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Ferd 10-13-2008 10:17 AM

Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Here is a link to the actual Senate version of a bill that will end secret ballots for groups that want to organize a union. Under the link you I have copied the co-sponsors of the bill and highlighted Mr. Obama.

Notice the language of the Sec. 2. if a majority of workers in a business sign a card stating they want a Union, then there will be no election (as there is now), where the workers get to vote in secret.
This will allow unions that we all know are corrupt and rife with organized crime to intimidate people into voting for unionization.

"All for the union stand in that line, everyone against go over there so we can break your leg!"


Somebody that likes Obama, please explain how you can support him given these facts?????



http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~c110dxXaAx::


Mr. KENNEDY (for himself, Mr. DODD, Mr. HARKIN, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mr. BINGAMAN, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. REED, Mrs. CLINTON, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. BROWN, Mr. BYRD, Mr. INOUYE, Mr. BIDEN, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. KERRY, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Mr. REID, Mr. CONRAD, Mr. KOHL, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. AKAKA, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. DORGAN, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. FEINGOLD, Mr. WYDEN, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. JOHNSON, Ms. LANDRIEU, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. BAYH, Mr. CARPER, Ms. STABENOW, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. NELSON of Florida, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. WEBB, Mr. CASEY, Mrs. MCCASKILL, Ms. KLOBUCHAR, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, and Mr. TESTER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions



SEC. 2. STREAMLINING UNION CERTIFICATION .

(a) In General- Section 9(c) of the National Labor Relations Act (29 U.S.C. 159(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(6) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, whenever a petition shall have been filed by an employee or group of employees or any individual or labor organization acting in their behalf alleging that a majority of employees in a unit appropriate for the purposes of collective bargaining wish to be represented by an individual or labor organization for such purposes, the Board shall investigate the petition. If the Board finds that a majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for bargaining has signed valid authorizations designating the individual or labor organization specified in the petition as their bargaining representative and that no other individual or labor organization is currently certified or recognized as the exclusive representative of any of the employees in the unit, the Board shall not direct an election but shall certify the individual or labor organization as the representative described in subsection (a).

Pressing-On 10-13-2008 10:35 AM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 608615)
Here is a link to the actual Senate version of a bill that will end secret ballots for groups that want to organize a union. Under the link you I have copied the co-sponsors of the bill and highlighted Mr. Obama.

Notice the language of the Sec. 2. if a majority of workers in a business sign a card stating they want a Union, then there will be no election (as there is now), where the workers get to vote in secret.
This will allow unions that we all know are corrupt and rife with organized crime to intimidate people into voting for unionization.

"All for the union stand in that line, everyone against go over there so we can break your leg!"


Somebody that likes Obama, please explain how you can support him given these facts?????



http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~c110dxXaAx::


Mr. KENNEDY (for himself, Mr. DODD, Mr. HARKIN, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mr. BINGAMAN, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. REED, Mrs. CLINTON, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. BROWN, Mr. BYRD, Mr. INOUYE, Mr. BIDEN, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. KERRY, Mr. ROCKEFELLER, Mr. REID, Mr. CONRAD, Mr. KOHL, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. AKAKA, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. DORGAN, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. FEINGOLD, Mr. WYDEN, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. JOHNSON, Ms. LANDRIEU, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. BAYH, Mr. CARPER, Ms. STABENOW, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. NELSON of Florida, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. WEBB, Mr. CASEY, Mrs. MCCASKILL, Ms. KLOBUCHAR, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, and Mr. TESTER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions



SEC. 2. STREAMLINING UNION CERTIFICATION .

(a) In General- Section 9(c) of the National Labor Relations Act (29 U.S.C. 159(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(6) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, whenever a petition shall have been filed by an employee or group of employees or any individual or labor organization acting in their behalf alleging that a majority of employees in a unit appropriate for the purposes of collective bargaining wish to be represented by an individual or labor organization for such purposes, the Board shall investigate the petition. If the Board finds that a majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for bargaining has signed valid authorizations designating the individual or labor organization specified in the petition as their bargaining representative and that no other individual or labor organization is currently certified or recognized as the exclusive representative of any of the employees in the unit, the Board shall not direct an election but shall certify the individual or labor organization as the representative described in subsection (a).

That's what I'd like to know!

Pressing-On 10-13-2008 01:08 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Ferd,
Your link is saying, "Search results are only retained for a limited amount of time.Your search results have either been deleted, or the file has been updated with new information." Wonder why, huh? lol

Anyway, I have some people asking me for the Title of the Legislation? Can you post that here? Thanks!

Ferd 10-13-2008 01:20 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Employee Free Choice Act of 2007

HR 800 EH

Pressing-On 10-13-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 608763)
Employee Free Choice Act of 2007

HR 800 EH

Thanks, I just found it!

The misnamed Employee Free Choice Act effectively eliminates secret ballot union elections and strips workers of their privacy.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lab...ad/bg_2175.pdf

This is a counter link. Can you look it over and comment, if you have time?

http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/...596-84-84.html

Ferd 10-13-2008 02:31 PM

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I guess Obama supporters around here just dont care.

rgcraig 10-13-2008 02:33 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 608812)
I guess Obama supporters around here just dont care.

I think we've bored them away.

tstew 10-13-2008 02:41 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
What is he stating as his reason to support this?

Pressing-On 10-13-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 608828)
What is he stating as his reason to support this?

Probably the same reason he votes against handgun ownership. Pretty sure of that, Stew.

Full Throttle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bliss :bliss

tstew 10-13-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 608830)
Probably the same reason he votes against handgun ownership. Pretty sure of that, Stew.

Full Throttle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bliss :bliss

No, that was a serious question. I waswondering what the rationale or argument would be for this.

And just to keep the nature of our political sparring alive, I feel compelled to tell you that you need to go back and restudy his stance on gun control and the federal policy he said he would adapt. :)

rgcraig 10-13-2008 03:01 PM

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Control?

Pressing-On 10-13-2008 03:02 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 608853)
No, that was a serious question. I waswondering what the rationale or argument would be for this.

And just to keep the nature of our political sparring alive, I feel compelled to tell you that you need to go back and restudy his stance on gun control and the federal policy he said he would adapt. :)

Okay, :kickcan You're just getting a little bossy around here! :girlfriend

I will study what he "said/says" and what he has "done".

Ferd 10-13-2008 03:06 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tstew (Post 608828)
What is he stating as his reason to support this?

I am not real sure what his argument is. A feller could make a great argument on why stink dont stink but stink will still stink wont it?

Look I dont think this goes much deeper than the Unions want this, the unions are the top supporters of democrats and the democrats think unions are awesome.


does it need to be any deeper than that? Stew, stink is stink no matter what one believes about it.

tstew 10-13-2008 03:22 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 608863)
I am not real sure what his argument is. A feller could make a great argument on why stink dont stink but stink will still stink wont it?

Look I dont think this goes much deeper than the Unions want this, the unions are the top supporters of democrats and the democrats think unions are awesome.


does it need to be any deeper than that? Stew, stink is stink no matter what one believes about it.

I wasn't trying to make a statement, I was just trying to figure out or find out what he or any of the others who signed off on this would articulate as their reasoning. I know that what they articulate is not necessarily the real reason (you know my healthy skepticism concerning politicians), I'm just curious as to what reasoning they would give anyway.

tstew 10-13-2008 03:22 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 608858)
Okay, :kickcan You're just getting a little bossy around here! :girlfriend

I will study what he "said/says" and what he has "done".

:tease:tease:tease

Ferd 10-13-2008 04:35 PM

Re: Obama and Unions. The END of secret ballots!
 
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 608887)
I wasn't trying to make a statement, I was just trying to figure out or find out what he or any of the others who signed off on this would articulate as their reasoning. I know that what they articulate is not necessarily the real reason (you know my healthy skepticism concerning politicians), I'm just curious as to what reasoning they would give anyway.

I think this is simple. it will increase membership in Unions.

Democrats think that is a good thing generally.

Secondly Unions want this. Democrats get a good bit of thier cash from unions.

but I dont know what they really say.

Sam 10-13-2008 07:27 PM

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The union organizers could intimidate enough people to sign up for unionization. Under the old or present system there would then be a secret ballot for the actual unionization. Some that had been intimidated or bullied into signing the original petition could vote no anonymously on a secret ballot and then the union might not get in. Union people would not like secret ballots because then they would not know who to punish.

deacon blues 10-13-2008 10:30 PM

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George McGovern, the icon of libs, is advertising against it.


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