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Nahum 11-12-2008 09:58 AM

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This is what we're up against.

On Sunday morning, amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our President-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful church goers.

They did it with banners, chants, blasphemy, by storming the pulpit, by vandalizing the church facility, by potentially defiling the building with lewd, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers.



This didn't take place in some dystopian, post modern work of fiction and it didn't take place in San Francisco or Berkley. This was the scene at a Bible believing church in Lansing, Michigan.

Read on...

http://dturnbull.newsvine.com/_news/...sunday-worship

rightmichigan.com

In you doubt the vailidity of this story, please click on the following link.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/arti ... /811120369

Nahum 11-12-2008 10:06 AM

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Wow, I cannot believe people are not disturbed by this.

Sherri 11-12-2008 10:13 AM

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Why has this NOT been on the news?:crazy

MissBrattified 11-12-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 629327)
Why has this NOT been on the news?:crazy

You really have to ask? :coffee2

ILG 11-12-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nahum (Post 629319)
This is what we're up against.

Here in my town, three kids died in a fire. Apparently some of them were homosexual. Some church idiots came here and put up signs that said "God hates fags". Homosexuals probably said "This is what we're up against."

TRFrance 11-12-2008 10:44 AM

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In California the Mormons are getting heat from the HomoNazis too.

Same-sex marriage rowdies single out Mormons
Protesters riot at temple, vow further action against Latter-day Saints
Posted: November 08, 2008
12:40 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDailyPolice arrested two people, and photographs from the scene show angry crowds and violent confrontations in front of the Los Angeles Mormon temple yesterday as part of continued protests over the passage of California's Proposition 8 banning same-sex marriage.


As WND reported, since the ballot measure was approved by voters earlier this week, supporters of same-sex marriage have made profane and violent threats against Christians and churches.

FULL STORY:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80406

CHECK OUT THE PICTURES HERE: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...photogallery?1



TRFrance 11-12-2008 10:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nahum (Post 629319)
On Sunday morning, amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our President-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful church goers.

They did it with banners, chants, blasphemy, by storming the pulpit, by vandalizing the church facility, by potentially defiling the building with lewd, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers.

Gay sex acts in the church?.... where there were undoubtedly children present!?

Disgusting beyond words.

If they ever come into a church where I am and start doing that stuff, it would take every ounce of Holy Ghost in me to make me restrain myself from punching some of them of them in the mouth.

That is just beyond disrespectful.

But unfortunately, I'm convinced we can expect to see more and more of this in the future, because it's not just human activity that's behind this. This is straight up demonic opposition coming against the church via these militant HomoNazi activists.

Cindy 11-12-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 629352)
Gay sex acts in the church?.... where there were undoubtedly children present!?

Disgusting beyond words.

If they ever come into a church where I am and start doing that stuff, it would take every ounce of Holy Ghost in me to make me restrain myself from punching some of them of them in the mouth.

That is just beyond disrespectful.

But unfortunately, I'm convinced we can expect to see more and more of this in the future, because it's not just human activity that's behind this. This is straight up demonic opposition coming against the church via these militant HomoNazi activists.

Finally someone said it. I think most Christians have forgotten that satan is devouring souls every day. And the only way to fight it is with the Holy Ghost.

berkeley 11-12-2008 11:37 AM

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What is a Homo Nazi??

Ferd 11-12-2008 12:11 PM

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Liberals are the new McCarthyites.

Scott Hutchinson 11-12-2008 12:20 PM

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There is warring going on agains't the church by demonic spirits,this I believe.

bishoph 11-12-2008 03:23 PM

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Friends, I think this is an occasion where those of us who preach truth need to take a visible stand on this issue. I understand our reluctance to draw fire on our churches and congregations, however, if we stand back and do nothing evil and wick men prevail.

In any state in the US, if a group of "straight" protesters did something like this in a "gay" establishment of any kind, it would be considered a hate crime. I say that we get as much facts as we can about this case, and then begin a letter writing campaign requesting a full investigation and prosecution of those offenders under the same "hate crime" statutes that they have used to target others with.

If we do not take action, IMHO, we may be the next ones to suffer.

TRFrance 11-12-2008 03:32 PM

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Can you imagine if they would have done this in a mosque?

Then again, they'd know better. I think if they did that in a mosque they might not get out alive.

ILG 11-12-2008 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 629343)
Here in my town, three kids died in a fire. Apparently some of them were homosexual. Some church idiots came here and put up signs that said "God hates fags". Homosexuals probably said "This is what we're up against."

P.S. For some reason my eyes missed the lewd, public sex acts and vandalism parts. Horrifying. Freedom of speech is one thing......this other stuff is criminal.

Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nahum (Post 629319)
This is what we're up against.

On Sunday morning, amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our President-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful church goers.

They did it with banners, chants, blasphemy, by storming the pulpit, by vandalizing the church facility, by potentially defiling the building with lewd, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers.



This didn't take place in some dystopian, post modern work of fiction and it didn't take place in San Francisco or Berkley. This was the scene at a Bible believing church in Lansing, Michigan.

Read on...

http://dturnbull.newsvine.com/_news/...sunday-worship

rightmichigan.com

In you doubt the vailidity of this story, please click on the following link.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/arti ... /811120369



Something this vile would have been in the news, if it happened.

In fact, this is so vile, so over the top, I am skeptical.

FOX would have reported on this. What do they have to say about this incident?

tbpew 11-12-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 629649)
Friends, I think this is an occasion where those of us who preach truth need to take a visible stand on this issue. I understand our reluctance to draw fire on our churches and congregations, however, if we stand back and do nothing evil and wick men prevail.

In any state in the US, if a group of "straight" protesters did something like this in a "gay" establishment of any kind, it would be considered a hate crime. I say that we get as much facts as we can about this case, and then begin a letter writing campaign requesting a full investigation and prosecution of those offenders under the same "hate crime" statutes that they have used to target others with.

If we do not take action, IMHO, we may be the next ones to suffer.

If the facts of this case are able to be substantiated, this circumstance is the kind of thing where what was intended for evil...produces good.

This has the basic ingredients to get crime against a Christian church into the category of a HATE crime. If a legal advocacy group persued this with that intended goal, we should all consider what amount of money we would contribute to the legal process costs.

These precedent-setting matters need a tangible flash point among the vast majority of apathetic middle ground folks...maybe this has all the necessary ingredients.

Nahum 11-12-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629661)
Something this vile would have been in the news, if it happened.

In fact, this is so vile, so over the top, I am skeptical.

FOX would have reported on this. What do they have to say about this incident?

It is on the Drudge Report.

It DID happen.

Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nahum (Post 629669)
It is on the Drudge Report.

It DID happen.


So it should be on FOX tomorrow, or sooner.

I realize, just like you realize how INSANE this is. OFFENSIVE is not even the word.


Something this bad really needs to be verified (imo) before I pass it on as truth to others.

Something this bad IS a call to action!!! (if it can be substantiated as reported).

Is the ACLJ involved yet?

The ACLU (though liberal) would work on behalf of the church too, in this kind of case!

TRFrance 11-12-2008 04:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629661)
Something this vile would have been in the news, if it happened.

In fact, this is so vile, so over the top, I am skeptical.

FOX would have reported on this. What do they have to say about this incident?

Brother, what is this thing with you about: "if it was true, FOX would have reported on it"?

It's in the local newspaper. Isnt that enough?

There's a lot of stuff that Fox, CNN, and other major media outlets don't carry.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...WS01/811120369

If you want to see other media outlets reporting on this story, Google News is a good tool for that.

http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Mount%20Hope%20Church&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-USofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn

.

tstew 11-12-2008 04:32 PM

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I fear that they may not have been able to get out of our church alive...I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 629701)
Brother, what is this thing with you about: "if it was true, FOX would have reported on it"?

It's in the local newspaper. Isnt that enough?


potentially defiling the building with lewd, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers.

This is what was most appalling and quite unbelievable. I wanted verification of the whole story because this part of the story is insane!

The Lansing Journal report does not mention the above.
When I tried to click on the Lansing link before, it didn't work.
The Lansing Journal's report was still very bad, still warrants action.

tstew 11-12-2008 04:33 PM

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I didn't read anything about the sex acts though. Is that verified as true?

Jermyn Davidson 11-12-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 629725)
I didn't read anything about the sex acts though. Is that verified as true?


No, for now.

Honestly, that is just so.......... there is no word for that level of wickedness!

Praxeas 11-12-2008 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 629343)
Here in my town, three kids died in a fire. Apparently some of them were homosexual. Some church idiots came here and put up signs that said "God hates fags". Homosexuals probably said "This is what we're up against."

They target Fred Phelps and not churches that don't have anything to do with it

Nahum 11-12-2008 07:30 PM

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http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/

soldoutochrist 11-12-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 629739)
No, for now.

Honestly, that is just so.......... there is no word for that level of wickedness!

Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony. "Jesus was gay," they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss.

http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2008/11/10/13335/904

The only source I could find that alluded to lewd acts.

Praxeas 11-12-2008 07:49 PM

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If true they should be charged with hate crimes and possible terrorist activities

Evang.Benincasa 11-12-2008 09:20 PM

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I have been giving Bible studies in a Barnes & Nobles in Fort Lauderdale Florida every Monday and Wednesday from 9AM to 11PM, for about three years now.

Homosexuals and lesbians all around while I'm teaching it. I have not had a problem, with any militants. They have asked questions and I have given them answers. I have debated homosexual atheists during the Bible study and have had no problems. If any type of militant homosexual activity is going to happen to a Christian group, well, they have a golden opportunity with my Bible studies and me, right in the middle of them. Tonight the place was jam packed with homosexuals, lesbians, Goths, a few transvestites, and other assorted individuals. Had a nice discussion with a few individuals, on Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel C Dennett. Went pretty smooth and the individuals said they would be back for more discussion. No, problems down here in Fort La Dee Dah.

Sam 11-12-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 629649)
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In any state in the US, if a group of "straight" protesters did something like this in a "gay" establishment of any kind, it would be considered a hate crime.
....

Isn't the whole "hate crime" idea kind of silly?

Is it more wrong to kill a GLBT or African American or a woman than it is to kill a normal person or a white person or a man?

Isn't the whole "hate crime" thing kinda lopsided?

Sherri 11-12-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 629918)
I have been giving Bible studies in a Barnes & Nobles in Fort Lauderdale Florida every Monday and Wednesday from 9AM to 11PM, for about three years now.

Homosexuals and lesbians all around while I'm teaching it. I have not had a problem, with any militants. They have asked questions and I have given them answers. I have debated homosexual atheists during the Bible study and have had no problems. If any type of militant homosexual activity is going to happen to a Christian group, well, they have a golden opportunity with my Bible studies and me, right in the middle of them. Tonight the place was jam packed with homosexuals, lesbians, Goths, a few transvestites, and other assorted individuals. Had a nice discussion with a few individuals, on Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel C Dennett. Went pretty smooth and the individuals said they would be back for more discussion. No, problems down here in Fort La Dee Dah.

A fourteen hour Bible study? I'm impressed!:tease

Evang.Benincasa 11-12-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 629946)
Isn't the whole "hate crime" idea kind of silly?

Is it more wrong to kill a GLBT or African American or a woman than it is to kill a normal person or a white person or a man?

Isn't the whole "hate crime" thing kinda lopsided?

Ellis, I suggest you quit while your ahead. ;)

Evang.Benincasa 11-12-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 629948)
A fourteen hour Bible study? I'm impressed!:tease

I'm tired.

Sherri 11-12-2008 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 629951)
I'm tired.

Seriously, EB, I AM impressed that you do this Bible Study. Lots of Pentecostals seems to want to stay in their own little insulated world. It's easier that way. Eddie taught about this tonight - about getting out there where the sinners are and yet remaining pure. I'm glad to see you put that in practice.

Evang.Benincasa 11-12-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 629953)
Seriously, EB, I AM impressed that you do this Bible Study. Lots of Pentecostals seems to want to stay in their own little insulated world. It's easier that way. Eddie taught about this tonight - about getting out there where the sinners are and yet remaining pure. I'm glad to see you put that in practice.

Thank you Sister. I start early in the morning and make my rounds and do it with consistency. It's all about being consistent. We also do Bible study in front of the Whole Foods Market at the tables located in front of the store. Discussions are more lively there. I put this also into practice when I preach around the country. If we could get more Brothers and Sisters to commit to teaching Bible studies in Barnes & Nobles, Borders, Starbucks, and Whole Foods Markets, we will see stronger saints who are happy to mingle with the people and show the light.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Praxeas 11-12-2008 11:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 629946)
Isn't the whole "hate crime" idea kind of silly?

Is it more wrong to kill a GLBT or African American or a woman than it is to kill a normal person or a white person or a man?

Isn't the whole "hate crime" thing kinda lopsided?

I think so. All murder is done from hate of some sort of another.

StMark 11-12-2008 11:20 PM

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This story first came out on worldnetdaily - most of you discredit anything that comes out on WND so I'm surprised that most of you have not discounted this story altogether.

Anyhow, I'm really shocked that this took place in Lansing ,MI. a blue collar, family oriented town.

George 11-12-2008 11:38 PM

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This makes me sick to my stomach!!!

Jermyn Davidson 11-13-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 629946)
Isn't the whole "hate crime" idea kind of silly?

Is it more wrong to kill a GLBT or African American or a woman than it is to kill a normal person or a white person or a man?

Isn't the whole "hate crime" thing kinda lopsided?

The "Hate Crime" idea addresses the motivation behind the act.


"Premeditated Murder" carries a harsher penalty than "Manslaughter"-- both have the same unfortunate result.

The same argument holds true for "Hate Crimes".

Praxeas 11-13-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 630391)
The "Hate Crime" idea addresses the motivation behind the act.


"Premeditated Murder" carries a harsher penalty than "Manslaughter"-- both have the same unfortunate result.

The same argument holds true for "Hate Crimes".

I realized that already, but I don't agree with it. If it were for the purpose of curtailing these sort of acts that is one thing, but they don't. Laws against criminal acts don't really curtail criminal acts.

This 'was' in my opinion more of the government saying "we feel your pain" than anything. It is the same mindset behind legalizing gay marriages. It's to get the government to do something as offical recognition that really does nothing at all. Gays can already be married in civil unions and religious ceremonies. They want the GOVERNMENT to officially recognize them.

If any criminal truly had LOVE they would not commit crimes that hurt others. Thus all murders are hate crimes.

If someone kills your kid for their sneakers the government says "he is not as important as the "special group" that got killed for being that special group.

I mean that is pretty dumb...let's punish this guy more because we believe when he acted he did it with hate....duh! If a white person kills another white person because he hated that white person it's not a HATE crime according to the definition of the word. It's ONLY a hate crime if a white person kills a black person because he hates black (just one example)...that is again the government being forced to redefine something...in this case HATE.

This is the same mentality that spawns HATEFUL rhetoric by the marxist left leaning bigots that if YOU want to curtail illegal immigration into this nation it is because you are a racist hatemonger.

Jermyn Davidson 11-13-2008 03:23 PM

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[QUOTE=Praxeas;630434]
If someone kills your kid for their sneakers the government says "he is not as important as the "special group" that got killed for being that special group.

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I don't think that "Hate Crime" designations minimizes the victims of crimes were not motivated simply by hate.

There are people who are murdered, many folks, whose death is NOT the result of hate.

Drug dealers killing an innocent bystander-- not a hate crime.

Drunk driver killing a preganant mother-- murderer of two folks in some states, but not a hate crime.


If you kill someone becuase of your own hateful feelings towards that person, then it is a hate crime.

For example, the murderers of James Byrd down in Texas should have received the death penalty, imo, for the heinous and torturing death of that man-- motivated by their hate for Blacks.

It's pretty cut and dry to me.

Murder-- the act and the reasoning are defined and tried as separate crimes, rightfully so.


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