Do you obey all of Pauls writings?
 

1 Timothy 5 (King James Version)
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1 Timothy 5
1Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

2The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

3Honour widows that are widows indeed.

4But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.

5Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

6But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

7And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.

8But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

9Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.

10Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

11But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

12Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

13And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

14I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

15For some are already turned aside after Satan.

16If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

18For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

19Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

21I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

22Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

23Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

24Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.

25Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

Coop, no matter how much you whine and complain I absolutely REFUSE to greet you with a kiss dude

Romans 16:16 (English Standard Version)

16Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you

:kiss............................:slaphappy

Hey, I would kiss Coop, beard and all.

Thessalonians 5:26 (English Standard Version)


26Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.

Why is Paul so hard on women????

Apostolics do not teach this today???? Do they???

3Honor widows who are truly widows. 4But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God. 5She who is truly a widow, left all alone, has set her hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day, 6but she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives. 7Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach. 8But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
9Let a widow be enrolled if she is not less than sixty years of age, having been the wife of one husband,[a]



10and having a reputation for good works: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every good work.



11But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry



12and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith.


13Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.



14So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander. 15For some have already strayed after Satan.



16If any believing woman has relatives who are widows, let her care for them. Let the church not be burdened, so that it may care for those who are really widows.



coop what is Paul being hard here on?

I have never heard this term Enrolled.

But it's sounds like Paul is forbidding Old and young widows not to Re-Marry.

That if young widows desire companionship they have turned away from Jesus.

11But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

12Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

Nope...he is talking about being "enrolled" in service

But why refuse a young widow????

Why are they damned?

11But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

12Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

Well I could be wrong, but it is certainly NOT talking about marriage

but some DO believe it could refer to some sort of service or position
That is what I think because the context is service...watch
1Ti 5:4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God.
1Ti 5:5 She who is truly a widow, left all alone, has set her hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day,

After reading the Pauline Epistles...the answer to your question is No...I don't obey all he wrote. Have some things I need to work on.

Blessings, Rhoni

They aren't damned. Read the context Coop..He said "when they begu....sheeesh. Let's use an english translation ok? Get rid of the KJV lol

1Ti 5:11 But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry
1Ti 5:12 and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith.
1Ti 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.
1Ti 5:14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.
1Ti 5:15 For some have already strayed after Satan.

He is talking about Younger widows whose passions draw them away from Christ and when they do they get married...obviously being away from Christ they marry someone that is NOT in the church and incur condemnation for abandoning their faith. AND besides that they learn to be idlers, going from house to house and gossipers and busybodies etc etc...perhaps this is a good argument for why it is talking about provisions because then the younger window has no need to marry a man that can help provide for her...she becomes idle with nothing to do. Look what Paul commands "So I would have younger widows marry"

In other words a young woman who is a widow should get married...NOW...so she does not become a burdon to the church caring for her and she becomes idle. She should DO something and that something is get married. Otherwise she will do one of two things....with her passions growing she will turn from Christ and eventually marry someone out side the faith or she will reap the provisions from the church and not have to work or get married and thus become an idle talker/gossiper from house to house.

Pauls solution then is she should get married now so that she will have family and someone to help her with provisions in her own home and raising a family.

Romans 16:16

Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you. KJV

Holy embraces all around! All the churches of Christ send their warmest greetings! The Message

Greet each other in Christian love. All the churches of Christ send you their greetings. NLT

Shake hands warmly with each other. All the churches here send you their greetings. The Living Bible

Dude....I am NOT kissing you ok? :ignore

OK, go by The Living Bible and give me a handshake.
but,
you might be considered a liberal.

I've known folks who took that passage quite literally
and as a young preacher I've been kissed in the mouth
by some old snaggle toothed men with mustaches.
(mustaches weren't an issue back then).

oH MAN!! :doh :doh :doh

ok! Thanks!

No problem. Try the ESV or NKJV :-)

I disagree with both views. I believe that it refers to those for whom the Church took on responsibility. Widows that didn't have family to support them were essentially the same as a homeless person. In a practice that started in the Jerusalem church, the churches began taking care of these widows. THIS, and only THIS is what is meant by "enrolled" in the passage you quoted earlier. Paul was setting forth the qualifications for being counted among the widows the church would take care of - it was essentially like having to meet certain qualifications for a welfare program.

Exactly...

I have been trying to remember to post on this thread but I keep forgetting.

I saw Chan as the latest post and thought... good... maybe that will save me a post... :)

You are right on the mark about what these scriptures were referring to.

Thanks for posting it.

If you keep reading brother that was one of the other theories I gave. Either way Paul is not forbidding marriage

Let me give you the interpretation of this thread:

"If I can find some obscure Pauline recommendation that you aren't obeying, I will be able to feel more justified for whatever I don't want to obey."

OUCH!

Oh go skin a coon on the moon.

With brothers like these.....who needs a Pastor?:slaphappy

You don't need one, Coop.

You could never find one as smart or spiritual as you are.:)

Coop,

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I read something you wrote awhile back that made me wonder about you. You said you missed church! And you went on to say how God had used you in the gifts of his Spirit and gave you dreams and such.

I'm just curious is God still using you now in the gifts? Has he given you any dreams lately? Is He using you in the the gifts in the different churches you've been visiting?

The dreams are not like they were, but when I was at a UPC church, I knew the gift of a word was burning in me, but I waited until after church and told the Preacher.

He said I was dead on target and wished I had of said something.

When I was at another church, I had a vision of a mans blood condition {that he did have} and we all prayed for his healing.

Sometimes when I am at a Church I feel preaching get all over me so strong I just want to take the mike a Preach up a storm.

Sometimes I feel the gifts move at other places like work or the store.

I need a friend and mentor.

I am not smart and I am not that spiritual:nah

I don't drink wine for my tummy's sake. ;) :)

Everybody needs friends; everybody needs a mentor.

But everybody also needs a pastor, Coop.

I hope you find what you need, even if it isn't exactly what you are looking for.

Yeah but some Apostolics drink Nyquil when they get sick

Do you obey all of Paul's writings?
 

Bro. Cooper,

Son, God knows just what you need! He really does

care about you! He sees you inside and out. He made

you. He knows your needs! Tell your FATHER all about it

and I believe He will direct you where you need to be.

Trust in the LORD with ALL thine heart;and lean not on

thine own understanding. In ALL thy ways acknowledge

Him and He shall direct thy paths.

You can talk to your Father (Spirit) but there are times

we need Mother's (The church) love and touch! We need

as it were, someone with skin on (to minister to the need for

physical touch! Someone who can literally wrap their arms

around you. Mother (the church), mothers in Zion are

good at this because many times they are widows and need

just a touch of warmth from someone who needs a touch

themselves), Both are benefited. In the church I attend we

have a precious sister who is 87 yrs. old. She has lost her

husband, two adult children, and still has such a love for the

church that she wants to touch each small child and love on

them because she is like Jesus, bring the little ones to me. Not

only the babies and toddlers but the young marrieds, men and

women. I think we need more "Mothers in Zion" to hold and cry

with the FATHER's children while He is building up ZION, the

church!!!! There is something for everyone to do!! Young mothers

have their hands so full. My brother and his wife (seniors) have

taken a young couple who have three little boys, born real close

together. They hold the baby and he is becoming so attached to

them. Their only granddaughter is in Egypt with their great grand-

children (2 little great-granddaughters) but meanwhile while they

wait until God brings their own home, they will give their love to

help a young couple who need some help from someone who has

love to spare, or share!

May our Loving Father guide you to where you can find that for

which your soul is longing (that which is lacking in your life). God

knows for He puts those desires in us for that which is lacking!

Blessings,

Falla39

Coop... reading your post I submit this thought I had some while back.

Your first quote is in direct contast with your second.
I do not know your past, nor do I need to know.
We all need friends and mentor(s), we also need a Pastor.

I believe you kinow what you need, I pray for the Grace to do what you need to do so that God can bless you and your family in greater ways than he already has, and in turn for you to be a blessing to others.

Praying.:tiphat

Falla39, D4T and Ron,.....I read your post and thanks for the words of encouragement.

Ps: T4D..Thanks!...I will not forget who I am.

Ok son, but this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me. Now DROP and give me 20 powder puff!

I am 39 and out of shape!!! It will hurt me worse!:toofunny

Ok then. Slowly get down on your hands and knees and give me 5

And your point is what?:tiphat