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MikeinAR 11-06-2008 09:42 PM
Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
for that awkward speech to the GOP convention in September. A blind man could have seen this coming. If you chair committee's as a Democrat it's probably not the best idea to go bad mouth the party's nominee. Looks like he gambled and lost.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/...rats_lieberman

deacon blues 11-06-2008 10:09 PM
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Mike, Joe Lieberman is an Independent who caucused with the Dems. The party gambled in 2006 and threw their support behind his opponent in the primaries that year. So he ran as an independent and beat the guy and the party who betrayed him. The Dems needed him to caucas with them because it would give them their only chance at a 51-49 advantage.

Now mums been the word until the Dems realized that they would not get their 60 vote supermajority, therefore not needing Lieberman. So Joe is expendable (what is it with the Dems and their hatred for Joes?).

I guess the Messiah's speech on election night about a change in the petty immature politics of the past was just rhetoric huh? These guys are not about change. We're going to get more of the same, only the names will have changed.

MikeinAR 11-06-2008 10:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 625743)
I guess the Messiah's speech on election night about a change in the petty immature politics of the past was just rhetoric huh? These guys are not about change. We're going to get more of the same, only the names will have changed.
Please. This has nothing to do with working with people on both sides of the aisle. Until he proves otherwise, I'll take Obama at his word that he's willing to work with people across party lines on issues where they can find common ground and it's good for the country. This has to do with making sure all of the people in their party actually support their party.

That has absolutely zero to do with allowing a member of your own party to chair congressional committees while continually publicly trashing the party and it's nominee. I'm sure they'll be glad to work with Lieberman on issues he can help on, but you and I both know that neither political party would allow his shenanigans to go on and allow him party leadership.

Sarah 11-07-2008 05:00 AM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 625733)
for that awkward speech to the GOP convention in September. A blind man could have seen this coming. If you chair committee's as a Democrat it's probably not the best idea to go bad mouth the party's nominee. Looks like he gambled and lost.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/...rats_lieberman
That's just politics for you, Mike. Remember the harsh things Biden said about Obama? Now he is his Vice President!

Baron1710 11-07-2008 05:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 625744)
Please. This has nothing to do with working with people on both sides of the aisle. Until he proves otherwise, I'll take Obama at his word that he's willing to work with people across party lines on issues where they can find common ground and it's good for the country. This has to do with making sure all of the people in their party actually support their party.

That has absolutely zero to do with allowing a member of your own party to chair congressional committees while continually publicly trashing the party and it's nominee. I'm sure they'll be glad to work with Lieberman on issues he can help on, but you and I both know that neither political party would allow his shenanigans to go on and allow him party leadership.
Which words are we going to believe from Obama? Reaching across party lines to a democrat means allowing you to join their cause. It is never to give up a little (to compromise) towards a more reasonable position. They had already done all they could to Joe, by trying to throw him out of his senate seat, because they needed him he was given a position. He could have campaigned for Obama and the leftist Senators who hate Joe would have still taken everything they could from him.

I am not a Lieberman fan on most of his politics but I think he is one of the most trust worthy men in the senate on either side of the aisle. He does what he believes is right regardless of what the public or his party thinks.

deacon blues 11-07-2008 05:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 625744)
Please. This has nothing to do with working with people on both sides of the aisle. Until he proves otherwise, I'll take Obama at his word that he's willing to work with people across party lines on issues where they can find common ground and it's good for the country. This has to do with making sure all of the people in their party actually support their party.

That has absolutely zero to do with allowing a member of your own party to chair congressional committees while continually publicly trashing the party and it's nominee. I'm sure they'll be glad to work with Lieberman on issues he can help on, but you and I both know that neither political party would allow his shenanigans to go on and allow him party leadership.
Joe is not a member of their party. He's Independent. They threw him under the bus. He mde them pay. They were fortunate that he was willing to caucus with them to give them a majority. He has every right to be Independent. They needed him to get a slim majority. He needed them to have a chairmanship.

Obama is the head of the party now. Not Reid, not Pelosi. As soon as BO heard word about what the Dems thought to do to JL HE COULD'VE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND SAY (sorry, got stuck on caps---I'm typing this on my phone, too time consuming to correct it), BO could pick up the phone and simpl tell them, "Revenge is old politics, I promised America Tuesday that petty immature politcs is over."

I think keeping a campaign promise is more important than getting even.

Light 11-07-2008 09:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 625791)
Joe is not a member of their party. He's Independent. They threw him under the bus. He mde them pay. They were fortunate that he was willing to caucus with them to give them a majority. He has every right to be Independent. They needed him to get a slim majority. He needed them to have a chairmanship.

Obama is the head of the party now. Not Reid, not Pelosi. As soon as BO heard word about what the Dems thought to do to JL HE COULD'VE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND SAY (sorry, got stuck on caps---I'm typing this on my phone, too time consuming to correct it), BO could pick up the phone and simpl tell them, "Revenge is old politics, I promised America Tuesday that petty immature politcs is over."

I think keeping a campaign promise is more important than getting even.
You sound as dingy as Sara. :roseglassesThe President has nothing to do with who chairs what committee. The senate Dem's gave Joe a chair position and it will be the senate Dem's who take it away from the traitor if they choose to. Joe is as phony as a $3 bill.

deacon blues 11-07-2008 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 625943)
You sound as dingy as Sara. :roseglassesThe President has nothing to do with who chairs what committee. The senate Dem's gave Joe a chair position and it will be the senate Dem's who take it away from the traitor if they choose to. Joe is as phony as a $3 bill.
Well, I bet Sarah knows that "dingy" is pronounced "din-jee" and means dark or dirty like a "dingy, old t-shirt". Trying to insult someone's intelligence is more effective if you know the meaning of the words you are using and how to spell a woman's name that has been plastered all over America for the past two months.

President-elect Obama is the HEAD of the party. That means he sets the tone and direction of his fellow Democrats. He promised a change in politics, a change in Washington, and handling Lieberman in a forgiving way would show how quickly he has assumed control of Washington and would show how quick he can deliver on the promise to change the partisanship.

Phony is a party that betrays a guy during the primaries in 2006, forcing him to go Independent, approaches him hat in hand when they need him for a one vote majority, and then when he is expendable they want to take revenge for his support of the Republican candidate. He was complimentary of BO but simply said his support of McCain had to do with his expereince. Joe is an avid Israel supporter and believes like McCain that this war on terror is tantamount.

Joe is no longer a Democrat. He is an Independent not of his choosing but because of his party that betrayed him. If he were a Democrat and openly supported Mac, your position would make sense. And if Obama had not claimed that Democrats were going to bring change to partisan and get even politcs, it would make sense. I am just pointing out that BO could really prove to alot of us who are skeptical that he means what he says by using his powers of persuasion and his magnetic aura to get Reid to follow his rhetoric and put their actions where the party leader's mouth is.

Light 11-07-2008 11:29 AM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 626032)
Well, I bet Sarah knows that "dingy" is pronounced "din-jee" and means dark or dirty like a "dingy, old t-shirt". Trying to insult someone's intelligence is more effective if you know the meaning of the words you are using and how to spell a woman's name that has been plastered all over America for the past two months.
Thank you for your lesson on spelling oh mighty one.:evilglee

MikeinAR 11-07-2008 01:03 PM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
I'm in the beautiful Ozarks sitting around a camp fire enjoying the start of Deer Camp 2008. I decided to take a break from my pursuit of the "big one" just to add something I read last nightm

When Lieberman was in deep trouble in 06 in the Dem primary, Lieberman begged Obama to come help him fundraise Obama went and gave a rousing speech of support for him when the other Dem's wouldn't because of his stand on Iraq.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama feels he was stabbed in the back.

By the way wish me luck on the hunt tomorrow.

Ferd 11-07-2008 02:11 PM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 626108)
I'm in the beautiful Ozarks sitting around a camp fire enjoying the start of Deer Camp 2008. I decided to take a break from my pursuit of the "big one" just to add something I read last nightm

When Lieberman was in deep trouble in 06 in the Dem primary, Lieberman begged Obama to come help him fundraise Obama went and gave a rousing speech of support for him when the other Dem's wouldn't because of his stand on Iraq.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama feels he was stabbed in the back.

By the way wish me luck on the hunt tomorrow.
I hope you shoot a big buck that looks just like keith oberman?

Jermyn Davidson 11-07-2008 10:42 PM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 626108)
I'm in the beautiful Ozarks sitting around a camp fire enjoying the start of Deer Camp 2008. I decided to take a break from my pursuit of the "big one" just to add something I read last nightm

When Lieberman was in deep trouble in 06 in the Dem primary, Lieberman begged Obama to come help him fundraise Obama went and gave a rousing speech of support for him when the other Dem's wouldn't because of his stand on Iraq.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama feels he was stabbed in the back.

By the way wish me luck on the hunt tomorrow.

If Lieberman wasn't even loyal to Obama, why would Obama use his influence to save his neck, again?

Lieberman is going to get whatever he has coming to him.

If Obama does not do anything to save Lieberman's Senate position, Obama is not in the wrong-- this is Senate politics. Who really respects a micro-manager?

deacon blues 11-12-2008 05:32 PM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 626436)
If Lieberman wasn't even loyal to Obama, why would Obama use his influence to save his neck, again?

Lieberman is going to get whatever he has coming to him.

If Obama does not do anything to save Lieberman's Senate position, Obama is not in the wrong-- this is Senate politics. Who really respects a micro-manager?
WEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL.............................. ..........................................

It looks like you BO defenders can do a mia culpa and praise BO for doing the RIGHT THING and backing up his campaign rhetoric that he wants to change politics as usual. Obama does the RIGHT THING---I give him kudos!

Obama Supports Keeping Lieberman in Democratic Caucus
By Paul Kane
Washington Post
November 12, 2008


President-elect Barack Obama has endorsed keeping Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) in the Democratic caucus, suggesting to the leadership that the two sides reach a compromise in the conflict over the former Democratic vice presidential nominee's future, sources said yesterday.

In a phone conversation last week with Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), Obama said that expelling Lieberman for his support of the Republican presidential ticket would send the wrong signal after Obama's promises to set partisanship aside, according to a Senate Democratic aide familiar with the conversation.

"President-elect Obama looks forward to working with anyone to move the country forward," Obama transition spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said yesterday. "We'd be happy to have Senator Lieberman caucus with the Democrats. We don't hold any grudges."

FULL STORY:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111101217.html

deacon blues 11-12-2008 05:35 PM
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Just a reminder from an earlier post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 625791)
Joe is not a member of their party. He's Independent. They threw him under the bus. He mde them pay. They were fortunate that he was willing to caucus with them to give them a majority. He has every right to be Independent. They needed him to get a slim majority. He needed them to have a chairmanship.

Obama is the head of the party now. Not Reid, not Pelosi. As soon as BO heard word about what the Dems thought to do to JL HE COULD'VE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND SAY (sorry, got stuck on caps---I'm typing this on my phone, too time consuming to correct it), BO could pick up the phone and simpl tell them, "Revenge is old politics, I promised America Tuesday that petty immature politcs is over."

I think keeping a campaign promise is more important than getting even.
Maybe this guy will be different.....................................

1 Fear Down.............................................. ................

1,203,403 Fears To Go!

deacon blues 11-13-2008 05:37 AM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 626108)
I'm in the beautiful Ozarks sitting around a camp fire enjoying the start of Deer Camp 2008. I decided to take a break from my pursuit of the "big one" just to add something I read last nightm

When Lieberman was in deep trouble in 06 in the Dem primary, Lieberman begged Obama to come help him fundraise Obama went and gave a rousing speech of support for him when the other Dem's wouldn't because of his stand on Iraq.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama feels he was stabbed in the back.

By the way wish me luck on the hunt tomorrow.
What about it Mike, 1399, Light?

You guys willing to criticize BO for not supporting the idea that Joe needs to pay for supporting MCCain? You all made a strong case for politics as usual and Joe paying the piper, what do you think about BO sending the message to Reid that he doesn't hold a grudge against Joe L.?

I thought before and do now, that BO forgiving Joe is the right thing and consistent with his promises to change Washington.

deacon blues 11-13-2008 02:13 PM
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HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOO?

Mike, 1399, Light, where AARRRREEEE YYYYYOOOOOUUUUU?

deacon blues 11-13-2008 02:15 PM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 625733)
for that awkward speech to the GOP convention in September. A blind man could have seen this coming. If you chair committee's as a Democrat it's probably not the best idea to go bad mouth the party's nominee. Looks like he gambled and lost.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/...rats_lieberman
Looks like somebody spoke to soon!:heeheehee

deacon blues 11-15-2008 06:05 AM
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Guys, just wanting a little retraction of what you were so sure about. Is Obama doing the right thing or not by forgiving Lieberman? Someone, anyone? MikeinAR, Light, 1399?

MikeinAR 11-15-2008 01:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 631673)
Guys, just wanting a little retraction of what you were so sure about. Is Obama doing the right thing or not by forgiving Lieberman? Someone, anyone? MikeinAR, Light, 1399?

DB, I'm not ready to retract anything and I think you're jumping the gun a little in declaring Lieberman unscathed. I believe that he will still be allowed to caucus with the Dem's because there who he votes with on things like abortion, the evironment, and taxes.

Obama made it clear this week that Lieberman's deal will be left up to Reid and the Senate Dem Caucus. What I think is still very up in the air is whether he will be allowed to chair his committees and have a leadership role. I still think it's a very good possibility that he will be stripped of his leadership roles in the Senate. Most Dem's are wanting him to stay in the caucus, but are mum on whether he gets to stay in leadership of the party he's spent the last year criticizing.

deacon blues 11-15-2008 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 631845)
DB, I'm not ready to retract anything and I think you're jumping the gun a little in declaring Lieberman unscathed. I believe that he will still be allowed to caucus with the Dem's because there who he votes with on things like abortion, the evironment, and taxes.

Obama made it clear this week that Lieberman's deal will be left up to Reid and the Senate Dem Caucus. What I think is still very up in the air is whether he will be allowed to chair his committees and have a leadership role. I still think it's a very good possibility that he will be stripped of his leadership roles in the Senate. Most Dem's are wanting him to stay in the caucus, but are mum on whether he gets to stay in leadership of the party he's spent the last year criticizing.
Your line of argument was that Obama would support retribution after I mentioned that to take revenge against Lieberman would be evidence that BO was not able to change the petty politics of the past. I will concede it isn't a done deal, but if Reid goes against the advice of the leader of his party, it will be a political loss for BO and for the Dems. For BO b/c it will show that he's in for a long four years with Reid and Pelosi struggling for power and for the Dems b/c they will be demonstrating that the election was all about winning the White House versus embracing the vision of the man who won it.

A_PoMo 11-19-2008 12:16 PM
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Well, it's official. Lieberman is welcomed back into the fold and gave kudos to Obama for being instrumental in making it all go away. He keeps his major chair and gets a slap on the wrist by giving up some up some minor stuff.

You gotta hand it to Lieberman, the guy comes across as a kind of rube but he's got brass ones and more lives than a reincarnated cat.

deacon blues 11-19-2008 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 634887)
Well, it's official. Lieberman is welcomed back into the fold and gave kudos to Obama for being instrumental in making it all go away. He keeps his major chair and gets a slap on the wrist by giving up some up some minor stuff.

You gotta hand it to Lieberman, the guy comes across as a kind of rube but he's got brass ones and more lives than a reincarnated cat.
I am grateful for Obama using his "Head of the Democrat Party" influence to make sure that his promise to change the petty politics of the past would be kept. It would have been the absolute wrong move to take revenge against JL in light of Obama's "Change We Can Believe In" mantra throughout the campaign.

He has a long way to go with me, but BO wins my praise on this one. Making Lieberman "pay the piper" would've been a stupid move.

A_PoMo 11-19-2008 03:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 635059)
I am grateful for Obama using his "Head of the Democrat Party" influence to make sure that his promise to change the petty politics of the past would be kept. It would have been the absolute wrong move to take revenge against JL in light of Obama's "Change We Can Believe In" mantra throughout the campaign.

He has a long way to go with me, but BO wins my praise on this one. Making Lieberman "pay the piper" would've been a stupid move.
DB, as much as it might surprise you :), I agree w/you. :friend

Pressing-On 11-19-2008 10:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 635059)
I am grateful for Obama using his "Head of the Democrat Party" influence to make sure that his promise to change the petty politics of the past would be kept. It would have been the absolute wrong move to take revenge against JL in light of Obama's "Change We Can Believe In" mantra throughout the campaign.

He has a long way to go with me, but BO wins my praise on this one. Making Lieberman "pay the piper" would've been a stupid move.
DB,
Obama had no choice, even if he didn't want to keep Lieberman and I don't think he did. The media would have been all over it. So, no, I'm not impressed. :D

RevDWW 11-20-2008 06:03 AM
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I wonder if it really just has something to do with that "magic" unstoppable filibuster busting Senate Majority number???????

Please excuse my cynicism...........:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

SOUNWORTHY 11-20-2008 05:59 PM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 635331)
DB, as much as it might surprise you :), I agree w/you. :friend

You can bet he didn't do it because he is a nice guy. We're getting change OK. Changed back to the Clinton years.

tstew 11-20-2008 08:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 635622)
DB,
Obama had no choice, even if he didn't want to keep Lieberman and I don't think he did. The media would have been all over it. So, no, I'm not impressed. :D
There's a shocker, PO :tease

Pressing-On 11-20-2008 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tstew (Post 636903)
There's a shocker, PO :tease
:toofunny :thumbsup :friend

deacon blues 11-21-2008 09:09 AM
Re: Joe Lieberman about to have to pay the piper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 635622)
DB,
Obama had no choice, even if he didn't want to keep Lieberman and I don't think he did. The media would have been all over it. So, no, I'm not impressed. :D
PO, r u kidding? The media all over BO for a gaffe or mistake or a broken promise? No, they are too drunk on the Obama Wine, it would've only been a story in the alternate media. The main-stream guys are still too obsessed with Sarah Palin: how much she spends on cosmetics per year, did she wear a padded bra during the beauty contest she was runner up in, and whether or not her toots smell.

Pressing-On 11-21-2008 09:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637177)
PO, r u kidding? The media all over BO for a gaffe or mistake or a broken promise? No, they are too drunk on the Obama Wine, it would've only been a story in the alternate media. The main-stream guys are still too obsessed with Sarah Palin: how much she spends on cosmetics per year, did she wear a padded bra during the beauty contest she was runner up in, and whether or not her toots smell.
Not kidding. I read an article that spoke about - now that Obama has won, watch how quick that same media will turn on him.

I've run across many articles written that have been weighing in on what they think he might do - keep his promises or not. I don't think the media is loyal to anyone other than who they are and what they want. They wanted Obama and now they want him to do what he promises. If he doesn't, they will talk about it.

A_PoMo 11-21-2008 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 637194)
Not kidding. I read an article that spoke about - now that Obama has won, watch how quick that same media will turn on him.

I've run across many articles written that have been weighing in on what they think he might do - keep his promises or not. I don't think the media is loyal to anyone other than who they are and what they want. They wanted Obama and now they want him to do what he promises. If he doesn't, they will talk about it.
I agree.


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