Is Allah God?....Dragons?
 

Is Allah a general term which means "God" and can refer to the christian God? Or is Allah the God of muslims and Islam only?

What does the bible refer to when it mentions "dragon"? Is our modern concept of dragon the same one referred to in the bible. "Dragon" appears at least 18 times in the bible. "Dragons", plural, appears 16 times.

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Allah is a very general term used for an ancient moon god in Arab paganism. Apparently, according to Muslims, Allah revealed to Muhammed (PBUH) that he alone is the only true God who revealed himself to Abraham and through Moses, the prophets, and Jesus. Interestingly enough Yeweh of the OT is indeed a lunar deity, this is why the Jewish calendar is on a lunar cycle.

I've heard different theories on "dragons" ranging from them being "spirits", dinosaurs, alligators, or actual mystical creatures.

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There are three different words used for dragon/dragons.

One means a sea monster, a vast fish, a serpent, a dragon, a crocodile and is from the first definition given in the root that means to extend. There's a note in the root that says "Vast fish, so called from the length of which it extends."

The second word means jackal, wild dog. This is from the same root, the second definition given, which is "contention in running, as being done with outstretched neck, hence jackal, so called from it's swiftness in running.

The third, means habitations. It's from the same root as the other two though, and there's a note in here saying that some take it as jackals.

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Remember that when the KJV was translated, it picked up the current culture.

Things like "dragons" and demon "possession" reflect the culture of the time as does the expression "God save the king" used in the KJV when a person was elevated to the office of king.

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"allah" is a false god whose followers attempt to make our Savior a liar.

The followers of this religion are doomed for eternity unless they repent and honor the TRUE WORD of GOD with their lives, from their hearts.

Jesus IS, "the Christ, the Son of the Living GOD!"

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I attended an Islamic service at the Islamic Center of Dayton when I was younger. I participated in a cleansing ceremony before entering the Mosque and had a great time. They were very warm and friendly. I was searching for answers. They gave me a Koran with commentary. It is in both Arabic and English, it also has notes like a Schofield Study Bible but for Muslims. It's actually quite beautiful.

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Would a christian bible in Arabic use the term Allah for God?

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So what is the correct interpretation or the intended meaning of the word dragon in the bible? Are you saying that modern day demon possession is different from the 1600's or even NT times?

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Yes

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How do we know this?

When I asked Muslims in Afghanistan about this, I could not get a straight answer, although, I think there were communication issues involved and not deception. :)

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TBN in arabic uses the word "allah"

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Thanks for the information man!

However, islam is still a false religion, honoring a false god, that will lead them to real destruction.

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I don't know what the authors meant when they referred to a dragon in their writings which became our Scriptures. In the 1600's when the KJV was being developed, the thinking of the time showed up in the way they interpreted the Greek and Hebrew words into English. If, at that time, they believed in the fire-belching reptiles as dragons, that was the word they used. I think someone else has addressed terms like behomoth and dragon.

As far as demon possession, the word used in the New Testament is daimonizomai which means to be influenced by, vexed by, controlled by a demon (evil spirit). There was a lot of superstition back then about demons/devils coming in when a person yawned or sneezed and gaining possession of him. Have you ever heard someone say, "I wonder what possessed me to do that?" The idea was that an evil spirit or demon or devil could easily access folks and "possess" them. Some of us have even built up a whole teaching on demon depression, obsession, possession and other rhyming words to trace the progression of demonic influence and temptation on through complete "possession." In my opinion, a better translation would have been "demonized" and it could represent a larger scale of demonic activity on a person. If we are children of God, bought by the blood of Jesus, we are His possession and cannot be demon "possessed" but, we can be demonized (influenced by, tempted by, even at times controlled by) demons.

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They have a misconception of God, like the Jews.

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The Jews have a misconception of God?

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Sure... they believe in "one" but they rejected Him when He came.... :snapout

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Not all did...Actually, if you can do math at all and read your book of Acts, *most* accepted Him as the Messiah.

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No. Most at Pentecost... not most in Israel!!!

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How many Jews do you think were in Israel at that time?

3000 on the day of Pentecost, and then 5000 in Acts chapter 4. And at the end of Acts 2, it says that the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Those were *all* Jews. Until Acts chapter 10, the Gentiles were not included in those numbers at all.

The population of Jerusalem was around 60,000 before the 70 AD destruction of the city. (30,000 according to another source, with the population swelling to around 80,000 or more during festivals....that source seems a bit flaky though).

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I hate a woman who can think... :tease

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From what I'm looking at right now....during the Feast of Firstfruits, *all* Jewish men would have been in Jerusalem. So if it was most at Pentecost....

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Thank you...I think. :bigbaby















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Muslims are not even in the same ballpark as the Jews, in that regard. The Jews and us Christians worship the same God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Muslims do not.

The Muslim religion was begun by a deceiving spirit that pretended to be the Gabriel of the Bible, supposedly speaking on behalf of the God of Abraham. This spirit gave Mohammed multiple revelations that blatantly contradict he Bible and the New Testament gospel. Islam teaches a path to the knowledge of God which, if true, makes the Gospel a total lie.

Two of the many Koranic contradictions of the Bible:

1... The Korah states rather clearly, "Proclaim: Allah is One. Allah is Eternal. He neither begets nor was begotten." (Surah 112:1-4). In Christianity, we believe that Jesus was begotten. (John 1:14, John 3:16)

2...The Korah regards Jesus as a prophet, but asserts that he was not crucified. "But they killed him [Christ] not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them. They killed him not."(Surah 4:157 ). But as Christians we know that the crucifixion of Jesus is an integral part of God's salvation plan for mankind.

Paul already warned of those who bring another gospel... if even an angel (Gabriel?) were to bring such a gospel, let him be accursed (Gal 1:8).

Islam is a demonic religion serving a demon god, an impostor.

Most accepted him? What verse of scripture says that? I don't remember seeing that.

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What verse says most didn't?

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You're serious?

I didn't make the assertion that most of the Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah.
You made the assertion.
So I assumed you had some scripture for it.

If your assertion wasn't based on scripture, what was it based on?

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It's based on information gleaned from several students and teachers of Middle Eastern History.

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All right, I can't think of any verse that tells us which proportion of Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah and which proportion did not.

In John 1:11 it says that He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
I take that to mean that on the whole, His own people (Jews) did not receive Him. This seems to say to me that the majority did not receive Him.

When Jesus wept over Jerusalem and said they would not see Him again until they said Baruch Ha Ba B'shem Adonai (Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord) I take that to mean that Israel as a group (not all individuals but most) rejected Him and will not accept Him until some time in the future.

Blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles is come in. The branches which were natural Israel have been cut off and spiritual Israel has been grafted in. But some time in the future there will be a turning to YHWH/Yeshua and Israel will be grafted back in. That's the way I understand the 144,000 in Revelation and the few couple chapters of Ezekiel and Zechariah in the Old Testament. Also, the parables of the groups invited to the wedding (Matthew 22:1-14); the two sons (Matthew 21:28-3) and the vineyard (Matthe 2:33-21).

I realize not all of us see some of these things the same way.

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Could John 1:11 just be talking about the Jews' history of turning from God? If the passage is taken in order, that part comes before the Word was made flesh.

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C'mon now....

Would the Jews have knowingly killed their Messiah? NO WAY!

They did not accept Him as Messiah, by and large.

Peter addressed this in the 2nd chapter of Acts.

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Right...and it says that 3000 Jews accepted Him that day.