reason for the fee is because GC went in debt $500,000.00. When several ministers asked why, he said he was not privy to that information.

He stated that everyone would be required to pay the $25 registration fee, and that any local guests (sinners) would be required to pay as well. He stated that we (ministers) should be willing to pay their entry fee for them.

What happens when this entry fee doesn't fix the problem?

I have done conference planning before and I know there are a lot of expenses.

I also know we didn't spend what we didn't have.

May mean you can't do all you would "like" to do, but such is life.

Surely, there is a mistake here somewhere.

revrandy 03-27-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 54215)
Hmmmm....so I guess I can't give a FREE play by play rundown from the conference floor in the future. I guess I'll have to charge everyone who wants to read my thread to read it. :D












(j/k we can't and won't do that)

MOW...Maybe this year you could slip the Usher $15.00 to get in.... and maybe even vote....:D

Malvaro 03-27-2007 01:20 PM

i'd rather download a MP3 sermon for free and listen to it going back and forth from work, for free.... not $25 + all the costs incurred going to a conference.... what a waste of money....

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 54212)
Well... The Suites at the HQ hotels are costly...

But those are necessary!
Don't you want God's people to have the very best?

Esther 03-27-2007 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54224)
But those are necessary!
Don't you want God's people to have the very best?

The very best that you can AFFORD. :)

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 54219)
I have done conference planning before and I know there are a lot of expenses.

I also know we didn't spend what we didn't have.

May mean you can't do all you would "like" to do, but such is life.

Surely, there is a mistake here somewhere.

I promise you, there is no mistake. Just a failure to budget properly.

Malvaro 03-27-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54199)
I bet we can almost guarantee that fee will go up quite regularly in the years to come.

I bet we also can guarantee that the "general public" who isn't voting will also stop coming to General Conferences.... until the UPC gets their act together and stops charging....

QueenEsther 03-27-2007 01:24 PM

I would think that this will not really solve the problem because once you start charging (especially that much) the attendance will probably drop.

Esther 03-27-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54228)
I promise you, there is no mistake. Just a failure to budget properly.

I hope we don't have the same team doing this years conference, if that is the case.

Need someone to guide who knows what budgets mean.

QueenEsther 03-27-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 54233)
I bet we also can guarantee that the "general public" who isn't voting will also stop coming to General Conferences.... until the UPC gets their act together and stops charging....

Exactly!

Esther 03-27-2007 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 54233)
I bet we also can guarantee that the "general public" who isn't voting will also stop coming to General Conferences.... until the UPC gets their act together and stops charging....

If I could afford to go to the conference I probably could afford the $25.00 fee.

HOWEVER, I may not feel obligated to give an offering. :)

Malvaro 03-27-2007 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54228)
I promise you, there is no mistake. Just a failure to budget properly.

I bet it would be fun sending in an independant, 3rd party auditing team to see if the UPC is "wise stewards" of their all their financial resources.... :happydance

Esther 03-27-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 54247)
I bet it would be fun sending in an independant, 3rd party auditing team to see if the UPC is "wise stewards" of their all their financial resources.... :happydance

Malvaro, that makes to much sense, cut that out. :)

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 54247)
I bet it would be fun sending in an independant, 3rd party auditing team to see if the UPC is "wise stewards" of their all their financial resources.... :happydance


It would be a lot of things, but fun, most assuradly would not be one of them.

Cotton Mather 03-27-2007 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 54245)
If I could afford to go to the conference I probably could afford the $25.00 fee.

HOWEVER, I may not feel obligated to give an offering. :)

Oh no, they will still take a huge two hour offering.

Malvaro 03-27-2007 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 54245)
If I could afford to go to the conference I probably could afford the $25.00 fee.

HOWEVER, I may not feel obligated to give an offering. :)

I could afford to go to Gen Conf and pay their "toll fee" too but have no intentions of doing so.... there are other conferences I hold in higher regard....

SDG 03-27-2007 01:28 PM

This is what I don't get ... how can it be in debt??? ... seriously ...

This is not the US gov't that can deficit spend ....

They got the money from somewhere to fund the last few GC's

Where did it come from ??? Was it loaned? Did they dip into other org funds?

Are we saying there are outstanding bills from previous GC's?

Someone please tell me ... how they can claim to have this debt ??? Are they filing bankruptcy if the $25 fee is not issued??

Esther 03-27-2007 01:28 PM

I need to say since I haven't heard the other side I really should temper my responses.

Sorry folks.

There may be more to the story than we know. Probably takes a person that was involved to reveal it, but I seriously doubt that we happen.

Esther 03-27-2007 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 54253)
I could afford to go to Gen Conf and pay their "toll fee" too but have no intentions of doing so.... there are other conferences I hold in higher regard....

Me too, but they won't let me in. :(

Esther 03-27-2007 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cotton Mather (Post 54252)
Oh no, they will still take a huge two hour offering.

They may have to "take" it to get it. :)

ChicagoPastor 03-27-2007 01:32 PM

We have to pay to go to General Conference...where business is conducted for the organization that we pay $300-400 and some a year to..after our ministerial fees were raised last year........not including the district dues we pay.

Malvaro 03-27-2007 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 54250)
Malvaro, that makes to much sense, cut that out. :)

I may be a UPC-party man in regards to Apostolic doctrine and holiness standards, but I'm not a "yes man" in regards to turning a blind eye to potential concerns or problems.... accountability is a Biblical principle....

Esther 03-27-2007 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 54266)
I may be a UPC-party man in regards to Apostolic doctrine and holiness standards, but I'm not a "yes man" in regards to turning a blind eye to potential concerns or problems.... accountability is a Biblical principle....

Again, agree.:friend


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