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deacon blues 10-09-2008 12:35 PM

The Reality: Obama Supporters Can't Elucidate Why
 
If our good friends on the other side of the aisle here on AFF were truly convinced that they had a logical, reasonable, understandable and sensible rationale for their support of Obama we would have seen and heard it by now. The absence of the most ardent supporters of the Obama campaign here on AFF is very telling that when asked numerous times to explain their passionate support of this man for president, the answers never materialized.

The reality is that rather than people supporting McCain because they're AGAINST Obama, Obama supporters are supporting him because they are AGAINST Bush/Cheney, the GOP and they have embraced the biased accounts of the Bush presidency via mainstream media, Michael Moore, Oliver Stone, Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Arianna Huffington and the Daily Kos (Kooks), Sean Penn, Oprah, and the celebrity bunch.

There is a reason why young people tend to support the worst of candidates: McGovern, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry. Its because they are young, lack wisdom and experience, they are impressionable, they are heavily inflenced by media and celebrities and pop culture, and they often follow the choices of their peers. There is a reason why elders vote differently: they have lived a while and they understand what real life is all about.

The biblical account of Reheboam's disasterous rise to the throune after his father Solomon died is a case in point. Solomon in order to expand and uild his kingdom had laid heavy taxes on the people. When Reheboam became king after his father's death, the elders approached him and encouraged him to lift the tax burden as a gesture of good faith to the nation. The young men counseled Reheboam to do the opposite: raise the taxes and show the nation who is boss. Consequently Reheboam lost the ten northern tribes over it and Israel was never the same.

The lesson? The voices of wisdom typically come from the aged. When you see a bunch of young people gravitating to something and a bunch of elders doing the opposite, it is a safer bet to follow the wisdom of the elders.

The whys of supporting Obama are weak and stylisitc at best. McCain is the safe choice for our next president. If only the young would humble themselves and listen.........................................

Dedicated Mind 10-09-2008 01:18 PM

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the aged are not always the wisest, niether are christians always the wisest, else we never would have had civil rights for minorities or voting rights for women.

SlowFade 10-09-2008 01:22 PM

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If you like having a weekend off to go to church....thank a Union. If the industrialists had their way they'd work you like dogs every day of the week.

rgcraig 10-09-2008 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606362)
If you like having a weekend off to go to church....thank a Union. If the industrialists had their way they'd work you like dogs every day of the week.

What?

I have the weekend off and I'm not union and a union has NOTHING to do with me being off.

However, there are plenty of places around here that ARE union and they DO work weekends.

SlowFade 10-09-2008 01:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 606363)
What?

I have the weekend off and I'm not union and a union has NOTHING to do with me being off.

However, there are plenty of places around here that ARE union and they DO work weekends.

Of course you don't get it. You're too short sighted. At one time labor laws were virtually nill in the United States. It took Unions standing up for workers rights to set a work week and manditory time off. Yes, today most businesses function along these set standards....and yes many union shops have contracts wherein members work weekends. But truth be told....if it wasn't for the labor movement and the stand that Unions took against an abusive labor system you'd be worked like a dog.

If you're thankful for a weekend....thank a Union.

Unions...the people who brought you "the weekend".

scotty 10-09-2008 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606367)
Of course you don't get it. You're too short sighted. At one time labor laws were virtually nill in the United States. It took Unions standing up for workers rights to set a work week and manditory time off. Yes, today most businesses function along these set standards....and yes many union shops have contracts wherein members work weekends. But truth be told....if it wasn't for the labor movement and the stand that Unions took against an abusive labor system you'd be worked like a dog.

If you're thankful for a weekend....thank a Union.

Unions...the people who brought you "the weekend".


Unions .... the people who sent our businesses overseas !!!

Thats right, I said it. Unions were good starting out, then they got greedy. Companies had to pay workers more to do less. Well guess what "sunshine". Who do you think pays those higher wages for lower quality goods ? Me and you. The major cause of increase in the price of American goods is the Unions. The reason companies have been out sourcing for years now is because they get the same cheaper from forgien workers. Yes , I'm all for paying the American worker what the worker is worth. But Unions have create a payrate that not only the companies can no longer afford, but neither can the American economy. Want an example? Been to Detroit lately ?

Ferd 10-09-2008 02:09 PM

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ahh yes. yet another reason to oppose Barak Obama.

UNIONS.


It is a little known fact that the democrats and Barak Obama plan on passing legislation that will allow unions to force OPEN VOTING.

Basically that means that Union members will not have the basic right of a secret ballot for ANYTHING.

even in Right to Work states, when a union comes in and wants to set up a union in a previously non-union area, the workers will be required to vote openly and without the benifit of casting their balot in private.


anyone see where that is headed?

All in favor say YES, all opposed line up over there so we can break your leg!

MissBrattified 10-09-2008 02:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 606359)
the aged are not always the wisest, neither are Christians always the wisest, else we never would have had civil rights for minorities or voting rights for women.

DM: Does this mean you are going to provide a lucid list of reasons why you are voting for Barack Obama? And no fair maligning the opponent--just be supportive of your guy. :coffee2

SlowFade 10-09-2008 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 606386)
Unions .... the people who sent our businesses overseas !!!

Thats right, I said it. Unions were good starting out, then they got greedy. Companies had to pay workers more to do less. Well guess what "sunshine". Who do you think pays those higher wages for lower quality goods ? Me and you. The major cause of increase in the price of American goods is the Unions. The reason companies have been out sourcing for years now is because they get the same cheaper from forgien workers. Yes , I'm all for paying the American worker what the worker is worth. But Unions have create a payrate that not only the companies can no longer afford, but neither can the American economy. Want an example? Been to Detroit lately ?

I don't deny that unions have gotten greedy. Union leadership in my union provided a video on Hormel and how they blew it and lost all their jobs when the factory moved out of town. The leadership emphasized the need to negotiate and actually compromise with management....because a compromise is far better than loosing a job.

Dedicated Mind 10-09-2008 02:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 606431)
DM: Does this mean you are going to provide a lucid list of reasons why you are voting for Barack Obama? And no fair maligning the opponent--just be supportive of your guy. :coffee2

I've already listed my reasons on another deacon thread. I don't think listing reasons is going to change anyone's view. I'm just here having fun.:thumbsup

Ferd 10-09-2008 02:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 606441)
I've already listed my reasons on another deacon thread. I don't think listing reasons is going to change anyone's view. I'm just here having fun.:thumbsup

point me to those reasons. i would certainly like to see them.

SlowFade 10-09-2008 02:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 606431)
DM: Does this mean you are going to provide a lucid list of reasons why you are voting for Barack Obama? And no fair maligning the opponent--just be supportive of your guy. :coffee2

I think Obama's pick for VP demonstrates why I'm going to vote for him. A VP needs to be a seasoned leader who can rally Congress and a nation in the wake of a national tragedy wherein the President has lost his or her life. It's hardly a job for an amature. Obama chose Biden. While I wasn't thrilled with Obama still lacking experience as President his choice demonstrated the widsom and care he'd have as a leader when it comes to subordinates and advisors.

McCain picked Palin. An inexperienced amature politician. I have no confidence that she could run the country should a tragedy unfold and McCain loose his life. He chose her hoping to pick up disenfranchized Hillary voters from Obama. It's obvious that McCain doesn't give a skunk about America navigating a crisis in the wake of his death....he picked her to win an election. That causes me considerable pause when considering who he might pick as subordinates and advisors too.

Obama, in my opinion played a better hand that demonstrated wisdom. Now...had McCain picked someone more seasoned than Biden....that would have been REAL interesting.

deacon blues 10-09-2008 02:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 606441)
I've already listed my reasons on another deacon thread. I don't think listing reasons is going to change anyone's view. I'm just here having fun.:thumbsup

GOOD! I must have missed that one. I'll have to go search it out. I cant wait to read it.

deacon blues 10-09-2008 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606444)
I think Obama's pick for VP demonstrates why I'm going to vote for him. A VP needs to be a seasoned leader who can rally Congress and a nation in the wake of a national tragedy wherein the President has lost his or her life. It's hardly a job for an amature. Obama chose Biden. While I wasn't thrilled with Obama still lacking experience as President his choice demonstrated the widsom and care he'd have as a leader when it comes to subordinates and advisors.

McCain picked Palin. An inexperienced amature politician. I have no confidence that she could run the country should a tragedy unfold and McCain loose his life. He chose her hoping to pick up disenfranchized Hillary voters from Obama. It's obvious that McCain doesn't give a skunk about America navigating a crisis in the wake of his death....he picked her to win an election. That causes me considerable pause when considering who he might pick as subordinates and advisors too.

Obama, in my opinion played a better hand that demonstrated wisdom. Now...had McCain picked someone more seasoned than Biden....that would have been REAL interesting.

This rationale is perplexing.

So McCain shows lack of wisdom in picking Palin as a VP running mate. BUT Obama has LESS executive experience than Palin and he is the TOP OF THE TICKET!!!!

Your concern is that Palin lacks experience and isn't qualified to be president and that there is a chance that Mac might die while in office, BUT Obama lacks experience and isn't qualified to be prez and he would be president from DAY ONE!!!!!

I am corn-fused:crazy

MissBrattified 10-09-2008 03:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 606441)
I've already listed my reasons on another deacon thread. I don't think listing reasons is going to change anyone's view. I'm just here having fun.:thumbsup

Oh, you did? Can you point me to the thread? I didn't see it. TY!!!!!! :)

Dedicated Mind 10-09-2008 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 606526)
Oh, you did? Can you point me to the thread? I didn't see it. TY!!!!!! :)

He will tax the rich
Bring down the deficit
Balance the budget
Bring economic prosperity
Save social security
Make college more affordable
Expand healthcare for all Americans
Strenghthen international institutions
Bring peace to the middle east
Lead us away from oil dependency

jediwill83 10-09-2008 07:11 PM

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Wow...why not add curing AIDS and cancer to the list.

jediwill83 10-09-2008 07:15 PM

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The big question is HOW?Lenin promised some great stuff too.....and we know how that turned out.

SlowFade 10-10-2008 05:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 606466)
This rationale is perplexing.

So McCain shows lack of wisdom in picking Palin as a VP running mate. BUT Obama has LESS executive experience than Palin and he is the TOP OF THE TICKET!!!!

Your concern is that Palin lacks experience and isn't qualified to be president and that there is a chance that Mac might die while in office, BUT Obama lacks experience and isn't qualified to be prez and he would be president from DAY ONE!!!!!

I am corn-fused:crazy

Of course you're confused, you're a McCain voter.

Obama may not have all the experience you and I would like a President to have....but he demonstrated far better wisdom in his VP pick than McCain. That tells me that Obama chooses subordinates and advisors wisely; his cabinate will be strong and capable. McCain chose an inexperienced VP candidate (one just as bad if not worse than Obama himself). That tells me McCain's cabinate and advisors will be a circus of ineptitude.

SlowFade 10-10-2008 05:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 606663)
The big question is HOW?Lenin promised some great stuff too.....and we know how that turned out.

Distortion.

At least half of Obama's first term will be spent helping America get back on track. Most of his initiatives will have to be changed in various ways to get through congress before becoming law.

To compare Obama with Lennin is to compare Bush with Hitler. It's a gross exaggeration that minimalizes the real evil in our world. Bush, with all his problems, isn't anywhere near as bad as Hitler. And Obama, with all his ambitious vision, isn't anywhere near as bad as Lenin.

And that's just the truth folks.

SlowFade 10-10-2008 05:52 AM

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I enjoyed this email that was shared in the general conversation area of the Fellowship Hall:

I'm a little confused.
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different.."
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is:
Local weather girl,
4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people,
20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and a heartbeat away from the presidency should a 72 year old man (who has had cancer 4 times) die.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard law graduate who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

scotty 10-10-2008 06:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606862)
Of course you're confused, you're a McCain voter.

Obama may not have all the experience you and I would like a President to have....but he demonstrated far better wisdom in his VP pick than McCain. That tells me that Obama chooses subordinates and advisors wisely; his cabinate will be strong and capable. McCain chose an inexperienced VP candidate (one just as bad if not worse than Obama himself). That tells me McCain's cabinate and advisors will be a circus of ineptitude.

Obama's VP pick is not exactly impressive. Remember, he is only popular in his own little world. The man has run for the presidential nomination how many times and lost ? Just like Palin, nobody knew who Bidden was before now.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606864)
Distortion.

At least half of Obama's first term will be spent helping America get back on track. Most of his initiatives will have to be changed in various ways to get through congress before becoming law.

This is the scariest part of this scenerio for me. Not just the fact that Obama will be "helping America get back on track" but :tease there will not be any checks and balances. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but will the Dems not have full control the entire government if Obama wins ? Aren't they looking to have enough to be fillabuster proof ?

I don't care if it's Dems or Rep. No one party should ever have COMPLETE control. Ever.

OldTimey 10-10-2008 06:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 606872)
Just like Palin, nobody knew who Bidden was before now.

Really?
Are you serious?

SlowFade 10-10-2008 08:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTimey (Post 606876)
Really?
Are you serious?

Scotty....I think you just didn't know who Biden was until now. lol

jediwill83 10-10-2008 09:22 AM

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my point was that I dont make a decision on promises made. I still would like to see a workable PLAN on how all this will be accomplished....and before you characterise me as a rabid Mccain supporter understand im not exactly frothing at the mouth over either candidate.

All4one 10-10-2008 09:31 AM

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Obama has no record to stand on. Why are people so enthused about him? Its not that they just like him better than McCain, they act like he is the answer to our problems, like we really really NEED him. I always laugh off the notion of him being anti-christ but now Im starting to wonder. The Bible says he would decieve the very elect or something like that.

deacon blues 10-10-2008 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606862)
Of course you're confused, you're a McCain voter.

Obama may not have all the experience you and I would like a President to have....but he demonstrated far better wisdom in his VP pick than McCain. That tells me that Obama chooses subordinates and advisors wisely; his cabinate will be strong and capable. McCain chose an inexperienced VP candidate (one just as bad if not worse than Obama himself). That tells me McCain's cabinate and advisors will be a circus of ineptitude.

Your own logic works against you.

You are saying you won't vote for Mac b/c of his VP pick and will vote for O b/c of his. Yet the very reasons you oppose Palin are the very same arguments against Obama. You undermine your own logic.

If Obama's lack of experience is not a reason to vote against him, how can you say it is a reason to vote against Mac b/c of Palin?

Does anyone else see the confused rationale here?

rgcraig 10-10-2008 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 607008)
Your own logic works against you.

You are saying you won't vote for Mac b/c of his VP pick and will vote for O b/c of his. Yet the very reasons you oppose Palin are the very same arguments against Obama. You undermine your own logic.

If Obama's lack of experience is not a reason to vote against him, how can you say it is a reason to vote against Mac b/c of Palin?

Does anyone else see the confused rationale here?

I do, but I've given up with him!

deacon blues 10-10-2008 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606865)
I enjoyed this email that was shared in the general conversation area of the Fellowship Hall:

I'm a little confused.
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different.."
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.

No. Chumming around Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, Dohrn and the like makes you "exotic" and "different".

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

No. Donating $800,000 to ACORN, attending Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, launching your political career in the living room in the home of Bill Ayers and voting against a bill that would protect children that survived botched abortions would make you a "radical".

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

Graduate from Harvard and espouse liberal ideology and you will become a STAR with Hollywood and Northeast liberal elites as well as the mainstream media. Graduate from community college and that makes you NORMAL like MOST AMERICANS! Of course you are the scorn of the snobs who think they are better than us all.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is:
Local weather girl,
4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people,
20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and a heartbeat away from the presidency should a 72 year old man (who has had cancer 4 times) die.

No. All of those things take leadership, he just lacks in EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP experience. Big difference. Big difference between a city councilman, state legislator, law professor and Senator versus someone who is the top executive in their areas of leadership: mayor and governor and you forgot to mention a CEO of a small business. Palin is at least as qualified as Obama if not more because of the EXECUTIVE experience she has. Obama has ZERO EXECUTIVE experience.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

I would say being a member of a so-called Christian church for 20 years that says "G-D D--N America!" or has guest ministers that curse in the pulpit, or espouses racist theology would at least cause folks to question your Christianity. Obama is to be applauded for his marriage and children. Doesn't mean he ought to be President.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

I don't think anyone is saying Mac is prestine example of Christianity. I think it says he is flawed like th rest of us. Besides if you voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and defended him throughout his presidency---WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????????

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

It is responsible to teach young people that it's okay to have sex ouotside of marriage, just as long as you don't get pregnant? How about teaching self control and discipline and morality and being responsible by encouraging marriage and hard work and family??????

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

No. You are responsible when you TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS (i.e. if you gonna have sex, you might get pregnant and you ought to own up and have the baby).

If your wife is a Harvard law graduate who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

No. Your family's values don't respresent America's not for the good works mentioned above, but for being the MOST LIBERAL SENATOR in the US SENATE. America's history has not embraced the radical agenda of the left.

If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

Yes. Because there a re a lot of Americans are just like Todd Palin. There are more non-college educated Americans than there are. He is a member of the United Steelworkers Union, works in a difficult occupation in the oil fields of the North Slope of Alaska, and although he may have once belonged to a radical right wing political group, do you really want to compare him, a man who is running for NOTHING and the roll out the laundry list of the dubious, weird, wacky liberal radical organizationsthat Mr. Obama is affiliated with???? I know you don't want to go there.

Nice try. But these arguments are weak, VERY weak.

Esther 10-10-2008 02:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 606535)
He will tax the rich
Bring down the deficit
Balance the budget
Bring economic prosperity
Save social security
Make college more affordable
Expand healthcare for all Americans
Strenghthen international institutions
Bring peace to the middle east
Lead us away from oil dependency

You actually believe this?

Esther 10-10-2008 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 607008)
Your own logic works against you.

You are saying you won't vote for Mac b/c of his VP pick and will vote for O b/c of his. Yet the very reasons you oppose Palin are the very same arguments against Obama. You undermine your own logic.

If Obama's lack of experience is not a reason to vote against him, how can you say it is a reason to vote against Mac b/c of Palin?

Does anyone else see the confused rationale here?

Yes I think they need to raise the voting age! :friend

Esther 10-10-2008 02:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowFade (Post 606865)
I enjoyed this email that was shared in the general conversation area of the Fellowship Hall:

I'm a little confused.
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different.."
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is:
Local weather girl,
4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people,
20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and a heartbeat away from the presidency should a 72 year old man (who has had cancer 4 times) die.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard law graduate who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

I would love to see if those names are among the living.

OldTimey 10-10-2008 03:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 607139)
Yes I think they need to raise the voting age! :friend

Then they'd have to raise the age of those entering the armed forces.

rgcraig 10-10-2008 03:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTimey (Post 607186)
Then they'd have to raise the age of those entering the armed forces.

Are they getting to vote this time? I know that was an issue last time with the forces in Iraq. I sure hope they do!

deacon blues 10-11-2008 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 607140)
I would love to see if those names are among the living.


A very good question Esther!


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