Are we now proven to be a post-racist society?
 

What do you think about this statement:

A mixed race candidate used the race card to get elected in a post-racist society, and it will re-kindle racism.

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I'd say it's an statement largely devoid of reality and facts.

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You've not exactly got the market cornered on either commodity.

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Thanks for that. Your kindness and graciousness is duly noted. Peace to you my friend. :friend

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You're quite welcome!

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And, furthermore, doesn't this election result COMPLETELY put Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton out of business? Isn't their issue over now? Permanently?

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One could only hope.

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When I consider that 95% of blacks voted in favor of disincentivizing my initiative, work ethic, innovation, and willingness to take capital risk, I feel a small amount of vague, disembodied umbrage. I can't help but wonder what a non-Christian will make of it.

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Racism will never end. There are too many people who enjoy being the "victim" and having an excuse to pass blame.

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i think race helped him more in the primaries then in the election itself. Blacks make up like 14% of the nations population, so it took alot of white votes for him to win. Being black helped him get the democratic nomination for sure.

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The greatest fear of many whites is to be accused of racism. This is a rational fear, because it can be a career-ender, even if the accusation is groundless. Since most people do not understand the difference between racism (a sin) and prejudice (a sometimes erroneous judgment call), many have what is called "white guilt." It is the irrational feeling that an individual middle class white person is somehow personally responsible for the lower standard of living of a minority.

Voting for a "black" man is the ultimate absolution for people with such feelings. It is a near-religious experience, and temporarily soothes their conscience. However, such people are easily manipulated by peer pressure and other devices, so it won't be long before they are convinced that voting was a good start, but as of yet they haven't given nearly enough.

I could be wrong. We shall see.

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I think today that there isn't near the racism than is touted. There are those who make their living off of this commodity and it is their bread and butter to shine large lights on every possible example of racism they can find.

Is there racism today? Yes...

Are there racists today? Yes...

Is the average American a racist? No...

Racism is amplified at every possible opportunity to keep the fears alive. This causes people feel that the average American (white American especially) is a racist and this causes those who feel that way to harbor hatred for those who they feel are prejudiced against them.

The interesting result of that is that whites become pre-judged (isn't that prejudice) in the eyes of others as being racist.

The perception of widespread racism in American will only "go away" when those cashing their paycheck from the term stop the consistent drumming.

When the attack alarms are constantly being heard the mentality that one is under attack never goes away.

This election goes to show that the line that is being towed by these charlatans is not in keeping with the true state of the mind of the average American.

Hate is their bread and butter and hate does not live unattended. Hate must be maintained.

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WOW!
Great post.

You know, even my Dad feels different about America today.


"The younger white folks just aren't as racist as they used to be. It's amazing to me that we have a Black President."

Dad, born in 1947.

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So President Obama is a "non-Christian"?

What is he then?

You know he has at least attended an Apostolic church service. That alone does not a Christian make, but if he isn't a Christian (in the broadest sense), then what is he?

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Yes, things have absolutely come a long way. My father was born in 1942 and some of the things that he went through would probably make people's blood boil here on this forum (both white and black).
Some parts of the country lagged behind quite a bit. My wife was born in a very small town in Mississippi and in her lifetime she remembers seprate sitting areas at the doctors office. So most of it is in our rearview mirror...some further back than some would portray and some of it closer than some would portray.

I think though that every generation the country has made significant strides and that as some of the badder influences fade away, things get better.

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yeah I don't buy that line of thinking either. Most of the folks who voted for President Obama did so without using his race as the deciding factor.

Had President Obama ran as a Republican, he would have lost.

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1399 The poll show the younger generation rocked the vote! The polls also said the younger generation realized it was up to them to make sure they had a future. As one young man said, we younger people realized early in the game our parent generation wasn't about change, so we took the lead!

My kids drag me to the polls, they all voted Obama, I wrote in! I was overwhelmed by just how many young people were there from our small town, it was a good thing. This Election was the first time I ever saw all three of my kids get so involved, they watch the debates and ever other thing that had to do with this Election. It the end they decided, they all switch from Republicans to Democrat in support of Obama, I support their choice!


By the way my daughter has a button that reads...

Another REDNECK "ELITIST" For Obama...;)

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I hate to say this because of what others might think, but I feel like most black people voted for Obama because he is black...for no other reason to say "Finally! We got a black person in the white house"...that some how this means something....but it reminds me of the mindset that we had here in LA when they acquitted Simpson. It seemed to me that a lot of people did not care if he was guilty or not...him getting freedom represented something to a lot of black people.

I'd love to have a black president...honestly I don't care what race or sex one is....I care more about what that president will represent domestically and abroad. When we care more about sound bites and skin color and not domestic and foreign policy for a leader we have truly lost our way as a nation IMO.

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I voted for Barack Obama.

I've previously voted Republican since 1976.

I resent the implication that I voted for Obama out of some pansy-liberal "white guilt."

But of course these right wingers will continue to live in their fantasy world and refuse to look at the REAL reasons Bush Republicanism was soundly trounced and repudiated.

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What sort of change though? "Change" has become sadly another one of those sound bites that is never really defined. What sort of changes did our nation need, that it never had before, that Obama can bring...one that Clinton, Bush, Carter, Reagan and others did not?

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If we don't look at those real reasons, the Republicans will be trounced again, again and again-- regardless of who they send up.

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Is that why the black community voted for Clinton, Gore, Kerry, every other Dem in the last few decades, and would have voted for Hilary should she have won the nomination?

The black community was going to vote Dem no matter what...having a black candidate was just an unexpected privelege for most.

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Some folks tend to forget about that.

I dare say there was more than 1 Black person who voted for Sen. McCain.

I say again, had President elect Obama ran as a Republican, he would be Sen. Obama today, if this election rode on the "Black vote."

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I think the stats this time are MORE black people voted for Obama. I don't think they necessarily would have voted for Hillary en masse, but Im not necessarily talking about voting but the result AFTER the fact

Hillary lost the black vote during the primaries....

Someone posted stats on this board that more black people voted for Obama that have ever voted Democrat before

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Someone posted stats recently showing a much larger percentage than before voting democrat. Would that have happened with Clinton? I don't know. I admit I could be wrong.

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You misunderstand. I was rhetorically asking what the average non-Christian would make of the vote, within the context of a voting block nearly unanimously supporting the punishment of initiative and achievement.

I have the Holy Ghost and biblical convictions against racism. I wonder if OTHER people, specifically non-Christian whites, will succumb to this new temptation to revert to an older world view.

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There is a subtle distinction that you missed. I did not say that the phenomenon of white guilt toward the black race is the only reason whites voted for Obama. Most of Obama's supporters were energized and motivated by his hope and change message, and a pungent distaste for the Bush administration and its policies.

However, it would be sheer folly to deny the effect of the continual undercurrent of conditioning that Americans experience in virtually every arena of their lives. Conditioning to conform. Conditioning to abstain from judging. Conditioning to acquiesce to demands from special interest groups.

This conditioning contributed IMMENSELY to the complete lack of negative press about president-elect Obama. Only now are those responsible for informing the public becoming curious about what sort of person he is, and what he is likely to do. There is not much of a record that can be used to extrapolate.

Do you believe that Bush lied us into war and countless irresponsible deaths?

I am currently experiencing a personal rennaissance toward a place where I feel no responsibility whatsoever for the condition of "other people" no matter what their color. There are countless stories of people taking initiative to improve their lot in life and succeeding at the American Dream. This country has the fewest obstacles in the world for those who wish to ascend to the next income level / class of society.

None of my ancestors were in this country during the time of slavery. Those who clamor for reparations are frauds conjuring a false pity - a pity of the uninvolved living for the acts of those long dead upon others long dead. It's over, and I'm over it.

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The Tampa Bay Tribune did a story this week and they interviewed my older brother as part of it. Here is an excerpt:

Kenneth Stewart, pastor of Tampa's Tabernacle of Hope, didn't vote for Obama and doesn't agree with all his policies. Even still, the father of three girls was struck when he saw Obama come out on stage with his wife and two daughters Tuesday night.

"That could be my family," the Pentecostal preacher thought to himself.

Stewart, the son of an Army drill sergeant (I'm guessing they didn't want to say church missionary so they went back to his former self :)), doesn't usually show his emotions. At that moment, he did.

"I told my wife that there are country clubs we still can't join in this country, but now an African-American will be residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave."

There's much to like about the president-elect, though, and Stewart said he would give him the support he needs in these difficult times.

"People think because we have a black president, all of a sudden, overnight, things are going to change," Stewart said. "Until we stop making self-destructive choices, nothing is going to change."

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I think that whoever the Democrats put forward would have carried "the Black vote" like the Democrats always do.

Had Clinton earned the nod, she would have been supported.


Had Sen. Obama earned the nod as a Republican, he would be Sen. Obama, not President elect Obama.

This fact defies the notion that the majority of the Black voters who voted Democrat this time voted for Sen. Obama simply because of his race.