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deacon blues 11-13-2008 07:37 AM

Will Obama Support Public Education or Go Private?
 
Is Obama willing to put his school-aged daughters where his political promises have been? Will Obama send his girls to private school while he continues to oppose programs that offer a similar choice to less fortunate parents?

Vouchers as an alternative to public schools is favored by black parents by larger majorities than white parents do. Black students face a disproportionately number of under-performing schools.

Teachers unions lead the opposition against vouchers. A 2004 Thomas B. Fordham Institute report found big-city public school teachers to more likely to have their own children in private schools.

Michele Obama toured the private Georgetown Day School this week. The Obama's daughters already attend a private school in Chicago. My guess is they'll go private while denying less fortunate Americans the right to choose the school that woud best suit their child.

School Chancellor Michelle Rhee of Washington DC a single mom of two has her daughters enrolled in the troubled DC school system. She has closed 23 schools, restructered 27, fired more than 250 teachers and dumped about 1/3 of the system's principals.

She recently asked a critical question to a principal who was defending a teacher: "Would you put your grandchild in that class?" The principal replied "If that's the standard, we don't have any effective teachers in my school." Rhee's response: "That is the standard."

Public schools belong to all of us, whether we use them or not. We should treat the students as though they belong to all of us, too. And that includes the president-elect.

(The above is a reworking of an editorial by Clarence Page of The Chicago Tribune, November 13,, 2008)

Cindy 11-13-2008 08:14 AM

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I would not want my grandchild in public school in D. C. In fact I wish none of my grandchildren had to go to public school, anywhere. One of my DIL's is homeschooling. On the other hand, I want them to be prepared for the world they will have to live in.

I think it would be a nightmare for his kids to go to public school.

A_PoMo 11-13-2008 08:26 AM

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I don't want my kids in public school if I can help it. They're safer in private schools.

deacon blues 11-13-2008 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 630086)
I would not want my grandchild in public school in D. C. In fact I wish none of my grandchildren had to go to public school, anywhere. One of my DIL's is homeschooling. On the other hand, I want them to be prepared for the world they will have to live in.

I think it would be a nightmare for his kids to go to public school.

Which is a strong argument for vouchers. A voucher simply gives you as a parent the ability to chose where the federal money per child goes versus the government telling you where it goes. People naturally will choose to send their children (and the federal money) to the best schools. The schools underperforming will be pressured to strive for excellence or lose a lot of federal money. It will naturally raise the level of our educaton system exponentially.

The Dems that don't support you having the freedom to make that choice are also making sure their kids are getting the best education available. That usually means private school. They don't want to send their kids to the very public schools they dictate that you must.

Teachers unions and the politicians that receive millions in campaign contributions from them are to blame.

A_PoMo 11-13-2008 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 630108)
Which is a strong argument for vouchers. A voucher simply gives you as a parent the ability to chose where the federal money per child goes versus the government telling you where it goes. People naturally will choose to send their children (and the federal money) to the best schools. The schools underperforming will be pressured to strive for excellence or lose a lot of federal money. It will naturally raise the level of our educaton system exponentially.

The Dems that don't support you having the freedom to make that choice are also making sure their kids are getting the best education available. That usually means private school. They don't want to send their kids to the very public schools they dictate that you must.

Teachers unions and the politicians that receive millions in campaign contributions from them are to blame.

I agree w/most of what you're saying here except that we aren't required to send our kids to public school. It's just the free alternative to home schooling and private schools. Every child is required to go to school, but not public school. There is choice, and like you, I'm pro-choice. :)

Pressing-On 11-13-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 630237)
I agree w/most of what you're saying here except that we aren't required to send our kids to public school. It's just the free alternative to home schooling and private schools. Every child is required to go to school, but not public school. There is choice, and like you, I'm pro-choice. :)

But Obama stated openly that he is AGAINST vouchers and wants teachers to be certified. That means he is wanting to lock down school choice. I believe that was discussed on the last debate with Obama and McCain.

We had a big issue in the homeschool industry, a few years ago, on the certification issue. The White House phones were bogged down and the measure did not pass. It is not necessary to be certified to teach.

We need freedom of choice and I don't see Obama in support of that.

PraiseHymn 11-13-2008 12:07 PM

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He will put them in private school.

Ferd 11-13-2008 12:40 PM

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Obama understands the primary rule of liberalism.

That is there are two classes of people. The ruling class and those they rule.

The ruling class lives by a seperate set of rules. They need good private schools to teach their kids to be leaders. They need to keep everyone else in public schools to keep the masses quiet.

Obama will play by the rules.

Cindy 11-13-2008 12:46 PM

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I am for the President, VP, Congressmen/women, Senators, etc. sending their children/grandchildren to public schools. Since they seem to think it's good enough for ours, they should think it's good enough for theirs.

Cindy 11-13-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PraiseHymn (Post 630270)
He will put them in private school.

Yes, he really doesn't have a choice. I wonder if they were in private school in Chicago.

Cindy 11-13-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 630092)
I don't want my kids in public school if I can help it. They're safer in private schools.

Yep.

A_PoMo 11-13-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 630253)
But Obama stated openly that he is AGAINST vouchers and wants teachers to be certified. That means he is wanting to lock down school choice. I believe that was discussed on the last debate with Obama and McCain.

We had a big issue in the homeschool industry, a few years ago, on the certification issue. The White House phones were bogged down and the measure did not pass. It is not necessary to be certified to teach.

We need freedom of choice and I don't see Obama in support of that.

Private schools are going to be banned by Obama?

RunningOnFaith 11-13-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 630299)
Obama understands the primary rule of liberalism.

That is there are two classes of people. The ruling class and those they rule.

The ruling class lives by a seperate set of rules. They need good private schools to teach their kids to be leaders. They need to keep everyone else in public schools to keep the masses quiet.

Obama will play by the rules.


Jimmy Carter sent Amy to a public school...............

Jermyn Davidson 11-13-2008 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PraiseHymn (Post 630270)
He will put them in private school.

I agree with you.

There are GRAVE security concerns for the Obama family-- much more grave than what President Carter would have faced.

It really would be unfathomable for President Obama to leave his children at the mercy of the Washington, DC Public School System.


If something tragic was to occur, how would he hold the DCPS responsible?

Imagine the mess!!!!

Cindy 11-13-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 630472)
I agree with you.

There are GRAVE security concerns for the Obama family-- much more grave than what President Carter would have faced.

It really would be unfathomable for President Obama to leave his children at the mercy of the Washington, DC Public School System.


If something tragic was to occur, how would he hold the DCPS responsible?

Imagine the mess!!!!

The same way any other parent would. Tragedy happens, even to President's families.

HappyTown 11-13-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 630064)
Is Obama willing to put his school-aged daughters where his political promises have been? Will Obama send his girls to private school while he continues to oppose programs that offer a similar choice to less fortunate parents?

First off his daughters should be in a private school for their own safety!

joyful 11-13-2008 06:32 PM

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I agree that there is no way that President-elect Obama's girls will end up in a DC Public School. I don't think that it would be wise or safe for them and I totally understand why they would choose a private school. However, it does reek of hypocrisy to then deny that same choice to the "less fortunate" in the form of vouchers. I am a strong advocate of school choice!

Pressing-On 11-13-2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 630376)
Private schools are going to be banned by Obama?

I was speaking particularly that he is against vouchers. That means that you have no free school choice. You are stick in a bad district with no way out, unless you move from your residence. McCain was for vouchers.

That wouldn't have anything to do with banning private schools. Sorry if I didn't articulate that properly in my earlier post.

deacon blues 11-15-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 630299)
Obama understands the primary rule of liberalism.

That is there are two classes of people. The ruling class and those they rule.

The ruling class lives by a seperate set of rules. They need good private schools to teach their kids to be leaders. They need to keep everyone else in public schools to keep the masses quiet.

Obama will play by the rules.

Man that is one DEAD ON observation. Thanks for a great post and for helping to load my arsenal with a great line of debate!

nahkoe 11-15-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 630237)
I agree w/most of what you're saying here except that we aren't required to send our kids to public school. It's just the free alternative to home schooling and private schools. Every child is required to go to school, but not public school. There is choice, and like you, I'm pro-choice. :)

I am too.

But I'm also in a position where I have made the choice to put my kids in public school. I'm a single mom, not receiving *any* child support. I tried homeschooling while attending school and working myself. Major fail.

So, I'm a homeschooling parent at heart who's children attend public school because there is no other adequate option.

In the future, I may very well be a homeschooling public school teacher. lol Or a public school teacher who's children attend private school. But we'll see when I finally get my degree where I end up teaching.

deacon blues 11-15-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 630304)
I am for the President, VP, Congressmen/women, Senators, etc. sending their children/grandchildren to public schools. Since they seem to think it's good enough for ours, they should think it's good enough for theirs.

You know, someone cited the safety of the children at public school. Do you they think they go to private school without bodyguards? Three or four Secret Service agents sitting in class with Obama's girls would provide plenty of safety along with a security detail located at the school. Shoot, it would probably elevate the quality of education for the kids in that school and all would benefit.

Jermyn Davidson 11-16-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 631893)
You know, someone cited the safety of the children at public school. Do you they think they go to private school without bodyguards? Three or four Secret Service agents sitting in class with Obama's girls would provide plenty of safety along with a security detail located at the school. Shoot, it would probably elevate the quality of education for the kids in that school and all would benefit.

I understand your point.

If I was a parent, I'd do all I could to provide the best I can for my family.

With that in mind, what would you do in his case?

"Sidwell Friends" here we come!

Cindy 11-16-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 631893)
You know, someone cited the safety of the children at public school. Do you they think they go to private school without bodyguards? Three or four Secret Service agents sitting in class with Obama's girls would provide plenty of safety along with a security detail located at the school. Shoot, it would probably elevate the quality of education for the kids in that school and all would benefit.

I agree, but logically I know there are more things to think about than security.

bkstokes 11-16-2008 07:32 PM

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If Obama is trying to get health care for everyone, something that I think this country needs. He will of course continue to support public education.

deacon blues 11-16-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 632443)
I understand your point.

If I was a parent, I'd do all I could to provide the best I can for my family.

With that in mind, what would you do in his case?

"Sidwell Friends" here we come!

Well of course. All the more reason to grant choice to everyone else. But it wont happen. The teachers unions have the Dems by the proverbial family jewels, and he will not be able to betray the loyalty they demand. There's a lot of campaign money at stake here.

Light 11-17-2008 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 630299)
Obama understands the primary rule of liberalism.

That is there are two classes of people. The ruling class and those they rule.

The ruling class lives by a seperate set of rules. They need good private schools to teach their kids to be leaders. They need to keep everyone else in public schools to keep the masses quiet.

Obama will play by the rules.

Typical right wing rederick.

Any one that will put their politics aside and use reason would know this is not about where they go to school, it's about security.

Pressing-On 11-17-2008 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 632637)
Typical right wing rederick.

Any one that will put their politics aside and use reason would know this is not about where they go to school, it's about security.

It runs a little deeper than security, IMO, considering the lip service being paid to the public school system. You don't hear the liberals talk about issuing school vouchers. Obama is against them.

His children get school choice, but not the normal American citizen! The school system keeps turning out kids graduating who lack self-discipline and not having the basic knowledge of math and reading skills.

Yet, you can bank your bottom dollar that their kids won't be enrolled in the Washington D.C school system.

Obama's stance against school vouchers is a clear indication that he intends to do nothing about the failures in our public school system, but he will take care of his children, sure!

On top of that the demographics show an increase in the Spanish population in this country. Unless they rise up in the job sector, which takes them years, they will vote Democratic. That clearly indicates to me a Socialist agenda at best - keep them poor and stupid and you have a party!

Light 11-17-2008 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 632639)
It runs a little deeper than security, IMO, considering the lip service being paid to the public school system. You don't hear the liberals talk about issuing school vouchers. Obama is against them.

His children get school choice, but not the normal American citizen! The school system keeps turning out kids graduating who lack self-discipline and not having the basic knowledge of math and reading skills.

Yet, you can bank your bottom dollar that their kids won't be enrolled in the Washington D.C school system.

Obama's stance against school vouchers is a clear indication that he intends to do nothing about the failures in our public school system, but he will take care of his children, sure!

On top of that the demographics show an increase in the Spanish population in this country. Unless they rise up in the job sector, which takes them years, they will vote Democratic. That clearly indicates to me a Socialist agenda at best - keep them poor and stupid and you have a party!

You are blaiming Obama so is it fair to look at Bush? He talkes a good game. He had controle for years of all three branches of goverment and still no vouchers, just children left behind.

Pressing-On 11-17-2008 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 632644)
You are blaiming Obama so is it fair to look at Bush? He talkes a good game. He had controle for years of all three branches of goverment and still no vouchers, just children left behind.

I agree that the No Child Left Behind was a good concept, but it didn't do what it was supposed to do.

However, you have overlooked that Bush pushed for Congress to authorize "Pell Grants for Kids" during his 7th annual State of the Union Address earlier this year. The program would have allowed students in the lower performing schools to transfer to faith-based and other non-public schools.

McCain was for vouchers, which I happen to think is necessary for competition among schools and Obama spoke against them. You can view that on the last debate they had together. I believe it was on the last debate.

Cindy 11-17-2008 08:02 AM

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Lets be serious here on this subject. If you think there is no class system in America you're nuts. People that can afford it, the wealthy, famous, politicians, etc. send their kids to private school. The rest of us have the alternative of home school or public education. Did Obama's children go to public school or private school in Chicago?

Balanced 11-17-2008 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 632480)
If Obama is trying to get health care for everyone, something that I think this country needs. He will of course continue to support public education.

Look at the state of the public schools system in America.

Is that the way we want our health care system to look?

Scary.:feral


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