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TRFrance 09-26-2008 06:00 PM

Madness....Barack Obama TRUTH SQUAD??!!
 
This is beyond crazy!!

OBAMA 'TRUTH SQUADS': Campaign asks Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who "lies, runs misleading TV ads"...Frankly, this strikes me as a desperation move by Obama and company... but it's bigger than Obama. This is using the law to prosecute/persecute your political enemies. I think this sets a very bad precedent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA

MikeinAR 09-26-2008 06:23 PM

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My first gut reaction is I don't like it either. I mean if someone is slandered or libel, I think they should have the rights to civil cases, but I'm not sure about criminal. That seems like it's pushing it a bit far.

Do you know anything about the law they'll use to prosecute with? I would guess that McCain supporters could do the same if they wished? This is the first I've heard of criminal law on this.

Jekyll 09-26-2008 06:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 598230)
My first gut reaction is I don't like it either. I mean if someone is slandered or libel, I think they should have the rights to civil cases, but I'm not sure about criminal. That seems like it's pushing it a bit far.

Do you know anything about the law they'll use to prosecute with? I would guess that McCain supporters could do the same if they wished? This is the first I've heard of criminal law on this.

You've gotta be kidding me...BO supporters have to drag others down with him, don't they?

BO either has NO clue of the three phases of government, or he does know and is trying to bypass them to install an evil dictatorship.

TRFrance 09-26-2008 06:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 598230)
My first gut reaction is I don't like it either. I mean if someone is slandered or libel, I think they should have the rights to civil cases, but I'm not sure about criminal. That seems like it's pushing it a bit far.

Do you know anything about the law they'll use to prosecute with? I would guess that McCain supporters could do the same if they wished? This is the first I've heard of criminal law on this.

That's my whole problem with it. A law like this is just wide open to misuse, and to intimidate political opponents. If you don't like what your opponent says, accuse him of breaking the "Election Ad" law, and sic the police on him! That's just craziness.


But beyond that, the ramifications are even more troubling than that. If we tolerate this, the day may come (will come?) when the enemies of the church will try to used this kinda of law against the church too, in retaliation for "hate speech", or preaching they find offensive.

I'm convinced.. this is a step in the wrong direction. This is a step toward dictatorship and totalitarianism.

Brother Price 09-27-2008 07:18 AM

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Obamanation knows who he is. The man is a racist in that he interjects his race often into the campaign. He is a liberal who help infuse the current financial crisis according to Congressional record. This man is now using mafia tactics to get himself elected. In other words, if this closet Muslim is elected...

Welcome to the Socialist Republic of America

jaxfam6 09-27-2008 07:27 AM

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I think that Truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. The democrats want to make sure their truth, and only their truth, is seen and heard.

MikeinAR 09-27-2008 07:44 AM

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I've tried to find the Missouri State ethics law that makes libel illegal, but can't find it yet. Why in the world did the people of Missouri let this type of law go into the books? I wonder how long Missouri has had a law against this?

jaxfam6 09-27-2008 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 598431)
I've tried to find the Missouri State ethics law that makes libel illegal, but can't find it yet. Why in the world did the people of Missouri let this type of law go into the books? I wonder how long Missouri has had a law against this?

The same way Nebraskans got a 'Safe Haven' law that is allowing parents to drop off their children, up to age 19, at a hospital and abondon them there for the state to take care of.

IGNORANCE

TRFrance 09-27-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 598429)
I think that Truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. The democrats want to make sure their truth, and only their truth, is seen and heard.

Precisely .

But do you think your opponent should be able to use Law Enforcement to throw you in jail because he disagrees with your "truth"?

SuzanneDeAZ 09-27-2008 02:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 598220)
This is beyond crazy!!

OBAMA 'TRUTH SQUADS': Campaign asks Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who "lies, runs misleading TV ads"...Frankly, this strikes me as a desperation move by Obama and company... but it's bigger than Obama. This is using the law to prosecute/persecute your political enemies. I think this sets a very bad precedent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA

I am shocked that Obama wants to prosecute his own people being that they are the ones who lie most of the time. Sometimes I see his mouth moving and just know they are lies. :evilglee

Ferd 09-27-2008 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 598238)
That's my whole problem with it. A law like this is just wide open to misuse, and to intimidate political opponents. If you don't like what your opponent says, accuse him of breaking the "Election Ad" law, and sic the police on him! That's just craziness.


But beyond that, the ramifications are even more troubling than that. If we tolerate this, the day may come (will come?) when the enemies of the church will try to used this kinda of law against the church too, in retaliation for "hate speech", or preaching they find offensive.

I'm convinced.. this is a step in the wrong direction. This is a step toward dictatorship and totalitarianism.

this is not new for Barak Obama. The guy worked hard to get all of his compitition toss out when he ran for ill state legisature. his campaign poured over every single petition signature and went to court to get enough tossed so the he could run unopposed.

then when he ran for the senate, his people used the law to unseal divorce records of his opponent so he could get dirt on the guy that sunk his campaign.

This is his version of "new politics". it will get worse. and once he is in, you can bet people will go to jail that are his political enemies.

jaxfam6 09-27-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 598511)
Precisely .

But do you think your opponent should be able to use Law Enforcement to throw you in jail because he disagrees with your "truth"?

ABSOLUTELY NOT, and why would you have to ask that question?

=)

TRFrance 09-27-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 598652)
why would you have to ask that question?

I wasn't clear on the meaning of your previous post.
I was wondering if perhaps you were trying to offer a rationalization for the Democrats' position on this.

TRFrance 09-29-2008 07:13 AM

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Statment by the governor of the Missouri:


Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement

JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.
“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

iceniez 09-29-2008 10:42 AM

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OMG big brother Obama,I smell a dictator.Sorry gotta call a spade a spade.

Sam 09-29-2008 12:04 PM

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speaking of lying,
I thought of the old saying


Question:How can you tell if a politician is lying?

Answer: His lips are moving.


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