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Pretty interesting -

http://pentecostalpioneers.org/pioneerslist.html

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Cool info about people like Parr and Wigglesworth.

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i've always had questionmarks about and some of the stuff he did.

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I didn't see any Oneness folks listed there.

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Yet, they call them Pentecostal.

Do we know when the first "Oneness" folks came about?

And does that mean that all these men are not saved because they weren't baptized in Jesus name?

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I saw less facial hair at a ZZ Top concert! It's obvious those men weren't saved!!!

:snapout

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In The Phenomenon of Pentecost distributed by the UPC, the first Oneness or Jesus Name folks started after a camp meeting. So that is the "official" UPC version of the beginning of baptism in Jesus' name. Some others (a dwindling few since there has been no real proof of it) believe that there have always been folks since 30 AD until 2008 AD who have baptized by immersion in Jesus' name.

Here is the "official" version as found in pages 92-94 of The Phenomenon of Pentecost:

At the great worldwide camp meeting staged
in Los Angeles in 1913, there were hundreds of preachers
present from all over the Union and Canada. These
brethren had no need to come all the way from their own
churches to get in a revival, for they had revivals at their
home churches; however, they came. Brothers Scott and
Studd provided tents for a great crowd, but they were
snowed under with applications weeks before the meeting
started.

There was unquestionably a great revival. By a careful
count, 364 received the baptism, with the Bible sign
of speaking with tongues, within the four weeks of meetings.
However, the people were restless, inquisitive, and
on the tiptoe of expectancy. Early in the meetings the
preachers rebelled against turning the meetings over to
Mrs. Woodworth Etter. There was a great desire to hear
others of God’s servants, who might have a new message
that would take us forward to the glory and power of the
“faith once delivered to the saints.”

One day a preacher spoke from the passage in
Jeremiah 31:22. The very suggestion of God’s doing a
“new thing” struck fire in the minds and hearts of the
saints, and from then on to the end of the camp one could
hear expressions of the hope that God would soon do a
new thing for His people. The new thing was exhibited to
those who had ears and eyes to perceive it.

It was the occasion of a baptismal service in the pool
near the big tent. Brother Scott had selected Evangelist
R. E. McAlister to preach on the subject of water baptism.
The preacher preached along in the usual manner,
until he came to the division in his sermon of the different
methods of baptism versus the scriptural mode. He
mentioned the trine immersionist method—baptizing the
candidate three times, face downward. He analyzed it
thus: “They justify their method by saying that baptism is
in the likeness of Christ’s death and make a point from
the Scripture that Christ bowed His head when He died.”
Then he continued that the three dips or baptisms were
to honor each person in the Godhead—Father, Son, and
Holy Ghost. He concluded abruptly by saying “that the
scriptural answer to this was that the apostles invariably
baptized their converts once in the name of Jesus Christ,
that the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were never
used in Christian baptism.”

There was an inaudible shudder that swept the
preachers on the platform and the people in the vast
arena. The preacher noticed it and stood in awesome
silence. Brother Denny, a missionary from China who
was sitting down in the front row, mounted the platform
in one bound, took the preacher aside, and told him not
to preach that doctrine or it would associate the camp
with a Dr. Sykes, who so baptized.

Evangelist McAlister resumed his explanation and
said that he did not mean to convey the idea that because
the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ it was
wrong to baptize according to the formula in Matthew
28:19. Thus ended the confusion on the platform, and
the audience repaired to the baptismal service, but the
gun was fired from that platform which was destined to
resound throughout all Christendom, and that within a
year. The writer invited Brother McAlister to his home,
and he was in close proximity to him for months. On his
insistence, Brother McAlister explained his revelation on
the name of Jesus: “Lord, Jesus, Christ, being the counterpart
of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, which made
Jesus’ words in Matthew 28:19 one of those parabolic
statements of truth, which was interpreted in Acts 2:38
and other Scriptures.” Brother McAlister left for Canada
after that, but before he went he deplored anyone causing
a split in the movement over this issue.

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Well, the writers of the Old and New Testament were oneness or monotheists.

If you mean the first Oneness folks since 1900 or so, see my answer in my previous post plus the following:

I have read two different autobiographies of Andrew Urshan. One was printed serially in several magazines in 1946. The other was written in 1918 and is available from the UPC publishing house. The book from 1918 tells about his birth and childhood and conversion as a young man in Persia, his trip to the U.S., his baptism in the Spirit, and his ministry in the U.S., Persia, and Russia. There is no mention of his baptism in Jesus' name (unless I missed it). The magazine articles covered a lot of the same information but they do talk about baptism in Jesus' name. Andrew Urshan was sprinkled as a baby in the Presbyterian manner. Later as a young man he was immersed. He later had some questions concerning water baptism and came to the conclusion that, "The Lord Jesus Christ is the One Proper Name of the whole Deity for this Gospel dispensation because in Him, Jesus Christ our Lord, all the fullness of the Godhead dwells and to Him all the power in Heaven and earth was given" He goes on to say, "...This was indeed a wonderful revelation of the Trinity in Christ....seeing the great value of the baptism invested in faith in the One Name of the triune God..." He goes on to say that he had a tract published about this revelation, that he had Acts 2:38 painted above the baptistry tank and that he began to baptize new converts "into the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ which is the One Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost." This is on page 10 of a magazine titled The Witness of God, edition no. 3 of 1946. He said this happened in 1910 while pastoring an assembly at Sheffield and Montana Street in Chicago, Illinois. It is interesting that although he started baptizing new converts this way, he did not practice rebaptism. He later went back to Persia and then to Russia. In 1915 while preaching in Russia, he hoped no one would want to be water baptized because he knew it had become a controversy in the U.S. and he did not want to join in with either side of the issue. He did decide not to do any baptizing unless some one specifically requested baptism using the name of Jesus. A new convert came to him, pointing to Acts 8:16 in a Bible, and asked for baptism according to this verse. Several days later they went out into the woods to a river, cleared away two feet of snow, broke a hole trough the ice and baptized several people. There were more converts and a few days later more wanted to be baptized. Bro. Urshan preached on Isaiah 9:6 about "the sonship of Jesus and the Divine Fatherhood in Him." He then talked about baptism in Jesus' Name. As a result some who had been previously baptized requested rebaptism.

Here is what Bro. Urshan wrote about his attitude toward rebaptism.
"I objected to such a thing then. I had come to the conclusion to baptize the new repenting souls in Jesus Christ's name, but never those who were already baptized. In spite of my personal feeling on the subject, I was almost begged to baptize some who once were already baptized.... I tried to discourage it, and told the folks it was not necessary at all and that it would bring trouble and division among them. I went as far as to tell them of the havoc that very thing had created in America and then I plainly stated that i would not rebaptize them.... I prayed hard against rebaptism and branded it to be a trick of the devil to destroy that good revival." When they insisted on being rebaptized, he told them to go ahead and rebaptize one another. He told them that he himself had not been rebaptized and wanted to return to America and discuss it more fully with people there. Finally they prevailed upon him and he asked an elderly Spirit filled Russian to rebaptise him and then he baptized about 75 people in Jesus' Name. This is from pages 10 and 11 of The Witness of God, August 1946.

Even though he had now been rebaptized, when Bro. Urshan returned to the U.S. he continued to fellowship and preach among those who practiced both types of baptism. Later, he was forced to choose sides and he sided with the "New Issue" or Jesus' name baptism.

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More info on the current Oneness or Jesus' name folks:

This information is taken from two books by the late L.R. Ooton. I don’t know the date when Bro. Ooton was born nor the time of his death. I only saw him once and that was at the Jesus Name Pentecostal Church in Dayton, Ohio some time in the nineteen seventies. At that time he seemed pretty old to me. The two books are “God’s Time Piece” which has a copyright date of 1967 and “The Except Without Exception” which has a copyright of 1974. I’ve pieced together two brief accounts which tell of a time in his life when he evangelized in Medora, Indiana.This is from pages 33 to 37 of “God’s Time Piece” and pages 22 to 25 of “The Except Without Exception.” He mentions that as a result of his preaching`a church was established which was still there in 1974. It is my understanding that the church he is speaking of is the Medora Pentecostal Church which was pastored by Eld. M.L. Walls for thirty years and is now pastored by his son-in-law, Eld. Tim Gill. Bro. Walls is a minister with the ALJC (Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ) and preached at the Carthage Apostolic Church back in the nineteen seventies when I was going there.
A while ago I contacted Bro. Walls for any information he might have about the late Bro. Ooton. He did know that the man was dead but didn’t know much beyond that. Bro. Walls said that he had heard that Eld. Ooton and another man brought the Jesus’ Name message to that area and that the church in Medora was the oldest Apostolic Church in the state. The Medora church web site is
http://www.medorapentecostalchurch.org/Index.html

This is the information from the two books mentioned above. It is presented just like he tells it. Note that some times when he uses the term “Apostolic” that it is the older usage which refers to preaching the Holy Ghost Baptism but does not include Jesus’ name baptism which was a later practice.

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For almost 60 years of my life, I have “lived by faith” rather than to work for a salary; and my Lord and Master has never disappointed me one single time through all those years. I have never been able to outgive my Lord; and in all my giving, I have learned that, the only things we have in Eternity are the things we give away in time. Our Lord has advised, “Give, and it shall be given unto you.” St. Luke 6:38. Early in my teens, I was called into the ministry. My mother gave me the front room of our home, as a place in which to pray and study for the ministry.

Both the time and the place were sacred, and I took full advantage of it, seeking God night and day.

Soon it was time for me “to launch out into the deep”; and I began my ministry on foot, walking from community to community.

A short time later, I launched out a bit farther, by bicycle; thus; adding other miles to my ministry. Sooner than I had expected however, it was time for me to launch out body and soul into the work of evangelism many miles from home. Through the spirit of prophecy, it was predicted that “my ministry would indeed be far reaching”; and so it has been. My ministry has taken me more than one and one half million of miles to date; and I have never been able to answer all of the calls that have come in from near and far.

Possibly, my greatest test was that first trip away from home and loved ones; for it meant that I was now leaving Father and Mother, who owned and operated a grocery store and meat market in Elwood, Indiana; and I must now leave this and trust Jesus for everything. I was truly, launching out into the deep, and letting my nets down. My very first experience away from home, possibly may be of interest to you.


Two years following the great flood of 1913 in the state of Indiana, while engaged in prayer I was called by the Holy Spirit to evangelize in the county of Jackson in a small town by the name of Medora. Upon arrival, I discovered that three Apostolic ministers had been engaged in a seven weeks revival campaign without any apparent results. When they heard that I had received a message in the Spirit to come there and minister they were more than pleased to turn the tent and its contents over to me and leave for either a brief or prolonged vacation elsewhere. As the leader of the evangelistic group left me at the Baltimore and Ohio railway station, bidding me good-bye he left a fifty cent piece in my hand with which to carry on. A room over the top of a garage was to be my home to be. My revival funds were soon depleted and I was obliged to trust the Lord to supply my daily needs and I was obliged, like Peter, to go fishing.

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By this time I had made one convert and he became a very close friend. He was an employee of the village blacksmith. I borrowed a fishing line and hook from him, as he was very poor, and had a good sized family of his own to support. I asked for nothing more. I walked two and one half miles to a branch of White River and soon caught a beautiful two and one half pound white fish. The wife of my friend cooked it for me. The following day, I repeated my journey, and came home with a three and one half pound white fish; which was cooked for me by my friend’s wife and it was served on a table made from an old piano box in the middle of their kitchen. The third day, I again repeated my journey, returning home with a two and one half pound white fish. During the years that followed, I have never been served such appetizing meals as those three meals in that humble home. The Lord was truly testing my faith as an Apostolic minister.

After a sufficient period of faith testing, the Lord gave us a revival resulting in the establishment of an Apostolic Church there, where already there were seven other churches of the Protestant faith established. But this was to be an Apostolic revival long to be remembered by our Lord’s humble servant.

As an evangelist of the Apostolic faith I was unwelcome to both the leadership as well as the membership of the seven other churches and was so informed by them. But beloved, these are the days and times in which the Lord’s people must have the right and opportunity of returning to the “faith once delivered to the saints.” Therefore there is naught for us to do but to obey God rather than man. In a short while every member but three in the Pilgrim Holiness Church were filled with the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2:4, including the district elder, Rev. Oral Weddell. As this humble and obedient servant of the Lord worked in a corn field on his farm. a heavenly being appeared to him in a vision speaking to him in other languages. This convinced him of his need of a Spirit filled life. Among those filled with the Holy Spirit, were business men; school teachers; ministers; together with some who had never professed to know Christ before; and some high officials from various religious groups. As a result of this great revival, an Apostolic Church was established there and it still remains there to this day (written in 1974).

Outstanding among those baptized by the Holy Spirit was a very precious minister by the name of David K. Turner who lived some fourteen miles away to the west of Medora. He at one time in life had been an infidel, and for some years past had been ministering as a United Brethren in Union preacher. His conversion to Christianity was the direct result of being smitten with a sun stroke one hot July day as he was traveling along by horse and wagon to town. When regaining consciousness, as he lay on his back in the wagon bed, he called upon the Lord to heal him. “If so,” he promised God, “I will minister your Word to others.” He was instantly delivered and healed. Up to this point in life he was faithful in walking in all the light he knew. As yet, I had neither met nor been made acquainted with him.

While ministering one night the Holy Spirit attracted my attention to a distinguished looking gentleman with white hair, sitting next to the platform on my right. I stopped preaching, walked down from the platform, and as I shook hands with him I inquired, “Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?” With a kindly smile he looked up at me and replied, “I do not believe that I have. Will you pray for me that I might?” I promised him that the following day I would fast and pray for him to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and immediately returned to the platform and continued my message. Other precious souls responded to the call that night and gave their hearts to Christ.

Early the following morning I walked a considerable distance to an old abandoned cemetery on a hilltop quite overgrown with grass and weeds. There I fasted and prayed for Brother Turner all day. Coming down from the hilltop, I returned to the place of worship. Just as I was entering the tent, I met Brother Turner. His countenance had been changed, and there was a quickness about his step, although he now was some seventy-two years of age. I inquired, “Brother Turner, how did you get along today?” He turned to me quickly and replied, “Brother Ooton, I cut more corn and shocked it today than I have ever cut in one day before in my life. I felt like I was flying from one corn stalk to another.” I whispered softly and quietly to the Lord these words, “Thank you, Jesus, you are answering prayer.”

That night a young man who had never attended church before came to the altar of repentance. Brother D.K. Turner knew him, and was kneeling before him in earnest prayer, asking the Lord to save him, when suddenly the Lord Jesus spoke to Brother Turner: “Pray for yourself.” Brother Turner stopped praying for a few minutes while he tried to comprehend why the Lord would speak like that to him. He first reasoned that, “Such is not the Lord, for I am already saved and it is this boy who needs prayer.” Again the Lord spoke in no uncertain language to Brother Turner. He ceased praying, and looking up, he saw a heavenly being speaking to him in other languages. Immediately he placed his hand over his eyes, and rubbing them with his fingers, he looked again go see if he could actually believe his eyes. After doing this for the second time, he instantly sprang to his feet shouting and was baptized with the Holy Spirit as on the day of Pentecost with the signs following. For quite some time he could not speak to us in English; and when he did about midnight, he asked me to go home with him. I was the driver in charge that night.

I mention Brother Turner’s experience in detail for the following reason. Some weeks later he came to me with a request to baptize some thirty-five or six people in his community who had been brought to the knowledge of the truth through the preaching of this humble servant of Christ since being filled with the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2:4. I assured him that since I was only the evangelist and he would be their pastor, it would be best for him to do the baptizing. Although I was then a young man, he looked at me with kindly eyes, saying, “But, Brother Ooton, you have been a father in bringing me to the Apostolic faith; and how I wish that you might do the baptizing.” I urged him, however, to comply with my sincere request, and he obeyed.

In the midst of the baptismal service a marvelous event took place. As I was helping the people in and out of the water I heard a voice from heaven saying, “My brother, I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ.” While I yet marveled at what I had heard, for I had never heard of such a thing before, Brother Turner came to me on the bank of the stream, inquiring, “Brother Ooton, what was that I heard today? The Lord spoke to you. What did He say?” When I told him what I had heard, he doubted that the Lord had said it. “But, Brother Ooton, there is only one way in which to be baptized, and that is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Broken in spirit, he continued, “You have been instrumental in leading me into the light of the Apostolic faith, now please don’t be misled by some strange spirit.” I assured him that I had never heard or read about baptism in Jesus name before. “So come now, let us return to the house and search the Scriptures and see for ourselves.” Turning to the Scriptures, we immediately found where the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38; 10:48; 19:5) Thrilled and inspired by this heavenly visitation, we rejoiced greatly and read the Scriptures all night long. Some time later the light of baptism in Jesus name was brought from the Pacific coast to Indianapolis, Indiana by Brother Glen Cook. Hundreds of people accepted the message and Brother Cook returned to the west coast.

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Years later, I was honored as guest speaker at a ministerial gathering at old Azusa Street Mission in Los Angeles, California. The Holy Spirit led me to speak from a text that day that I never had spoken from before or since: “He must increase, but I must decrease.” John 3:30. It was not for me to question the reason why, for long.

One precious brother, looking like a patriarch, stood and remarked that he was the father or founder of “the present day revelation of Jesus Christ as the Everlasting Father.” Another stood and claimed credit for the present day revelation of “baptism in Jesus’ name.” The Holy Spirit through the text given us in the Spirit that day, soon cut the ground from beneath their feet. When it was truly made known, the fact was that Jesus Christ is “the author and finisher of our faith.” Heb. 12:2. Thereupon we made known the manner in which the Lord first revealed the truth of baptism in Jesus name to us in Indiana; how about the same time the Lord revealed the same truth to one of our missionaries in far off India; and again to another precious minister in Canada; thus demonstrating the fact that “in the mouth of two or three witnesses” the Lord makes known the truth. Matt. 18:16. Thus, no single individual or group of persons have a right to call themselves the author or finisher of the “faith once delivered unto the saints” for this honor belongs to the Lord Jesus alone, who is indeed the true “author and finisher of our faith.”

Today, (written in 1967) after having been a minister of the Apostolic Faith better than half a century, and having evangelized in all of the states of the Union, the greater part of Canada, and sections of Mexico, we, together with you, dear reader, praise God for millions of souls that have been born into the kingdom of God through old time Apostolic revivals which have swept across our continent, affecting the entire Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish world. Truly, it is time for the Lord’s people to return to “the faith once delivered to the saints.”

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Sam, the artical you posted references Evangelist R. E. McAlister. I read where he got into a Holy Ghost confrontation with another minister over the doctrine of sanctification, progressive or definate. It became a major point of contention because one believed that people could be baptized in the HG and still not be perfect in holiness but that the HG would lead them into perfection. The other evangelist thought that people had to be completly sanctified to receive the HG--because the HG will not dwell in an unclean vessel.
As the story goes they challenged each other to let God judge who was correct by killing the wrong one within a year. And that one of the man was dead within one year.

Ever hear of anything about this? I got it from an artical from a very kind lady who was UPC.

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The blood's initially applied at repentance providing "justificaiton". It's work continues on through the "regeneration" through the Spirit, "adoption" through the name, and our "sanctification" by our obedience.

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I have actually met some baptists that believe this. It might not be a blanket thing maybe it was personal opinion of these people I have known that follow this. I was talking to Irvin one of my baptist buddies once about my brother being a backslider. I said he has the HG but does not attend church and so on. Irvin--a pentebaptist said he don't have the HG then cause the HG is a keeper and it will not let you go. He explained that in order to receive the HG one must fully sanctified. Thought it was funny coming from this guy cause he was divorced for running around on his ex and such AFTER he first received the HG. But he was a true believer in God and the power of the HG!

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no, I don't recall hearing anything like that.

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I think those of us who are honest would agree with the first premise, i.e. that we can be baptized in the Holy Spirit and not be perfect in holiness but that the Spirit can lead us to perfection. I'm perfect positionally and in the sight of God because He sees me through the blood, and He sees me in the righteousness of Christ. I am holy/sanctified positionally because I have been set apart by Him as one of His own and I am also holy because Jesus lives in me as the Holy Spirit and He is my sanctification. But, I'm still very human and imperfect and will not reach 100 percent perfection until I am raptured. That is my opinion and the way I understand holiness/perfection/sanctification.

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Beautiful!!!