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Hoovie 10-26-2008 10:43 AM

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I enjoyed some liturgical worship today at the local Missouri Synod Lutheran church.

There are aspects of a liturgically structured service that I enjoy very much and others not so much. Like our own Pentecostal services, it's apparent there is plenty tradition - be that good or bad.

Ron 10-26-2008 10:47 AM

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Liturgical? By that do you mean Hymns?

Michael The Disciple 10-26-2008 10:50 AM

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Yeah is there a video example?

Hoovie 10-26-2008 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 615824)
Liturgical? By that do you mean Hymns?

Actually the entire service. Very formal, alternate readings of scripture, a few candles... Reciting the Apostles creed... etc. (no incense, Holy water or icon busts of saints though)

Ron 10-26-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 615828)
Actually the entire service. Very formal, alternate readings of scripture, a few candles... Reciting the Apostles creed... etc. (no incense, Holy water or icon busts of saints though)

I wouldn't say that I prefer that mode of worship, but I will let you in on secret----I do enjoy those same Churches and thier Christmas Eve Carols by candle light!:whistle

A_PoMo 10-26-2008 12:00 PM

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I enjoy visiting high church worship services that feature ritual and contemplative prayer. There are some things I like about it, there other things I don't like. Same as our low church worship style. I'd like to see a blend of both, that'd be cool.

mfblume 10-26-2008 12:02 PM

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An interesting side note is that liturgical worship is allegedly patterned after scenes in Revelation with the incense etc.

ILG 10-26-2008 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 615822)
I enjoyed some liturgical worship today at the local Missouri Synod Lutheran church.

There are aspects of a liturgically structured service that I enjoy very much and others not so much. Like our own Pentecostal services, it's apparent there is plenty tradition - be that good or bad.

I generally do not like liturgical worship. I probably had my fill of that growing up Catholic.

Antipas 10-26-2008 12:09 PM

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I enjoy liturgical worship. The readings and responses keep the congregation grounded in the Word via the reading. The homilies are short and to the point, very little ranting, rambling, or drifting from topic to topic. If I remember correctly liturgical worship evolved in the first century church because there wasn't a "Bible" that each member brought to church. The appointed bishops and elders of a church often had the Scriptures and as NT letters were compiled they would read them aloud and the congregation would repeat the reading for both learning and memorization.

I have a close friend who is Catholic and she's invited me to come to Mass with her sometime in the near future. She lent me a Catechism, which I've been studying, and I'm looking forward to the service.

mfblume 10-26-2008 12:49 PM

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Liturgy is not for me! :)

TRFrance 10-26-2008 01:33 PM

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That stuff is too close to Catholicism for me.

ReformedDave 10-26-2008 01:52 PM

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In our church we have a liturgy but not a 'high' one. Most of our music is comtemporary along with hymns but a definite pattern is present. Kind of nice not to worry about what comes next......

Sister Alvear 10-26-2008 01:59 PM

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:shockamoo is what comes next...ha...:hanky


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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 615884)
In our church we have a liturgy but not a 'high' one. Most of our music is comtemporary along with hymns but a definite pattern is present. Kind of nice not to worry about what comes next......


Sister Alvear 10-26-2008 02:03 PM

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:dancing:choir:preach am headed out to our service...
It is going to be great!
We have about 20 more getting ready for baptism.

Sister Alvear 10-26-2008 02:04 PM

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Thought IŽd put in some sign language in case you wonder what we do in church! ha...

ReformedDave 10-26-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 615887)
:shockamoo is what comes next...ha...:hanky

Probably not:whistle

Praxeas 10-26-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 615822)
I enjoyed some liturgical worship today at the local Missouri Synod Lutheran church.

There are aspects of a liturgically structured service that I enjoy very much and others not so much. Like our own Pentecostal services, it's apparent there is plenty tradition - be that good or bad.

Even many of our Pentecostal services are structured worship and honestly...I hate it. I think we need to make time to just wait on God to move instead of rushing through our program

Hoovie 10-26-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 615945)
Even many of our Pentecostal services are structured worship and honestly...I hate it. I think we need to make time to just wait on God to move instead of rushing through our program

I have very mixed feelings on this.

I find aspects of the formality to be reverent and respectful of God and the place of assembly. For example reciting (and praying) the Lords Prayer in unison is generally a very sacred and moving thing to me. As is confessing our sins, together, out loud... a deliberate and specific admission of our need followed by the reassurance that the payment was made for once and for all.

I think the idea that a planned and structured service is by definition contrary to the anointing and God's will is erroneous.

mfblume 10-26-2008 04:15 PM

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Can people honestly picture the early church running a liturgical service? Incense, ominous, funeral-like hymns?

mfblume 10-26-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 615945)
Even many of our Pentecostal services are structured worship and honestly...I hate it. I think we need to make time to just wait on God to move instead of rushing through our program

That is true, but there must be order as well.

Hoovie 10-26-2008 04:17 PM

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Now I don't think I could go along with some of the other practices found in these liturgical churches...

In the case of the Lutheran Missouri Synod there seems to be a very close attachment of forgiveness of sins and communion - which is a weekly practice. However, I have similar reservations regarding the Pentecostal custom of altar calls for saints and shockamoo as a "sign" of connecting to God.

El Predicador 10-26-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 615828)
Actually the entire service. Very formal, alternate readings of scripture, a few candles... Reciting the Apostles creed... etc. (no incense, Holy water or icon busts of saints though)

Sure, schedule a formal move of God.

Hoovie 10-26-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 615966)
Can people honestly picture the early church running a liturgical service? Incense, ominous, funeral-like hymns?

Not in the extreme - no. But neither do I believe the early church was rock'in out to "Jesus on the Mainline" or a typical Pentecostal revival service.

Margies3 10-26-2008 05:00 PM

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You know what? I've been around the barn a few times. Ok, maybe more than a few. I grew up in a semi-formal church that didn't worship the liturgy, but certainly used enough in their services to be considered a liturgical congregation. Then I moved to an Apostolic Church for many years. And now I am back in a church that is probably less liturgical than the church I grew up in, but liturgical still-the-same.

I used to think "Catholic" or "Lutheran" when you said the word liturgical. I've changed that. Now when I think liturgical, I think of following a familiar form in worship.

In that sense, I have to tell you that I would probably find MOST, if not all, Apostolic Churches to be liturgical in their own ways. Even those who don't follow a familiar formula for most of their services do something that I consider liturgical: when things don't seem to be "working", they return back to the familiar - to what has worked in the past.

So do I like liturgical worship? I guess you could say I do :) I don't like things like a high mass or something like that. But I do like the familiar where I can feel most comfortable and just relax and worship my God without worrying that I'll get busy worshiping and the service will take a sudden turn, leaving me behind and embarrassed. LOL

ReformedDave 10-26-2008 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 615945)
Even many of our Pentecostal services are structured worship and honestly...I hate it.

I used too.....

ReformedDave 10-26-2008 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 615977)
Sure, schedule a formal move of God.

Pentecostals do. It's called a 'revival'.

Praxeas 10-26-2008 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 615968)
That is true, but there must be order as well.

Thats why I say we need to make time. I believe we should have ordered services, but not so tight that we have to rush through programs.

We used to spend a lot more time between songs in just worship

Praxeas 10-26-2008 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 616017)
I used too.....

What I mean is, when the entire services is so structured that you are going from one program to another...structured. It becomes mechanical when you are not allowed to just spend time freely worshiping

El Predicador 10-26-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 616018)
Pentecostals do. It's called a 'revival'.

The dates are scheduled to have special services.

Not the same

Revival may or may not occur.

I assume this was in jest.

ReformedDave 10-26-2008 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 616025)

I assume this was in jest.

Not really......

Sister Alvear 10-26-2008 05:45 PM

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Well, I just got in from a wonderful service and I am exhausted! We had an awesome time...WOW...
Those young people got with it tonight...I saw even some kids talking in tongues...

marthaolivia 10-26-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 615945)
Even many of our Pentecostal services are structured worship and honestly...I hate it. I think we need to make time to just wait on God to move instead of rushing through our program

I love spontaneous worship services. I love to feel the presenceof God.

Hoovie 10-26-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by marthaolivia (Post 616064)
I love spontaneous worship services. I love to feel the presenceof God.

This is sort of what I was saying earlier... much of this subjective... There was very little spontaneity involved this morning, but I very much felt the presence of God and His comfort.

ReformedDave 10-26-2008 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by marthaolivia (Post 616064)
I love spontaneous worship services. I love to feel the presenceof God.

Lest we forget, it's primarily about Him...we're secondary.

steve p 10-26-2008 08:04 PM

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Does it have to be either / or?????? I participate in many "types" or "styles" of worship.
Worship really isnt about what I "like". Blessings!!!

Hoovie 10-26-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by steve p (Post 616133)
Does it have to be either / or?????? I participate in many "types" or "styles" of worship.
Worship really isnt about what I "like". Blessings!!!

You are right it does not have to be either/or. I can appreciate various styles.

I guess the point is well taken that it's not about us and what we like... but somehow I can't imagine a worship experience that is desirable to God but loathed by the worshiper.

tstew 10-26-2008 08:27 PM

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I don't think I could take it for too long or on a regular basis.

steve p 10-26-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 616139)
You are right it does not have to be either/or. I can appreciate various styles.

I guess the point is well taken that it's not about us and what we like... but somehow I can't imagine a worship experience that is desirable to God but loathed by the worshiper.

I wonder what Paul and Silas would have to say about the topic..
Blessings!

marthaolivia 10-26-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 616109)
Lest we forget, it's primarily about Him...we're secondary.

I understand that. I was only answering the question "Liturgical Worship - do you like it?" :)

Hoovie 10-26-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by steve p (Post 616173)
I wonder what Paul and Silas would have to say about the topic..
Blessings!

Yeah, I understand.


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