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rgcraig 10-27-2008 11:50 AM

Palin Hanging by a Noose Halloween Display
 
Oct 27, 2008 10:17 am US/Pacific

Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.ma....2.849299.html

Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if this was Obama?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ig/Palin31.jpg

George 10-27-2008 11:57 AM

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Thoroughly disgusting!!! If it were Obama, West Hollywood might be on fire by now.

tstew 10-27-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by George (Post 616485)
Thoroughly disgusting!!! If it were Obama, West Hollywood might be on fire by now.

George, I love you but I resist this notion that everytime something like this is done a city ends up on fire.

I've seen a poster circulated of Obama and a noose with the caption "Asphixiation:The (expletive) Solution.

A Republican Womens group sent out literature that had Fake food stamp dollars with Obama's picture on it and pictures of watermelons, fried chicken and the likes.

The idiot Republican youth President made his statements about Obama's lips without a great fallout or violence.

Then there is this gem in Ohio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hKnxrIoucU

You've got the idiot who is now popular for his Obama monkey.

You could go on and on with examples of stupid people doing stupid things. What you cannot do is focus on those stupid people or try to make it indicative of the majority.

I would imagine that such an effigy of Obama would be met like this one with "some people giggling and others outraged".

Is there a more significant connotation of Obama hanging by a noose?...Absolutely. Is there some great riot everytime some idiot does something like that?...Absolutely not.

tamor 10-27-2008 12:46 PM

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Really sad.

MrsMcD 10-27-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tamor (Post 616500)
Really sad.

My thoughts exactly!

Cindy 10-27-2008 01:29 PM

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There are ignorant people on both sides of the fences. Lord help us all if any of them gain power.

DividedThigh 10-27-2008 01:31 PM

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stupidity crosses all political lines

Jermyn Davidson 10-28-2008 01:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 616482)
Oct 27, 2008 10:17 am US/Pacific

Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.ma....2.849299.html

Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if this was Obama?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ig/Palin31.jpg



Classless, not funny at all.

tamor 10-28-2008 07:46 AM

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Should this not be considered a hate crime?

Sam 10-28-2008 07:59 AM

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The Obama ghost in Fairfield, Ohio is just a few miles (maybe 5 or 6) from my house. I haven't seen it and don't know if it is still there or not.

In my opinion, hanging people in effigy is part of our "free speech."
Burning a flag is also "free speech" thanks to our Supreme Court.

Esther 10-28-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tamor (Post 617161)
Should this not be considered a hate crime?

Yes it is and IF it had been Obama you would have the media still on it. It would not be right no matter who they are hanging. :)

Jermyn Davidson 10-28-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tamor (Post 617161)
Should this not be considered a hate crime?

I don't think so.

Hate Crime Laws target crimes committed against a person for various reasons: Race, sexual behavior, religion... etc.

However, Female Republicans are not covered under Hate Crime Laws, as far as I know.

This classless display of hatred is stems from their hatred of Gov. Palin, just because they don't like her politics.

Praxeas 10-28-2008 04:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 616482)
Oct 27, 2008 10:17 am US/Pacific

Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.ma....2.849299.html

Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if this was Obama?
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ig/Palin31.jpg

I wonder who would be giggling if this was Obama instead.

tstew 10-28-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 618124)
I wonder who would be giggling if this was Obama instead.

Prax, there are idiots in all shapes and sizes. Believe me, there have been Obama effigies and the other examples that I posted earlier in this thread...and plenty racist emails and things of that nature that has produced many a giglle. I just choose not to focus on those idiots or give them any more power or voice than they already have...because it is usually pretty little.

rgcraig 10-31-2008 03:14 PM

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http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/574675.html

LEXINGTON, Ky. -- A University of Kentucky student and another man were arrested Thursday, accused of hanging a life-sized likeness of Barack Obama from a tree on the campus.

The incident was one of several in recent weeks involving effigies of the presidential candidates or their running mates. No charges have been filed in four other cases that have made national headlines.

Monroe said the two men told detectives they decided to hang the effigy after seeing media reports about a Sarah Palin effigy in California.

Tyk 10-31-2008 03:28 PM

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Idiots on both sides indeed. All of its sad.

I must admit, from a media stand point , i think it would be a bigger deal if it was Obama.

Course I could be wrong =P

Esther 10-31-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 620279)
http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/574675.html

LEXINGTON, Ky. -- A University of Kentucky student and another man were arrested Thursday, accused of hanging a life-sized likeness of Barack Obama from a tree on the campus.

The incident was one of several in recent weeks involving effigies of the presidential candidates or their running mates. No charges have been filed in four other cases that have made national headlines.

Monroe said the two men told detectives they decided to hang the effigy after seeing media reports about a Sarah Palin effigy in California.

No surprise here. Of course, they did nothing about Sarah Palin effigy.

HappyTown 10-31-2008 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 620312)
No surprise here. Of course, they did nothing about Sarah Palin effigy.

I think it due to the fact that the Sarah doll is faceless. Unlike Obama, they used a mask resembling his face!

SOUNWORTHY 10-31-2008 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 620373)
I think it due to the fact that the Sarah doll is faceless. Unlike Obama, they used a mask resembling his face!

No, do to the fact that it wasn't Oshama. Face or no face no one had any doubts who was hanging. Where was the guy's in Kentucky's freedom of speech. Is it just a one way street.

HappyTown 10-31-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 620430)
No, do to the fact that it wasn't Oshama. Face or no face no one had any doubts who was hanging.

Hmmm. kinda looks more like a cross dresser to me!

tstew 10-31-2008 10:04 PM

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Where is my banging my head into the wall smilie?

Oh there it is...
:crazywalls

To me this is an issue of apples and oranges. There are things that you can do and hang on your property that you cannot do and hang on somebody eles property. There are cases of people hanging Obama in effigy in their yards that generated media and public attention but no arrests...kind of like the Palin one did.

However, is there different symbolism tied to hanging an Obama doll by the neck? Yes...it's just history and reality and perception.

Esther 11-01-2008 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 620451)
Hmmm. kinda looks more like a cross dresser to me!

Everyone else got the message, sorry you missed it.

Esther 11-01-2008 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 620508)
Where is my banging my head into the wall smilie?

Oh there it is...
:crazywalls

To me this is an issue of apples and oranges. There are things that you can do and hang on your property that you cannot do and hang on somebody eles property. There are cases of people hanging Obama in effigy in their yards that generated media and public attention but no arrests...kind of like the Palin one did.

However, is there different symbolism tied to hanging an Obama doll by the neck? Yes...it's just history and reality and perception.

I don't think so Tstew. It is wrong no matter where you hang it or who does it.

tstew 11-01-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 620599)
I don't think so Tstew. It is wrong no matter where you hang it or who does it.

It may be wrong any place...but not illegal any place. I thoughht the issue was why the police were involved in the one situation.

MissBrattified 11-01-2008 09:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tstew (Post 620508)
Where is my banging my head into the wall smilie?

Oh there it is...
:crazywalls

To me this is an issue of apples and oranges. There are things that you can do and hang on your property that you cannot do and hang on somebody eles property. There are cases of people hanging Obama in effigy in their yards that generated media and public attention but no arrests...kind of like the Palin one did.

However, is there different symbolism tied to hanging an Obama doll by the neck? Yes...it's just history and reality and perception.

I'm going to agree with Tstew on this one. I think it is shockingly terrible, but I agree that from an historical perspective, it has a different meaning if one hangs a (figure of a) black man or woman from a noose.

The one thing that bothers me, though, is that it seems like a reverse answer to an imagined slight. A kind of "in-your-face" response to those racists who would string up Obama, by stringing up Palin instead. Maybe I'm the only one perceiving it that way. But from that context, if I'm not far off point, that would be a sort of reverse racism, because it assumes the "right" wanted Obama in a noose. Or, maybe, my imagination is just running away with me. :D

I just can't think of a good reason to use the noose, except as a reference to racism, perceived or otherwise in the opposing political camp.

tstew 11-01-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 620620)
I'm going to agree with Tstew on this one. I think it is shockingly terrible, but I agree that from an historical perspective, it has a different meaning if one hangs a (figure of a) black man or woman from a noose.

The one thing that bothers me, though, is that it seems like a reverse answer to an imagined slight. A kind of "in-your-face" response to those racists who would string up Obama, by stringing up Palin instead. Maybe I'm the only one perceiving it that way. But from that context, if I'm not far off point, that would be a sort of reverse racism, because it assumes the "right" wanted Obama in a noose. Or, maybe, my imagination is just running away with me. :D

I just can't think of a good reason to use the noose, except as a reference to racism, perceived or otherwise in the opposing political camp.

Miss B, there are times when people do hang people in effigy without it having to do with race. I'm sure that if we were to here about everytime a popular figure was hung in effigy anywhere, we would get at least one news story per day.

Esther 11-01-2008 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 620611)
It may be wrong any place...but not illegal any place. I thoughht the issue was why the police were involved in the one situation.

You may be right.........but I don't think so, because in Houston there were some folks that hung racist stuff at their home and they were arrested for a hate crime. ???

Esther 11-01-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 620620)
I'm going to agree with Tstew on this one. I think it is shockingly terrible, but I agree that from an historical perspective, it has a different meaning if one hangs a (figure of a) black man or woman from a noose.

The one thing that bothers me, though, is that it seems like a reverse answer to an imagined slight. A kind of "in-your-face" response to those racists who would string up Obama, by stringing up Palin instead. Maybe I'm the only one perceiving it that way. But from that context, if I'm not far off point, that would be a sort of reverse racism, because it assumes the "right" wanted Obama in a noose. Or, maybe, my imagination is just running away with me. :D

I just can't think of a good reason to use the noose, except as a reference to racism, perceived or otherwise in the opposing political camp.

I think your over thinking this. :):ursofunny

tstew 11-01-2008 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 620760)
You may be right.........but I don't think so, because in Houston there were some folks that hung racist stuff at their home and they were arrested for a hate crime. ???

I'm not familiar with that story to be honest with you. I was just pointing out the difference in these stories.

HappyTown 11-01-2008 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 620597)
Everyone else got the message, sorry you missed it.

I got it!!! But could careless !!! If you did some reading on the matter you find they took ole Palin down!

MissBrattified 11-01-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 620761)
I think your over thinking this. :):ursofunny

Probably. :tease


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