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Ferd 10-09-2008 11:27 AM

ACORN OBAMA and RICO
 
RICO is the federal ACT used to prosecute organized crime. There seems to be a rumor that a RICO investigation has begun that may end up linking ACORN, Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Howard Dean among others.

There could be absolutely nothing to it or it could be the beginning of the end for B. Hussein Obama..... and company.


http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/1...co-violations/

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Great Merciful Zeus! Tomorrow could be the start of Fitzmas: rumor in Chicago is Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating ACORN and Senator Obama campaign for RICO violations

rgcraig 10-09-2008 11:30 AM

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Wouldn't surprise me ONE BIT!

Ferd 10-09-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 606249)
Wouldn't surprise me ONE BIT!

Renda, there is some very strange deal with very small contributions coming from some odd name like Happy Face or some such down in Austin Tx. those small contributions from the same odd (yet not real) name arent being tracked due to laws about small contributions.

however, they add up to millions of dollars. and there is some quesiton that some of that (and i mean lots of $$$) is comeing from over seas.


Obama may have a problem.

TRFrance 10-09-2008 11:53 AM

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Article:

How ACORN Got Me Into Vote Scam

Last updated: 8:01 am
October 9, 2008
Posted: 4:31 am
October 9, 2008
CLEVELAND - Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they'd already signed up.

Barkley estimated he'd registered to vote "10 to 15" times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008...ts__132771.htm

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rgcraig 10-09-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606251)
Renda, there is some very strange deal with very small contributions coming from some odd name like Happy Face or some such down in Austin Tx. those small contributions from the same odd (yet not real) name arent being tracked due to laws about small contributions.

however, they add up to millions of dollars. and there is some quesiton that some of that (and i mean lots of $$$) is comeing from over seas.


Obama may have a problem.

I've seen that on the news - he will only have a problem if they investigate it and I hope they plan on doing that.

RevDWW 10-09-2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 606263)
I've seen that on the news - he will only have a problem if they investigate it and I hope they plan on doing that.

It won't be the left leaning, Obama endorsing, liberal, main stream media that investigates this now will it? :whistle

RevDWW 10-09-2008 12:16 PM

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What kind of social unrest do you think this would cause? The LA riots and fires will look like a family cook out compared to what would happen if Obama is charged with something like this.

Ferd 10-09-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 606283)
What kind of social unrest do you think this would cause? The LA riots and fires will look like a family cook out compared to what would happen if Obama is charged with something like this.

Rev, I simply DO NOT CARE. If they riot in my neighborhood, fine by me. I live in texas and we have laws on the books that say I can protect my family and my property. AND I WILL.

For far too long, America has been held hostage by this notion that if this group or that group doesnt get what they want, they will riot.

Let em riot. most of the time they are burning down their own neighborhoods anyway.

if they choose to riot outside of their neighborhoods, then use deadly force to protect people and property!

RevDWW 10-09-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606286)
Rev, I simply DO NOT CARE. If they riot in my neighborhood, fine by me. I live in texas and we have laws on the books that say I can protect my family and my property. AND I WILL.

For far too long, America has been held hostage by this notion that if this group or that group doesnt get what they want, they will riot.

Let em riot. most of the time they are burning down their own neighborhoods anyway.

if they choose to riot outside of their neighborhoods, then use deadly force to protect people and property!

I don't disagree with you on this. Just throwing it out there for discussion. I just think something like your scenario will cause more then just a little unrest. I'm not sure that by this time nest year we won't have things like that happening any way. I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me we are in for bad times ahead.

Ferd 10-09-2008 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 606287)
I don't disagree with you on this. Just throwing it out there for discussion. I just think something like your scenario will cause more then just a little unrest. I'm not sure that by this time nest year we won't have things like that happening any way. I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me we are in for bad times ahead.

Bro, the reason for my reply is that the dems are now suggesting that if Barak Obama doesnt get elected that will happen!


Talk about massive voter intemadation! "IF you dont vote for Barak Obama Black people will come burn your house down"

Talk about racism and intemadation! and this is coming from the LEFT. From Obama supporters. Its disgusting.

tstew 10-09-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606290)
Bro, the reason for my reply is that the dems are now suggesting that if Barak Obama doesnt get elected that will happen!


Talk about massive voter intemadation! "IF you dont vote for Barak Obama Black people will come burn your house down"

Talk about racism and intemadation! and this is coming from the LEFT. From Obama supporters. Its disgusting.

Ferd, in all honesty, I do not see rioting coming from the Black community if you do not vote for Obama. Obama is not the first Black candidate to run and the others have never really even gotten the Black support. I think that that rumor is just fear-mongering.

Ferd 10-09-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 606297)
Ferd, in all honesty, I do not see rioting coming from the Black community if you do not vote for Obama. Obama is not the first Black candidate to run and the others have never really even gotten the Black support. I think that that rumor is just fear-mongering.

Stew, I dont either. But last night James Carville made such a comment.

I suspect in the last weeks of this campaign one of the things the dems are going to have to deal with (and rightfully so) is the Bradley effect.

however, what appears to be part of that stratagy from democrats is to link this Bradley effect to rioting if it happens.

The Bradley effect is a documented phenomina where white voters tell pollsters they are voting for the candidate of color but then actually vote for the white candidate (party doesnt matter)

I think it is stupid. I dont think there would be any rioting (unless some leaders decide to whip up the crowd). But clearly there has been thru the years, a threat of riot in the black community if certain things dont happen.

TRFrance 10-09-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606251)
Renda, there is some very strange deal with very small contributions coming from some odd name like Happy Face or some such down in Austin Tx. those small contributions from the same odd (yet not real) name arent being tracked due to laws about small contributions.

however, they add up to millions of dollars. and there is some quesiton that some of that (and i mean lots of $$$) is comeing from over seas.


Obama may have a problem.

At this point though, time is on Obama's side.

He's pretty much looking to run out the clock now.
It's possible this could blow up on him like the JeremiahWright thing did in February, but I have my doubts.

I kinda wonder if it would have been better for the Jeremiah Wright thing to have come out now, rather than back in February.

tstew 10-09-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606303)
Stew, I dont either. But last night James Carville made such a comment.

I suspect in the last weeks of this campaign one of the things the dems are going to have to deal with (and rightfully so) is the Bradley effect.

however, what appears to be part of that stratagy from democrats is to link this Bradley effect to rioting if it happens.

The Bradley effect is a documented phenomina where white voters tell pollsters they are voting for the candidate of color but then actually vote for the white candidate (party doesnt matter)

I think it is stupid. I dont think there would be any rioting (unless some leaders decide to whip up the crowd). But clearly there has been thru the years, a threat of riot in the black community if certain things dont happen.

There has been some ridiculous riots in specific neighborhoods when specific things happened in those areas that were very close to the people in those areas. These were basically confined to the area where a perceived blatant injustice was done and the frustration was basically localized. I do not see the Obama campaign as such a thing.

I have stated before that the ones who are doing this sort of rioting are not the ones involved or invested in the political process at all.

Ferd 10-09-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 606312)
There has been some ridiculous riots in specific neighborhoods when specific things happened in those areas that were very close to the people in those areas. These were basically confined to the area where a perceived blatant injustice was done and the frustration was basically localized. I do not see the Obama campaign as such a thing.

I have stated before that the ones who are doing this sort of rioting are not the ones involved or invested in the political process at all.

and my point is that democrats have a list of talking points. THIS is now on that list. AND they are activelytaling about this.

and Stew, I work in a very diverse office. I have heard the word riot used by people of every race. Ive heard it said as a threat and I have heard it mentioned with concern.

tstew 10-09-2008 01:11 PM

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Have you heard Black people talk about rioting in the Black community as a distinct and real possibility?

Ferd 10-09-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 606354)
Have you heard Black people talk about rioting in the Black community as a distinct and real possibility?

yes.

tstew 10-09-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606368)
yes.

I can honestly say that the only place I have heard of this threat is through conservative media outlets and forums...and I do talk to a lot of Black folk :)

I just do not see Black rioting if Obama does not win.

Ferd 10-09-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 606371)
I can honestly say that the only place I have heard of this threat is through conservative media outlets and forums...and I do talk to a lot of Black folk :)

I just do not see Black rioting if Obama does not win.

stew, when either individual black people or white people say such things, i am not really that put off by it.

Because what individual hard working folk like me and you (regardles of race) are doing when they say things like that is repeating what they heard on tv some place.

The ONLY place where it matters is when this becomes part of the political discourse. and i am telling you that dems are starting to hint at this.

James Carvile is no novice. He isnt some dude they pulled in off the streets. James is a top level democrat stratigist. and "Riot" is now being linked to Bradley effect by dems.

THAT is a threat. and it is really taking place. RIGHT NOW.

Jermyn Davidson 10-09-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606290)
Bro, the reason for my reply is that the dems are now suggesting that if Barak Obama doesnt get elected that will happen!



Hey Ferd,
Can you provide a link for this?

Jermyn Davidson 10-09-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606251)
Renda, there is some very strange deal with very small contributions coming from some odd name like Happy Face or some such down in Austin Tx. those small contributions from the same odd (yet not real) name arent being tracked due to laws about small contributions.

however, they add up to millions of dollars. and there is some quesiton that some of that (and i mean lots of $$$) is comeing from over seas.


Obama may have a problem.


If it turns out that Sen. Obama has a verifiable role in some kind of corruption scheme, he will not get my vote.

I can hold my nose and vote for Sen. McCain-- I'm not that drunk on any candidate's kool aid.

The WHOLE reason why Sen. Obama is so apealing to me has a lot to do with the fact that he is NOT just another politician.


I really want to see what comes of this.

TRFrance 10-09-2008 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 606354)
Have you heard Black people talk about rioting in the Black community as a distinct and real possibility?

Unfortunately, yes I have (and notice the quote):
"...If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!"
- Fatimah Ali, Philadelphia Enquirer.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opin...orge_Bush.html

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Jermyn Davidson 10-09-2008 08:35 PM

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I followed the link but did not see what you were talking about. Please advise.

TRFrance 10-09-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 606703)
I followed the link but did not see what you were talking about. Please advise.

If you're referring to my post... the link was in response to tstew's question:
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 606354)
Have you heard Black people talk about rioting in the Black community as a distinct and real possibility?

I answered in the affirmative, and provided a link to Fatimah Ali's article. She didn't merely predict rioting if McCain wins, but a full fledged race war. (I provided the direct quote there in my post also.)

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Esther 10-09-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 606246)
RICO is the federal ACT used to prosecute organized crime. There seems to be a rumor that a RICO investigation has begun that may end up linking ACORN, Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Howard Dean among others.

There could be absolutely nothing to it or it could be the beginning of the end for B. Hussein Obama..... and company.


http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/1...co-violations/

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Great Merciful Zeus! Tomorrow could be the start of Fitzmas: rumor in Chicago is Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating ACORN and Senator Obama campaign for RICO violations

Ferd what is the short verison of what is RICO?

rgcraig 10-09-2008 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 606724)
Ferd what is the short verison of what is RICO?

In 1970, Congress passed the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961-1968. At the time, Congress' goal was to eliminate the ill-affects of organized crime on the nation's economy. To put it bluntly, RICO was intended to destroy the Mafia.

Esther 10-09-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 606728)
In 1970, Congress passed the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961-1968. At the time, Congress' goal was to eliminate the ill-affects of organized crime on the nation's economy. To put it bluntly, RICO was intended to destroy the Mafia.

I knew about that just didn't recognize it called RICO, but thanks for the heads up.

tstew 10-09-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 606686)
Unfortunately, yes I have (and notice the quote):
"...If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!"
- Fatimah Ali, Philadelphia Enquirer.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opin...orge_Bush.html

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TR, with all due respect, I'm talking about real people, not some nut with a pen. You will find a quack to say just about anything. I'm seeing the majority of real people both black and white scoff at these remarks and see them as fear-mongering on one hand and posturing on the other. Personally, I doubt I would take anything Fatimah Ali of the Philadelphia Enquirer wrote seriously...and I doubt you or anybody else would either. I'm sure that this will be the first and only time that you or anyone else has quoted her. It's just that this particular extreme quote fits into the fear-mongering that some on the right have been putting out there. I'm sure that they will be looking to her in the future for insight on what will happen in our nation...not :)

Jermyn Davidson 10-09-2008 09:48 PM

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Ok. Read it.

Idiot planting seeds of excuse for violent idiots.

deacon blues 10-11-2008 12:38 AM

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This ACORN stuff might be worse than the Ayers stuff for BO.


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