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Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 12:18 AM

Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
Property Damage

http://www.truveo.com/Hopeless-4-Hat.../id/1139395164


Upside Down Flag Stolen (2nd link video)

http://www.examiner.com/r-3600551~Lo...ag_Stolen.html

http://kdka.com/video/?id=48785@kdka.dayport.com


Attempted Racial Intimidation

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=3.2.1


Mississippi-- As if anyone would be shocked....

http://www.nbc6.net/education/17958757/detail.html


Beaten In His Home For Expressing His Opinion (video)

http://kdka.com/video/?id=48782@kdka.dayport.com


Yet Another Teen Near Death, (POSSIBLY) For Supporting Obama

http://www.topix.com/city/bronx-ny/2...pporting-obama


Teacher's Aide "Speaking Out" (video)
http://kdka.com/video?id=48741@kdka.dayport.com



I honestly did not see this stuff coming.

Are there folks out there who saw this and see more of this kind of stuff coming our way?

Or are most of you like me in hoping these are just isolated events?

HappyTown 11-12-2008 12:41 AM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629144)
Property Damage

http://www.truveo.com/Hopeless-4-Hat.../id/1139395164


Upside Down Flag Stolen (2nd link video)

http://www.examiner.com/r-3600551~Lo...ag_Stolen.html

http://kdka.com/video/?id=48785@kdka.dayport.com


Attempted Racial Intimidation

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=3.2.1


Mississippi-- As if anyone would be shocked....

http://www.nbc6.net/education/17958757/detail.html


Beaten In His Home For Expressing His Opinion (video)

http://kdka.com/video/?id=48782@kdka.dayport.com


Yet Another Teen Near Death, (POSSIBLY) For Supporting Obama

http://www.topix.com/city/bronx-ny/2...pporting-obama


Teacher's Aide "Speaking Out" (video)
http://kdka.com/video?id=48741@kdka.dayport.com



I honestly did not see this stuff coming.

Are there folks out there who saw this and see more of this kind of stuff coming our way?

Or are most of you like me in hoping these are just isolated events?

Let me make a few observations

I attended a gun show with my husband and son last weekend, as we walked by the tables, we heard talk between dealers and customers, and the panic in their voices and conversations about Obama . The right wing conservatives are deathly afraid of the anti-gun stance represented by Obama. Their fear and apparently, their one and only major fear is that they won’t be allowed to buy and sell guns or own assault rifles anymore.

This crowd absolutely disgust me, because they represent some of the worst that is wrong with America. I have absolutely no problem at all with firearms ownership, I believe that ALL citizens should be WELL ARMED at ALL TIMES without government permissions slips, the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed for ANY reason), but because of their incredible misguided stupidity on the issue of gun ownership and the fascism that they have ENDORSED, taking their guns away represents absolutely what SHOULD HAPPEN. It would FINALLY wake them up from their incredible apathy and lethargy and they just MIGHT finally get off their lazy, fat butts and do something about what has turned this country into what is now the laughing stock of the entire world.

Enough said! Night:aaa

Cindy 11-12-2008 05:32 AM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629144)
Property Damage

http://www.truveo.com/Hopeless-4-Hat.../id/1139395164


Upside Down Flag Stolen (2nd link video)

http://www.examiner.com/r-3600551~Lo...ag_Stolen.html

http://kdka.com/video/?id=48785@kdka.dayport.com


Attempted Racial Intimidation

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=3.2.1


Mississippi-- As if anyone would be shocked....

http://www.nbc6.net/education/17958757/detail.html


Beaten In His Home For Expressing His Opinion (video)

http://kdka.com/video/?id=48782@kdka.dayport.com


Yet Another Teen Near Death, (POSSIBLY) For Supporting Obama

http://www.topix.com/city/bronx-ny/2...pporting-obama


Teacher's Aide "Speaking Out" (video)
http://kdka.com/video?id=48741@kdka.dayport.com



I honestly did not see this stuff coming.

Are there folks out there who saw this and see more of this kind of stuff coming our way?

Or are most of you like me in hoping these are just isolated events?

I think they are isolated incidents. There are idiots on all sides of the political perspectives. People make choices, and sometimes they are not the only ones that have to live with the consequences.

MikeinAR 11-12-2008 12:36 PM

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I think this election has raised the nasty racial issues of the past to some degree. I can't say with any certainty how much it is or whether it's widespread or isolated. I just know that here in the south, I've heard the N word used more in the last week than I have in my entire lifetime. People who I didn't think still had that word in their vocabulary have used it discussing Obama being elected.

I've heard it in restaraunts, businesses, and even in a small group of "church" (not my church thank God) people that I was in. I told one man that the N word sickened me and that it had no place in today's society, IMO, and he shut it up after that. I was in Dallas yesterday on a quick business trip, and was surprised at how derogatory people were talking about Obama in the restaraunt yesterday. A lot of it comes from older white people which I guess shouldn't surprise me.

I understand that people have ideological and philosophical differences with him on policy and moral issues. That's a part of the system that makes this country great. What upsets me is when people take it beyond that into blatant racism that has no place in this country and especially among Christians.

ILG 11-12-2008 12:57 PM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 629146)
Let me make a few observations

I attended a gun show with my husband and son last weekend, as we walked by the tables, we heard talk between dealers and customers, and the panic in their voices and conversations about Obama . The right wing conservatives are deathly afraid of the anti-gun stance represented by Obama. Their fear and apparently, their one and only major fear is that they won’t be allowed to buy and sell guns or own assault rifles anymore.

This crowd absolutely disgust me, because they represent some of the worst that is wrong with America. I have absolutely no problem at all with firearms ownership, I believe that ALL citizens should be WELL ARMED at ALL TIMES without government permissions slips, the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed for ANY reason), but because of their incredible misguided stupidity on the issue of gun ownership and the fascism that they have ENDORSED, taking their guns away represents absolutely what SHOULD HAPPEN. It would FINALLY wake them up from their incredible apathy and lethargy and they just MIGHT finally get off their lazy, fat butts and do something about what has turned this country into what is now the laughing stock of the entire world.

Enough said! Night:aaa

Huh? How coud wanting the freedom to bear arms have anything to do with our country being a laughingstock??

Sam 11-12-2008 02:08 PM

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Racism and racial discrimination work more than just one way.

This is a recent email I composed, then waited a while and did not send.

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I live in the City of Forest Park, OH. I've lived here since 1971.
According to our City website we have 19,643 people living in 7,505 households in an area of 6.337 square miles.
I am white or Caucasian and am therefore a minority here.

I have no political signs in my front yard.
I am somewhat fearful of publicly expressing any political opinion because I am a minority here.

Neighbors a few doors up the street have several signs in their front yard. Each is for a Republican candidate.
This family is also white or Caucasian.
Their sign for McCain/Palin has been systematically knocked down and damaged.
My neighbor said it looked like it had been slashed but he has dutifully put it back up.
Now the sign is gone. Someone took it.

They now have a new sign in its place which is shown below.
Is this is a price you pay for living in a community which is about two thirds African American?

Ferd 11-12-2008 02:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 629446)
I think this election has raised the nasty racial issues of the past to some degree. I can't say with any certainty how much it is or whether it's widespread or isolated. I just know that here in the south, I've heard the N word used more in the last week than I have in my entire lifetime. People who I didn't think still had that word in their vocabulary have used it discussing Obama being elected.

I've heard it in restaraunts, businesses, and even in a small group of "church" (not my church thank God) people that I was in. I told one man that the N word sickened me and that it had no place in today's society, IMO, and he shut it up after that. I was in Dallas yesterday on a quick business trip, and was surprised at how derogatory people were talking about Obama in the restaraunt yesterday. A lot of it comes from older white people which I guess shouldn't surprise me.

I understand that people have ideological and philosophical differences with him on policy and moral issues. That's a part of the system that makes this country great. What upsets me is when people take it beyond that into blatant racism that has no place in this country and especially among Christians.


i am shocked and hurt that you were in Dallas yesterday and didnt even let me know! Shame on you!

TRFrance 11-12-2008 02:22 PM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629144)
I honestly did not see this stuff coming.

Are there folks out there who saw this and see more of this kind of stuff coming our way?

Or are most of you like me in hoping these are just isolated events?

I think its a pattern. I think it will cool down a bit after the inauguration, but I still think you'll see knuckleheads acting up for the next 4 years (or 8 years?).

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Secret Service breaking up several assassination plots each year of Obama's presidency.

MikeinAR 11-12-2008 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 629563)
i am shocked and hurt that you were in Dallas yesterday and didnt even let me know! Shame on you!

I checked in the Fairfield Inn off of Midway Ave. at 1 a.m. Tuesday morning and I was out of there by 3:00 yesterday afternoon. I ate a super fast lunch at Luby's, of all places, over in Addison. You didn't miss anything special at all for lunch. Next time I'm down there, dinner is on me.

tstew 11-12-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 629623)
I checked in the Fairfield Inn off of Midway Ave. at 1 a.m. Tuesday morning and I was out of there by 3:00 yesterday afternoon. I ate a super fast lunch at Luby's, of all places, over in Addison. You didn't miss anything special at all for lunch. Next time I'm down there, dinner is on me.

Come to Houston much? :)

MikeinAR 11-12-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 629625)
Come to Houston much? :)

I've been to Houston once in my life Tstew, but if I get down there the same applies buddy.

tstew 11-12-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 629629)
I've been to Houston once in my life Tstew, but if I get down there the same applies buddy.

No, I'll be honorable. If you make the trip all the way down, I'll buy. :)

Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 04:11 PM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 629555)
Racism and racial discrimination work more than just one way.

This is a recent email I composed, then waited a while and did not send.

----------------------
I live in the City of Forest Park, OH. I've lived here since 1971.
According to our City website we have 19,643 people living in 7,505 households in an area of 6.337 square miles.
I am white or Caucasian and am therefore a minority here.

I have no political signs in my front yard.
I am somewhat fearful of publicly expressing any political opinion because I am a minority here.

Neighbors a few doors up the street have several signs in their front yard. Each is for a Republican candidate.
This family is also white or Caucasian.
Their sign for McCain/Palin has been systematically knocked down and damaged.
My neighbor said it looked like it had been slashed but he has dutifully put it back up.
Now the sign is gone. Someone took it.

They now have a new sign in its place which is shown below.
Is this is a price you pay for living in a community which is about two thirds African American?

Thing is Sam, this is happening in communities across the country, not just in predominately Black communities--

Torrance, CA

Torrance Population (2000)
Category Count Percent
Total Population 137,946 100%
Male 67,087 48.6%
Female 70,859 51.4%
Under 18 31,740 23%
18+ 106,206 77%
65+ 19,427 14.1%
Median Age 38.7
Average Family Size 3.1
White 81,605 59.2%
African-American 3,022 2.2%
Asian 39,462 28.6%
American Indian & Alaskan 560 0.4%
Other 6,307 4.6%
Mixed Race 6,509 4.7%
Hispanic (included in categories above) 17,637 12.8%
Median Family Income (1999) $67,098
Population In Poverty 8,815 6.4%


I love you Brother and I am glad you did not send that email.

Sam 11-12-2008 09:17 PM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629705)

...
I love you Brother and I am glad you did not send that email.

I was driving home and I saw the hand lettered sign.
After I got home I walked up there to take a better look.
It's about 4 houses up the street.
I came back and got my camera and walked up to take the picture.
While I was there the guy happened to come out.
I know him from General Electric.
He told about the sign and mentioned some folks around the corner who had two signs in their front yard and how one was damaged. A day or so later on our way to church I noticed that one of those McCain signs had a hole kicked or punched into it.
I came home and was all fired up. I typed up the email but didn't know how to send it to any of the local tv news stations or to the local newspaper. So, I didn't send it out.

A couple days later talking to another guy who lives a couple blocks away he told me his McCain signs (he had two) kept getting knocked over till he moved them closer to his house and had flood lights on them at night.

I don't know what the Black/White mix is in this neighborhood. In the 2000 census it was 56 percent Black and 35 percent White. Since houses usually do not sell to Whites in this neighborhood, I would imagine the percentage of African Americans is higher now than in 2000.

Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 11:20 PM

Re: Isolated Events or Disturbing Trend?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 629913)
I was driving home and I saw the hand lettered sign.
After I got home I walked up there to take a better look.
It's about 4 houses up the street.
I came back and got my camera and walked up to take the picture.
While I was there the guy happened to come out.
I know him from General Electric.
He told about the sign and mentioned some folks around the corner who had two signs in their front yard and how one was damaged. A day or so later on our way to church I noticed that one of those McCain signs had a hole kicked or punched into it.
I came home and was all fired up. I typed up the email but didn't know how to send it to any of the local tv news stations or to the local newspaper. So, I didn't send it out.

A couple days later talking to another guy who lives a couple blocks away he told me his McCain signs (he had two) kept getting knocked over till he moved them closer to his house and had flood lights on them at night.

I don't know what the Black/White mix is in this neighborhood. In the 2000 census it was 56 percent Black and 35 percent White. Since houses usually do not sell to Whites in this neighborhood, I would imagine the percentage of African Americans is higher now than in 2000.


Well I gave you the stats on Torrance, CA-- a city where signs have been stolen and there has been costly vandalism. The town has a high percentage of Caucasians and Asians and only 2.2% "African American".

You already know that ignorance and violence does not know "color".

You were angry when you typed the email. I understand.

I hope you understand that it was not rational to indict your fellow townsmen who are "African American" over the actions of a few numbskulls.

I love you man!

Sam 11-13-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 630011)
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You already know that ignorance and violence does not know "color".

You were angry when you typed the email. I understand.

I hope you understand that it was not rational to indict your fellow townsmen who are "African American" over the actions of a few numbskulls.

I love you man!

You're right. After I wrote the email, I cooled down. Just writing it got some of it out of my system.

tstew 11-13-2008 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 630656)
You're right. After I wrote the email, I cooled down. Just writing it got some of it out of my system.

I understand bro. Raging ignorance is aggravating regardless of race. :)


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