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Looks like I need to consider buying a new Bible.
I've got a lot of them in different versions but right now I'm mainly using about three of them. One is the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) and it is reaching the point where it is becoming unusable because it is worn and quite marked up. I have a Living Bible that I some times use for teaching or preaching. One that I've been using more than others lately is a Spirit Filled Life Bible which is NKJV. It is a hard back copy. It is designated for Charismatics and Pentecostals and Jack Hayford is the chief editor. There is an upgraded or updated version out now. I bought a copy of the newer one and gave it away. I didn't really compare it with my older version.

I'm considering buying a Scofield or Thompson. I've had both before and they held up for quite a few years. Is it my imagination, or have they changed the way they make Bible covers? It seems in the past the covers were leather (I think they called them bonded leather), they were flexible, and they were also leather lined. Newer versions I've seen in a couple of Christian book stores seem to have stiffer covers and they appear to be paper lined. Am I remembering the older ones accurately or is this an age thing with me? I'm 70 years old, will be 71 next month, and maybe it's all in my mind that Bibles from years ago were better than the newer ones.

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Check to see who financed the Scofield Bible when it first came out. Enlightening how a virtual nobody came to such eminence.

That might help you make your decision.

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Thirty years of Thompson for me.

Never have cared for the scofield.

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I've had a Scofield for almost 20 years. My only complaint is the cover. It got worn out pretty quick. I even had a Bible cover on it. I'm still using it.

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My first Bible was a Scofield, I read that one for about 20 years. Then I got a Thompson, but I never liked it as well as my Schofield. I think it is just what you get used to using. I also like using the Bible Gateway online.

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My first was a Scofield.

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I'm not sure I know what you mean.

The Scofield Bible is dispensationalist and cessationist. That would be two turnoffs for a lot of people.

The notes in the Scofield Bible were the basis (I think) for a correspondence course from MBI (Moody Bible Institute) many years ago.

The Scofield Bible would, from what I understand, be popular among Plymouth Brethren ( I don't know if there are any of them around any more) and "Darbyites" (if there are any of them around any more.)

I switched from a Thompson to a Scofield about 40 years ago. Neither of those old Bibles are usable. The Thompson was thrown away years ago. The Scofield has fallen apart and is a pile of loose pages in a desk drawer. The Thompson had room in the margins for notes, comments, etc. The Scofield had fairly wide margins for notes, comments, etc. If I remember correctly, the Thompson showed how to pronounce names and the Scofield did not. I haven't used a Thompson for almost 40 years and I haven't used a Scofield for 10 years.

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I find the pages do not hold up well on my Thompson. It is however 37 years old. I don't use it much though.

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Certain folks financed the Bible project. Scofield was a virtual nobody and suddenly had all this backing from some folks whose identities can be researched and learned to show you quite the insight as to the issue.

Put it this way, it was financed by people who are not Christians but wanted a certain concept promoted.

Also, check out the man's history with his personal family.

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I love my Thompson. When ready to replace I will buy another. Mine is the bonded leather in KJV. I use the Thompson chain as one of my study bibles and preach from it.
My dad enjoys Scofield.
Both are good.

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Scofield's is a prophecy study bible, alone, and that along one view, alone. Thompson's covers much more. I hear the UPC sells Thompson's with the two day home bible study in it -- or is it the one day deal? -- as well as the ONENESS doctrine in study form. Would that not be much better?

Personally I like the OXFORD marginal reference bible much better. It is far more handy in cross referencing passages and seeing meanings behind Greek and Hebrew words in the text. It has been especially useful to me when wanting to reference a quote in the New Testament from the Old.

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Everyone needs to read the book on the life of Scofield...

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Get a Thompson with a leather cover. You'll be happy with the feel and the wear.. stay away from bonder leather.. bonded leather is little pieces of leather glued together. It's like partical board is to the lumber industry.

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Seems like most of what I've seen is bonded and it has paper inside the cover.
Do they even offer the real leather (inside and outside the cover) any more?

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I also like the Thompson the best. I still have my scofield, but I haven't looked at it in years.

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I don't know if they have them with the leather inside the cover or not... but I do know that you want to stay away from the bonded leather.

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A good thing about the Thompson was the margins on either side. They were used for the "chain" type references but some times there was room to write in your own references, notes, and comments.

A former pastor, Bro. Frank Curts, used a Thompson Bible. At one time he was a rep. or dealer, or something like that for them. He suggested they issue a version with the margins blank so people could put their own references there.

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I have one of my fathers old Thompson's I would have to get it out and look to see if it is leather lined or not. I know it is leather covers. I think the material must be much better than the stuff used today as it is still together. much used and lots of notes but still together.

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PPH sales the Thompson chain with the Oneness doctrine in it. They re wonderful bibles and hold up very well. I have sold many of them.

You can get in in leather or bonded, I recommend the leather it will hold up better.

If I remember right the leather will cost you about $75.00 to $85.00 dollars.

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Sam Nelson has made a new Bible with Calf skin leather a little on the expensive side but worth every penny. The feel is wonderful it is just a Bible to read or preach has very little additions with it but you already have that stuff go look at one.

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And Thompson was Apostolic??? God grief. At least some of the Plymouth Brethren baptized in Jesus Name and Irving was out of the Brethren and he denounced the Trinity and spoke in tongues.

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Thompson was not apostolic, but the UPC took over the KJV translations with his notes and nows sells them with oneness, apostolic studies inside.

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I tried using those "chains", but they were indeed chains. Pun intended. lol. They're so limited on certain issues, and other marginal reference bibles, like the Oxford, are far more overspreading and not limited to certain points. Thompson's chains were so restrictive. You had to study his points and his little sermonettes, so to speak, when you followed his chains, whereas the Oxford, and Nelson I think, allows for you to simply go to all verses that cross reference the the point in the verse you are reading, as well as provide greek and hebrew alternate translations for certain words. These marginal references also give the meanings of Hebrew names at times.

I found that if a preacher wants little sermonettes practically all but prepared, the Thompson Chain is good. It even has an entire section in the back of subjects with all the scriptures one could use to preach that subject. I even preached one, myself, at one time. They are VERY GOOD little sermons for non-Christians to hear and new Christians to go by -- unless the PPH's version has removed that section.

But if a preacher simply builds his own sermons, the chain reference is useless, in my opinion, compared to Oxford's and Nelson's marginal references. At any rate, it is better than Scofield's study notes limited only to prophecy, and hard-core dispensationalism at that.

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I use a Wide Margin Bible (KJV).

I have had it since 1981 and it has held up pretty well.

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Hello Brother,

Thompson has their Centennial edition out this year, and they offer it in premium leather with the India paper. It's a beautiful edition.

I'm on my third Thompson in 30 years. Not that they don't hold up, but I wear them out! They are a great study bible.

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Hello Brother,

Wasn't it Irving and Darby who originated the doctrine of Imminent Return?

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No Acutally it was Paul.:tease

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LOL

I think it was them, though. Prior to approx. 1828, no one taught it, and no one separated the "catching away" from the Second Coming and Day of the Lord.

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You mean Paul did not live until 1828?????

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Paul didn't separate them, either. He believed the catching away would take place at the Day of the Lord. He also taught that believers would face the Man of Sin. (2Th 2:1-3)

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No, as Nathan Urshan said, Paul and the apostles thought it was in their day but we KNOW today it is our day.

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Get a Broad-Holman center column reference KJV bible,I prefer that over a Thompson Chain Reference or a Scofield.

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Go high class get a Cambridge,The Cambridges used genuine leather.
Broad-Holman makes bibles with genuine leather bindings too.

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Who was Scofield somebody asked ?
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm

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That site may have some credibility problems.
It advocates the idea that not Islamic terrorists but the U.S. Government blew up the trade towers by remotely controlled aircraft.

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But do not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Zionism is the belief that Israel MUST have the land in the middle east due to God's plan for them to rule the world, which dispensationalism quite nicely agrees with.

Not all Jews are Zionist, but all Zionists are Jews, unless you have the half-bred "Christian Zionism" like John Hagee. Many Jews disagree strongly with Zionism.

I was intrigued by some information I found that stated Scofield was financed by Zionists to print his bible, and these people were certainly not Christians at all. They wanted some funds to float over their way to help their plans get financed in return.

Now, I am not against Israel having their land in the middle east. But when Christians cannot even witness about Jesus in Israel, and cannot evangelize unless they agree (like Graham and the Pope) that Jews do not need Jesus, but will come to God under law, then I have a problem with supporting Zionism.

Check out JEWS AGAINST ZIONISM: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

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from Jews against Zionism:



Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky

Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky

STATEMENT TO THE U.N. SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE July 16, 1947:

From the time of King Solomon to our very days the Holy Land was either united with Trans-Jordan or attached to Syria or Turkey. Western Palestine was never a single and independent entity and certainly a part of that cannot possibly constitute an independent state, as envisaged in the various plans that are discussed from time to time.

However, the basic reason for our opposition to an Independent Jewish state as that in prevailing circumstances the officially recognised representation of the Jewish people does not consider the authority of the Holy Law as binding in the public affairs of the Jewish people. . . .

. . . .and it is contrary to the wishes of G-d to create a Jewish State. . .

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Interview with Rabbi I. Domb

Conflicts with Scofield's Zionism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QfgvDXsDds

True Torah Jews is a non-profit organization founded by a group of Orthodox Jews dedicated to informing the world, and the American public and politicians in particular, that the ideology of Zionism is in total opposition to the teachings of traditional Judaism.