Leap of Faith:Marrying outside your religion
 

This is an article from MSNBC.com

*Names have been changed

Lisa Rosen* and Pete Bartolo breathed a joint sigh of relief as they stood under the chuppah at their interfaith wedding. The Jewish-Catholic service, fraught with family conflict during the planning stage, bounced seamlessly back and forth between the rabbi and the priest. In deference to Pete's Catholic heritage, they lit a unity candle; to honor Lisa's faith, Pete followed the Jewish tradition of crushing a small glass with his foot. But by the time the reception began, in-law opposition had reared its head.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26869603/

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More like a leap from faith.

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I think it can be done. Though I also think it can be unhealthy too. The article talks about a jew and a catholic marrying one another, but I could see it with an Apostolic and a person of another faith. **probably will get torn apart for saying that**

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Whether it can be done isn't the point. It shouldn't be done. Believers should marry other believers.

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I agree but the point of the article is to show it can be done in a way that it is an easy transition. I am not FOR it but I see how it can be done with some work. It happens everyday.

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The wedding may be an easy transition, but the marriage will not be. Furthermore, how you can raise children in the "admonition of the Lord", if your spouse is a Buddhist?

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The marriage might be as easy as the wedding or as rough as sand paper it is up the spouses to work it out. As far as raising the kids, assuming that this couple woud have kids my guess is that it would have been discussed before the thoughts of marriage or at least before the "I do's". I would venture to say that if two people of different faiths ( I mean way different faiths i.e. christian and buddist) are probably not so grounded in their faith as you and I might assume. Cause if they were then most that are very grounded would have the religious views or their counterpart be a prerequisite for the any relationship.

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to say it can be done is completely accurate, so long as you are talking about 2 people getting married and staying married without getting a divorce.

But there is no way it can be done in such a way as to leave the person who walks in true faith still connected to that true faith.

One cannot be both in the faith and disobediant to that faith. What does light have to do with darkness? dont be unequally yoked with unbelievers....

it is a dangerous path. There is that chance the unbeliever will come to true faith (it happened with my parents) but there is also that chance the beliver will be turned away.

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Agreed this is my view too

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So you're ok with an Apostolic marrying a Mormon?

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One would have to convert to the other, there is no other way.

Matthew 12:25
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

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No. I said I can see it. It is ultimately up to the individual. I have heard it is SIN for an apostolic to marry out of the faith. Not sure I would go that far, but truth is no one apostolic agrees with another (i.e. this forum) so that makes it tough too. I am not against a women cutting hair or wearing modest pants and shorts. My wife is not against those things either, but she wants to raise our daughter a certain way. We have come to an agreement about things. Though we are the same faith at the foundation there are other issues that have to be worked out.

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I agree.

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Well, what does the scripture say,JT ?

Do you get the idea that God is ok with Christians marrying non-Christians?
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(...You you may want to look at 2 Cor 6:14 and 1 Cor 7:39 before you respond.)

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It says not to, but doesn't say it is sinful. That would be adding to the scripture. Is it healthy, not all the time and infact most times it is not healthy, but I have seen it work. But again most people that would marry outside their religion or faith are probably not that commit to it anyway unless it is only out of tradition.

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Paraphrased: "The Bible says don't do it... but if we do it, that doesnt make it a sin... even though the bible plainly says dont do it."

OK sir.

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look you are famous for trying to paint people into a corner on here--which you are not always good at. The verse talking about not being equally yoked with unbelievers is twisted out of context. The verse is actually talking about being tied to in the nature of work. Now there is also a princple in there that one should not marry out of the faith. But to say that it IS sin is something that I can not say. I will tell you this that if for some reason I were ever single again I would still date in the faith cause it makes it easier. The bible says it is a shame for a man to have long hair--not a sin. Once again it is the insecurity of some ministers that they use scriptures as a whipping stick.

But you and I are not that far apart on this. I look at things from all angles. Though to you there are no other angles. Which is your choice.

I like this version of the one verse you posted

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6;&version=51;

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Disobedience is a sin, so you can't have it both ways.

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nice rebuttle.

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Sin? I wouldn't say it's a sin, but just very unwise and risky.

If it is a sin, how would one "repent?" Divorce their unbelieving spouse?

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See that is why I would not call it a sin. Cause if it were then there would be no repentance from it other than divorce. But somehow if the other spouse suddenly comes to the apostolic truth then all is forgiven?? That is dumb

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What if they are not planning to have children?

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Well, like Ferd said, it can be done, if people are able or willing to compromise for the sake of the relationship. But from a biblical perspective, I think it's unwise.

However, I don't agree with those who say its a sin. A repentant sinner must stop sinning, and how can you stop being married to an unbeliever, if you are?

If Solomon, the "wisest man", whose wisdom came from God, could be turned away, then are we any better?

Look at the difference between Solomon's beginning and end:

I Kings 3:3-4

"And Solomon loved the LORD, walking in the statutes of David his father: only he sacrificed and burnt incense in high places. ...And the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there; for that was the great high place: a thousand burnt offerings did Solomon offer upon that altar."

I Kings 11:1-4

"But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
...Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon cleaved unto these in love.
...And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
...For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father."

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For some people, marrying outside of the four walls of their church building is considered a "sin".

For me a Christian marrying a Christian (and how do you know a Christian? By their fruits. Not by their semantic understanding of "oneness"...) is a blessed union. Marrying someone who outright denies God or is a complete unbeliever KNOWING where that person stands, is walking into very dangerous territory and may in fact be considered an outright sin.....

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Good words....good to see you posting

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Miss Bratt, the logic there doesnt quite follow.

Just because something is difficult or impossible to "undo" doesnt mean that doing it is not a sin. For example, murdering someone is irreversible, but it's still a sin. I could repent for committing the murder, and express deep remorse to God, but what's done is done -- the person I killed is still dead.

Similarly, a Christian who marries an Muslim might regret it and later repent, but they're still stuck with that person they married. But It wouldnt change the fact that he would have commited a sin by clearly disobeying what the express will of God on this topic, as seen in His Word.

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First a murderer, while the person that they killed can not be returned to life, will serve jail time or suffer death themselves (that is their repentance). That is the punishment and repentance for that transaction.

A Christian that marrys out of the faith/religion can repent in prayer, but the next day they wake up and they are still married so by your interpretation they are in sin. So where does the actually repentance lie? If ones sins and repents yet still is active in that sin are they forgive or not? This is why I don't think it is a sin cause if it were there would be no actual repentance but divorce (using the logic of the murderer example you gave)

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Not true at all.
Punishment by the judicial system is not biblical repentance.
I said no such thing. Not even close. Sometimes I'm convinced you see thing you want to see JT. What you just said is not what I said.

I said even if he repented for what he did, he'd be stuck with the person he marrried and would have commited a sin by entering a marriage that was clearly out of God's will. You're the one adding this other stuff I didnt say. I never said he'd be in a state of continual sin by remaining married to this person.

(If you're going to argue against something someone says, then it's probably better make the argument against what they actually said, not what you think they said.)

Repentance is spirtually turning away from the sin once has commited. Repentance is renouncing in one's heart the sin he/she committed. Repentance is not is not necessarily "undoing" what was done...because sometimes you cant undo it, but that doesnt negate the fact that a sin was committed. That was my whole point.

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Punishment by law...we are admonished in the word to follow the law in every aspect.

I see what I believe you are saying. If I am wrong, my bad.

The bolded part I want to address. I never said that you had actually said this. My point was if I were to use the same logic or "they entered into a union of marriage and they are not the same faith so it is sin" thing then the only way to acutally repent is to divorce. Repenting does not physically undoe something it spiritually undoes it. So maybe I should have phrased it as a question and not a statement. I know you think that marriage out of the faith is sin--that is covered. Do you think that if the person that is the christian repents to God but is still in that marriage and being a full partner in that marriage is it still sin? Are they still in sin? Sorry was not meaning to come across accusitorial.

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"it" can be done referring to the ceremony, which is what this was mostly about. It's should NOT be done and often CAN'T be done, particularly if one of the two are really "religious"...by that I mean not just a "go to church on Christmas" kind of person

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right, but the fact is the article talks about how frequent it actually does occur. Truth is, and I have said this from the start, that if two people of different religions get married neither of those two are probably too overtly religious. If they were then religion or similar beliefs would generally be a must before hand.

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My dad was raised in a catholic home and mom was of the Jewish faith. They been together for 56 years now. It was never an issues while growing up, dad had his Christmas tree, mom Menora . As for us kids, growing up they allowed us to decide, I went Apostolic and my siblings made there own as well.

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thanks for the post Bro. Frence..here is some proof it can work out

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You are absolutely correct Ferd. Even couples experiencing a difference in opinion, especially if those opinions were those the church would call elements of separation from the world, I would imagine it is a living hell. How can a husband or wife consistently be told their husband or wife is out of the body of Christ, that they are lost, and on and on, because of that seemingly minor disagreement?

...and you are asking about major differences? Sheeesh.

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Well let me use the example of John (Apostolic) who marries Fatimah (Muslim) I believe there's no doubt he has committed a sin by marrying out of his faith, against the clear biblical mandate.

If John acknowledges his sin afterward, and ask for forgiveness, he's forgiven. That's what God does when we confess our sin, of course. But to answer your question: no, I do not believe John is in a state of continual sin by remaining in the marriage.

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A Catholic marrying a Jew is something very different from what I'm talking about JT.

I think we're talking about Christians here. No disrespect to HappyTown's parents, but I don't consider Catholics to be Christians, because I don't consider Roman Catholicism to be biblical Christianity. Not sure if you do, but I do not.

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Go read my post above...



...please. :D

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Hence the phrase "leap from faith"

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I was raised in a home where my mother was Apostolic and my father was Baptist. Both of my parents were active in their churches and we went to church with each one on alternating Sundays. For me it was very stressful, because I did not want to choose a religion because I felt I would be preferring one parent over the other. We children were not allowed to make a choice in religion until we were adults. My brother and I chose Apostolic, my sister Baptist.
My husband's first marriage was to a Baptist and he was Apostolic. He made his choice out of rebellion to his mother. He was married to his first wife for 38 years, but he has said that after he married me, an Apostolic, he can say that his first marriage lacked a closeness that he attributes to the difference in religion.

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You mean an Apostolic and another Christian? ...of course THAT would not really be "another faith" now would it?