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rrford 03-29-2007 10:47 PM
Of Cherubims, Altars and Empty Tombs
 
One of the most fascinating studies in the Old Testament is that of the Tabernacle. It is rich and alive with the ways and purposes of God. From this Tabernacle plan we find Gods plan for redemption, His desire for worship, and the necessity of holy living. Countless sermons have been preached on every aspect of Gods dwelling place in the wanderings of Israel. This “glorified” tent speaks to us yet today in types and shadows.

While a Bible College student I elected to write my senior thesis on the types and shadows of the Tabernacle. It soon proved to be a far greater undertaking than I expected. As it is many times in the Word of God, certain things were obvious. The altar being a type of sacrifice, the laver a place of cleansing, the Holy Place a place of separation, the Table of Shewbread a type of the Living Word, the altar of incense speaks of worship. These things are easily identified and applied. Even upon entering Holy of Holies the types and shadows are abundant. The ark of the covenant, created and preserved in holiness is an obvious illustration as to how God s presence is to be regarded. The two tables that rested within reaffirm the authority of Gods Word. Aaron’s rod that budded remind us still of the miraculous power found when ordinary things are placed into the hands of God. The pot of manna serves as a constant reminder that “the righteous are not forsaken and His seed does not beg for bread.”

However, during the preparation of my thesis I was perplexed be the cherubim’s that dwelt on the lid of the ark. The Bible tells us plainly that their wings spread across the top of the ark and touched in the center. Their heads were bowed and they looked down upon the surface of the lid that covered the ark. I searched in vain for some type or shadow that these golden angels represented. It wasn’t until an Easter season several years removed from Bible College that the Lord allowed me to stumble upon the significance of the location and position of the cherubim’s in the Holy of Holies.

While reading the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection I was startled by something I had previously not noticed in the 20th chapter of John. Verse 12 tells us “And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.” Maybe it hasn’t hit you yet. Remember in the tabernacle there were the two cherubim’s? One at the head of the ark, the other at the foot. They bowed towards the lid and constantly looked upon the place where the High Priest would sprinkle the blood year after year. Their eyes were continually fixed on the shed blood of an innocent. Year after year the same event occurred in order to cover the sins of Israel.

Here, in this garden tomb, a ledge of stone became the lid to the Ark of the Covenant. It was upon this ledge that the bleeding and bruised body of Jesus Christ was lain. It was here that God dispatched two angels to look once again upon the shed blood of an innocent. But thanks be to God that here the similarities end. This event would never be repeated again. The blood sprinkled on the stone ledge would be a propitiation for sin, once and for all time. With resurrection power the lifeless body of Jesus Christ lived again holding the keys to death, hell, and the grave in His hand.

When Mary made her way to the graveyard that morning her heart was heavy. She had come to pour out her sorrow and to be near His body. But when she arrives she is overwhelmed to find that the body missing. I would have loved to trade places with her. When she bowed down and entered into the tomb there they stood in all of their grandeur, one at the head the other at the foot, just like in the Holy of Holies. But for the first time in history, the angels that looked upon the shed blood spoke. And what unbelievable words they were: “Mary, why are you looking for the living among the dead?”

Thank God for all of the types and shadows of the Tabernacle plan. But thank God even more that this Easter we do not look for the living among the dead. The heavens declare it for all to hear “He is Risen!"

Newman 03-29-2007 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 58410)
However, during the preparation of my thesis I was perplexed be the cherubim’s that dwelt on the lid of the ark. The Bible tells us plainly that their wings spread across the top of the ark and touched in the center. Their heads were bowed and they looked down upon the surface of the lid that covered the ark. I searched in vain for some type or shadow that these golden angels represented. It wasn’t until an Easter season several years removed from Bible College that the Lord allowed me to stumble upon the significance of the location and position of the cherubim’s in the Holy of Holies.

While reading the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection I was startled by something I had previously not noticed in the 20th chapter of John. Verse 12 tells us “And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.” Maybe it hasn’t hit you yet. Remember in the tabernacle there were the two cherubim’s? One at the head of the ark, the other at the foot. They bowed towards the lid and constantly looked upon the place where the High Priest would sprinkle the blood year after year. Their eyes were continually fixed on the shed blood of an innocent. Year after year the same event occurred in order to cover the sins of Israel.

Here, in this garden tomb, a ledge of stone became the lid to the Ark of the Covenant. It was upon this ledge that the bleeding and bruised body of Jesus Christ was lain. It was here that God dispatched two angels to look once again upon the shed blood of an innocent. But thanks be to God that here the similarities end. This event would never be repeated again. The blood sprinkled on the stone ledge would be a propitiation for sin, once and for all time. With resurrection power the lifeless body of Jesus Christ lived again holding the keys to death, hell, and the grave in His hand.

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I got goose bumps reading this! Wow. :cool:

RevDWW 03-29-2007 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 58410)
One of the most fascinating studies in the Old Testament is that of the Tabernacle. It is rich and alive with the ways and purposes of God. From this Tabernacle plan we find Gods plan for redemption, His desire for worship, and the necessity of holy living. Countless sermons have been preached on every aspect of Gods dwelling place in the wanderings of Israel. This “glorified” tent speaks to us yet today in types and shadows.

While a Bible College student I elected to write my senior thesis on the types and shadows of the Tabernacle. It soon proved to be a far greater undertaking than I expected. As it is many times in the Word of God, certain things were obvious. The altar being a type of sacrifice, the laver a place of cleansing, the Holy Place a place of separation, the Table of Shewbread a type of the Living Word, the altar of incense speaks of worship. These things are easily identified and applied. Even upon entering Holy of Holies the types and shadows are abundant. The ark of the covenant, created and preserved in holiness is an obvious illustration as to how God s presence is to be regarded. The two tables that rested within reaffirm the authority of Gods Word. Aaron’s rod that budded remind us still of the miraculous power found when ordinary things are placed into the hands of God. The pot of manna serves as a constant reminder that “the righteous are not forsaken and His seed does not beg for bread.”

However, during the preparation of my thesis I was perplexed be the cherubim’s that dwelt on the lid of the ark. The Bible tells us plainly that their wings spread across the top of the ark and touched in the center. Their heads were bowed and they looked down upon the surface of the lid that covered the ark. I searched in vain for some type or shadow that these golden angels represented. It wasn’t until an Easter season several years removed from Bible College that the Lord allowed me to stumble upon the significance of the location and position of the cherubim’s in the Holy of Holies.

While reading the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection I was startled by something I had previously not noticed in the 20th chapter of John. Verse 12 tells us “And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.” Maybe it hasn’t hit you yet. Remember in the tabernacle there were the two cherubim’s? One at the head of the ark, the other at the foot. They bowed towards the lid and constantly looked upon the place where the High Priest would sprinkle the blood year after year. Their eyes were continually fixed on the shed blood of an innocent. Year after year the same event occurred in order to cover the sins of Israel.

Here, in this garden tomb, a ledge of stone became the lid to the Ark of the Covenant. It was upon this ledge that the bleeding and bruised body of Jesus Christ was lain. It was here that God dispatched two angels to look once again upon the shed blood of an innocent. But thanks be to God that here the similarities end. This event would never be repeated again. The blood sprinkled on the stone ledge would be a propitiation for sin, once and for all time. With resurrection power the lifeless body of Jesus Christ lived again holding the keys to death, hell, and the grave in His hand.

When Mary made her way to the graveyard that morning her heart was heavy. She had come to pour out her sorrow and to be near His body. But when she arrives she is overwhelmed to find that the body missing. I would have loved to trade places with her. When she bowed down and entered into the tomb there they stood in all of their grandeur, one at the head the other at the foot, just like in the Holy of Holies. But for the first time in history, the angels that looked upon the shed blood spoke. And what unbelievable words they were: “Mary, why are you looking for the living among the dead?”

Thank God for all of the types and shadows of the Tabernacle plan. But thank God even more that this Easter we do not look for the living among the dead. The heavens declare it for all to hear “He is Risen!"
Excellent post!

Maybe an added point could be that the angles can only look into
what mankind can experience because of an empty tomb! They can only see what the blood covering but can never be covered by the blood.

Ron 03-30-2007 06:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 58410)
One of the most fascinating studies in the Old Testament is that of the Tabernacle. It is rich and alive with the ways and purposes of God. From this Tabernacle plan we find Gods plan for redemption, His desire for worship, and the necessity of holy living. Countless sermons have been preached on every aspect of Gods dwelling place in the wanderings of Israel. This “glorified” tent speaks to us yet today in types and shadows.

While a Bible College student I elected to write my senior thesis on the types and shadows of the Tabernacle. It soon proved to be a far greater undertaking than I expected. As it is many times in the Word of God, certain things were obvious. The altar being a type of sacrifice, the laver a place of cleansing, the Holy Place a place of separation, the Table of Shewbread a type of the Living Word, the altar of incense speaks of worship. These things are easily identified and applied. Even upon entering Holy of Holies the types and shadows are abundant. The ark of the covenant, created and preserved in holiness is an obvious illustration as to how God s presence is to be regarded. The two tables that rested within reaffirm the authority of Gods Word. Aaron’s rod that budded remind us still of the miraculous power found when ordinary things are placed into the hands of God. The pot of manna serves as a constant reminder that “the righteous are not forsaken and His seed does not beg for bread.”

However, during the preparation of my thesis I was perplexed be the cherubim’s that dwelt on the lid of the ark. The Bible tells us plainly that their wings spread across the top of the ark and touched in the center. Their heads were bowed and they looked down upon the surface of the lid that covered the ark. I searched in vain for some type or shadow that these golden angels represented. It wasn’t until an Easter season several years removed from Bible College that the Lord allowed me to stumble upon the significance of the location and position of the cherubim’s in the Holy of Holies.

While reading the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection I was startled by something I had previously not noticed in the 20th chapter of John. Verse 12 tells us “And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.” Maybe it hasn’t hit you yet. Remember in the tabernacle there were the two cherubim’s? One at the head of the ark, the other at the foot. They bowed towards the lid and constantly looked upon the place where the High Priest would sprinkle the blood year after year. Their eyes were continually fixed on the shed blood of an innocent. Year after year the same event occurred in order to cover the sins of Israel.

Here, in this garden tomb, a ledge of stone became the lid to the Ark of the Covenant. It was upon this ledge that the bleeding and bruised body of Jesus Christ was lain. It was here that God dispatched two angels to look once again upon the shed blood of an innocent. But thanks be to God that here the similarities end. This event would never be repeated again. The blood sprinkled on the stone ledge would be a propitiation for sin, once and for all time. With resurrection power the lifeless body of Jesus Christ lived again holding the keys to death, hell, and the grave in His hand.

When Mary made her way to the graveyard that morning her heart was heavy. She had come to pour out her sorrow and to be near His body. But when she arrives she is overwhelmed to find that the body missing. I would have loved to trade places with her. When she bowed down and entered into the tomb there they stood in all of their grandeur, one at the head the other at the foot, just like in the Holy of Holies. But for the first time in history, the angels that looked upon the shed blood spoke. And what unbelievable words they were: “Mary, why are you looking for the living among the dead?”

Thank God for all of the types and shadows of the Tabernacle plan. But thank God even more that this Easter we do not look for the living among the dead. The heavens declare it for all to hear “He is Risen!"
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 58456)
Excellent post!

Maybe an added point could be that the angles can only look into
what mankind can experience because of an empty tomb! They can only see what the blood covering but can never be covered by the blood.

Once again another great thought Elder! RevDWW, Interesting.

Thank you both.

God Bless!

Ron:tiphat

SDG 03-23-2008 05:49 PM
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Great thread post by RRFord ... from last Easter ....

Pressing-On 03-23-2008 06:07 PM
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Very awesome!!!!

mfblume 03-24-2008 12:30 PM
Re: Of Cherubims, Altars and Empty Tombs
 
Quite some time ago I heard someone bring out he same point about the two angels in the tomb at either end from where Jesus laid compared to the cherubims on the ark. Awesome!

Something I thought about once, also, is that CHERUBIMS stand as the church redeemed according to Rev 5:9. They say THOU HAST REDEEMED US and made us KINGS and priests. Seated with Him in heavenly places! The throne.

Pressing-On 03-24-2008 01:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 422095)
Quite some time ago I heard someone bring out he same point about the two angels in the tomb at either end from where Jesus laid compared to the cherubims on the ark. Awesome!

Something I thought about once, also, is that CHERUBIMS stand as the church redeemed according to Rev 5:9. They say THOU HAST REDEEMED US and made us KINGS and priests. Seated with Him in heavenly places! The throne.
That's something to look into!

Pressing-On 04-10-2009 04:03 PM
Re: Of Cherubims, Altars and Empty Tombs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 58410)
One of the most fascinating studies in the Old Testament is that of the Tabernacle. It is rich and alive with the ways and purposes of God. From this Tabernacle plan we find Gods plan for redemption, His desire for worship, and the necessity of holy living. Countless sermons have been preached on every aspect of Gods dwelling place in the wanderings of Israel. This “glorified” tent speaks to us yet today in types and shadows.

While a Bible College student I elected to write my senior thesis on the types and shadows of the Tabernacle. It soon proved to be a far greater undertaking than I expected. As it is many times in the Word of God, certain things were obvious. The altar being a type of sacrifice, the laver a place of cleansing, the Holy Place a place of separation, the Table of Shewbread a type of the Living Word, the altar of incense speaks of worship. These things are easily identified and applied. Even upon entering Holy of Holies the types and shadows are abundant. The ark of the covenant, created and preserved in holiness is an obvious illustration as to how God s presence is to be regarded. The two tables that rested within reaffirm the authority of Gods Word. Aaron’s rod that budded remind us still of the miraculous power found when ordinary things are placed into the hands of God. The pot of manna serves as a constant reminder that “the righteous are not forsaken and His seed does not beg for bread.”

However, during the preparation of my thesis I was perplexed be the cherubim’s that dwelt on the lid of the ark. The Bible tells us plainly that their wings spread across the top of the ark and touched in the center. Their heads were bowed and they looked down upon the surface of the lid that covered the ark. I searched in vain for some type or shadow that these golden angels represented. It wasn’t until an Easter season several years removed from Bible College that the Lord allowed me to stumble upon the significance of the location and position of the cherubim’s in the Holy of Holies.

While reading the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection I was startled by something I had previously not noticed in the 20th chapter of John. Verse 12 tells us “And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.” Maybe it hasn’t hit you yet. Remember in the tabernacle there were the two cherubim’s? One at the head of the ark, the other at the foot. They bowed towards the lid and constantly looked upon the place where the High Priest would sprinkle the blood year after year. Their eyes were continually fixed on the shed blood of an innocent. Year after year the same event occurred in order to cover the sins of Israel.

Here, in this garden tomb, a ledge of stone became the lid to the Ark of the Covenant. It was upon this ledge that the bleeding and bruised body of Jesus Christ was lain. It was here that God dispatched two angels to look once again upon the shed blood of an innocent. But thanks be to God that here the similarities end. This event would never be repeated again. The blood sprinkled on the stone ledge would be a propitiation for sin, once and for all time. With resurrection power the lifeless body of Jesus Christ lived again holding the keys to death, hell, and the grave in His hand.

When Mary made her way to the graveyard that morning her heart was heavy. She had come to pour out her sorrow and to be near His body. But when she arrives she is overwhelmed to find that the body missing. I would have loved to trade places with her. When she bowed down and entered into the tomb there they stood in all of their grandeur, one at the head the other at the foot, just like in the Holy of Holies. But for the first time in history, the angels that looked upon the shed blood spoke. And what unbelievable words they were: “Mary, why are you looking for the living among the dead?”

Thank God for all of the types and shadows of the Tabernacle plan. But thank God even more that this Easter we do not look for the living among the dead. The heavens declare it for all to hear “He is Risen!"
*BUMP*

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sister Alvear 04-10-2009 04:06 PM
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beautiful..thank you.

Sam 04-10-2009 04:55 PM
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Great thought.
Thank you for bringing that out.

DAII 04-04-2010 06:44 AM
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Bump. One of the best, all time great posts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 58410)
One of the most fascinating studies in the Old Testament is that of the Tabernacle. It is rich and alive with the ways and purposes of God. From this Tabernacle plan we find Gods plan for redemption, His desire for worship, and the necessity of holy living. Countless sermons have been preached on every aspect of Gods dwelling place in the wanderings of Israel. This “glorified” tent speaks to us yet today in types and shadows.

While a Bible College student I elected to write my senior thesis on the types and shadows of the Tabernacle. It soon proved to be a far greater undertaking than I expected. As it is many times in the Word of God, certain things were obvious. The altar being a type of sacrifice, the laver a place of cleansing, the Holy Place a place of separation, the Table of Shewbread a type of the Living Word, the altar of incense speaks of worship. These things are easily identified and applied. Even upon entering Holy of Holies the types and shadows are abundant. The ark of the covenant, created and preserved in holiness is an obvious illustration as to how God s presence is to be regarded. The two tables that rested within reaffirm the authority of Gods Word. Aaron’s rod that budded remind us still of the miraculous power found when ordinary things are placed into the hands of God. The pot of manna serves as a constant reminder that “the righteous are not forsaken and His seed does not beg for bread.”

However, during the preparation of my thesis I was perplexed be the cherubim’s that dwelt on the lid of the ark. The Bible tells us plainly that their wings spread across the top of the ark and touched in the center. Their heads were bowed and they looked down upon the surface of the lid that covered the ark. I searched in vain for some type or shadow that these golden angels represented. It wasn’t until an Easter season several years removed from Bible College that the Lord allowed me to stumble upon the significance of the location and position of the cherubim’s in the Holy of Holies.

While reading the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection I was startled by something I had previously not noticed in the 20th chapter of John. Verse 12 tells us “And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.” Maybe it hasn’t hit you yet. Remember in the tabernacle there were the two cherubim’s? One at the head of the ark, the other at the foot. They bowed towards the lid and constantly looked upon the place where the High Priest would sprinkle the blood year after year. Their eyes were continually fixed on the shed blood of an innocent. Year after year the same event occurred in order to cover the sins of Israel.

Here, in this garden tomb, a ledge of stone became the lid to the Ark of the Covenant. It was upon this ledge that the bleeding and bruised body of Jesus Christ was lain. It was here that God dispatched two angels to look once again upon the shed blood of an innocent. But thanks be to God that here the similarities end. This event would never be repeated again. The blood sprinkled on the stone ledge would be a propitiation for sin, once and for all time. With resurrection power the lifeless body of Jesus Christ lived again holding the keys to death, hell, and the grave in His hand.

When Mary made her way to the graveyard that morning her heart was heavy. She had come to pour out her sorrow and to be near His body. But when she arrives she is overwhelmed to find that the body missing. I would have loved to trade places with her. When she bowed down and entered into the tomb there they stood in all of their grandeur, one at the head the other at the foot, just like in the Holy of Holies. But for the first time in history, the angels that looked upon the shed blood spoke. And what unbelievable words they were: “Mary, why are you looking for the living among the dead?”

Thank God for all of the types and shadows of the Tabernacle plan. But thank God even more that this Easter we do not look for the living among the dead. The heavens declare it for all to hear “He is Risen!"

Godsdrummer 04-04-2010 09:13 AM
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That was a great word, thing is I had been in UPCI 45 years from birth and had never heard anything close to that. It was after I left UPCI that I heard that preached in a messaged just last year.

I have heard alot more good stuff preach after I left UPCI than all the years I was in the organization. Go figure maybe we spet too much time preaching against things that did not matter one whit with God and not enough time on the things that did.

Aquila 04-05-2010 11:17 AM
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Wow. That was awesome!

Arphaxad 04-05-2010 11:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 894476)
That was a great word, thing is I had been in UPCI 45 years from birth and had never heard anything close to that. It was after I left UPCI that I heard that preached in a messaged just last year.

I have heard alot more good stuff preach after I left UPCI than all the years I was in the organization. Go figure maybe we spet too much time preaching against things that did not matter one whit with God and not enough time on the things that did.
Wow, amazing how someone can use anything to rail against the UPCI:foottap. Do you compare everything with UPCI? Why did you stay for 45 years if it was so terrible?

:doggyrun

Praxeas 04-05-2010 07:09 PM
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I hear messages like that all the time. It's not the organization, it's the church and pastor

Arphaxad 04-05-2010 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 894821)
I hear messages like that all the time. It's not the organization, it's the church and pastor
or the listener

:doggyrun

Pressing-On 04-05-2010 10:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arphaxad (Post 894886)
or the listener

:doggyrun
:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

MawMaw 04-06-2010 02:21 AM
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Enjoyed that very much RRFord!

Godsdrummer 04-06-2010 08:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arphaxad (Post 894682)
Wow, amazing how someone can use anything to rail against the UPCI:foottap. Do you compare everything with UPCI? Why did you stay for 45 years if it was so terrible?

:doggyrun
Oop sorry if I hurt your feelings about UPCI I stayed in it just like every one else stays for that matter the same reason JW and Latter day Saints stay in their false doctrines. I was blinded by my upbringing and traditions and thought if I did not live this way and beleive this way I would split the pit. Trust me I have heard good messages in UPCI most alway the speaker had to plug in holiness, or some other doctrine the preacher thought needed added at the time. Probably one of the best messages I can recal was Hugh Rose preached the Lions Gail back in the 70's at a youth convention. man I can't beleive I still remember that message. Well I guess I better stop its not that I ahave that much against UPCI if that is what you chose to beleive. it is just that is all I ever knew before my wife and children left. So sorry that I compare things to UPCI I will try not to do too much more of it.

Godsdrummer 04-06-2010 08:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arphaxad (Post 894886)
or the listener

:doggyrun
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 894896)
:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny
You would most likely not know a good message if you heard one anyway, you act like a couple of young kids throwing out cutting comments like you think you know it all. Grow up just remember what goes around comes around. What you sow you will reap.

Pressing-On 04-06-2010 08:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 894976)
You would most likely not know a good message if you heard one anyway, you act like a couple of young kids throwing out cutting comments like you think you know it all. Grow up just remember what goes around comes around. What you sow you will reap.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded, but it just hit me as funny. Nothing against you Godsdrummer! Now I feel bad for laughing! :sorry

I do feel I must agree with Prax on this though. I've heard some excellent sermons and life changing at that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 894821)
I hear messages like that all the time. It's not the organization, it's the church and pastor

Sam 04-06-2010 10:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Godsdrummer (Post 894971)
Oop sorry if I hurt your feelings about UPCI I stayed in it just like every one else stays for that matter the same reason JW and Latter day Saints stay in their false doctrines. I was blinded by my upbringing and traditions and thought if I did not live this way and beleive this way I would split the pit. Trust me I have heard good messages in UPCI most alway the speaker had to plug in holiness, or some other doctrine the preacher thought needed added at the time. Probably one of the best messages I can recal was Hugh Rose preached the Lions Gail back in the 70's at a youth convention. man I can't beleive I still remember that message. Well I guess I better stop its not that I ahave that much against UPCI if that is what you chose to beleive. it is just that is all I ever knew before my wife and children left. So sorry that I compare things to UPCI I will try not to do too much more of it.
Have you ever watched someone recount an injustice they experienced or a run in they've had in the past and seen the anger rekindled and grow as they remembered and retold the incident? Some times that happens when we remember and recount some of our experiences with former UPC (or other churches) ministers, officials, or members. And some times that anger manifests itself in the way we word our posts.

Sam 04-06-2010 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Newman (Post 58423)
I got goose bumps reading this! Wow. :cool:
Bro. RRFord has written some real good stuff on here over the years --and he's rebuked me for some of the stuff I've said that he didn't agree with.

He hasn't posted anything on here since November of last year.

Arphaxad 04-06-2010 09:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 894980)
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded, but it just hit me as funny. Nothing against you Godsdrummer! Now I feel bad for laughing! :sorry

I do feel I must agree with Prax on this though. I've heard some excellent sermons and life changing at that.
He who laughs last.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...........................laughs,hahahahahahahaha


BTW- I like the original post/study.
I like you too GD.


:doggyrun

King Sami 04-07-2010 12:19 AM
Re: Of Cherubims, Altars and Empty Tombs
 
From Hebrew cherubim , cherub + "-"; the Hebrew is plural, but the translators chose to add -s when borrowing the word into the English form, probably because the readers of the Authorized Version would not be familiar with Hebrew or Latin plurals.

Godsdrummer 04-07-2010 08:18 PM
Re: Of Cherubims, Altars and Empty Tombs
 
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 895054)
Have you ever watched someone recount an injustice they experienced or a run in they've had in the past and seen the anger rekindled and grow as they remembered and retold the incident? Some times that happens when we remember and recount some of our experiences with former UPC (or other churches) ministers, officials, or members. And some times that anger manifests itself in the way we word our posts.

Too true Sam,
See the thing is, of the primary three churches that I attended growing up the one we were truely from and called home, came a number of ministers and missionaries and evangelist to use terms used in pentecost. Out in the Pacific Northwest UPC churches did not get much over 100. and when they did the pastor was accused of dropping their standards.
We were also one of the biggest givers per capita accross the USA. The point of all this is that up until last year I would visit on occasion for my Mom still is staunch UPCI and thinks I am lost. LOL
And I had many very close friends in UPCI ministry as I carried UPC license for 10 years started a church etc (old history).
What gets me is the close mindedness in UPCI ranks at least in my part of the country. And trust my I have heard some of the best preachers UPC has to offer as our pastor held a position on the foreign missions board at headquarters. See I have been out for 10 years and still speak like I am part of it. And we had them visit often.
I hope this explains where I come from and why sometimes I say things the way I do towards UPCI.
You see at least in my part of the country if pastors preached more on the things of God than, tithing, the godhead, baptism in Jesus name, church attendance, and standards of holiness I would probably not have the opinion I have.
Although I would still have left.

mfblume 05-10-2010 01:29 PM
Re: Of Cherubims, Altars and Empty Tombs
 
I would like to see rrford develop that thought he presented here about the holiest of holies and Christ's tomb even more!


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