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Unless a miracle takes place, BO will be able to nominate probably at least 2 Supreme Court Justices during his presidency. This will insure that Roe v. Wade will remain protected by law for generations. If young enough the liberal justices he nominates will be able to serve 20-30 years. John Paul Stevens, a very liberal justice and the oldest will retire soon I am sure. Ruth Bader Ginsburg another liberal is the next eldest and may also retire during BO's presidency.

It's a sad day for abortion foes. How so many Americans and Christians can cloe their eyes to the 70 million babies slaughtered over the past 26 years is perplexing. Its so engrained into our culture we act as though it is no big deal.

We had a chance to finally get a conservative majority and we lost it with the election of BO. My only hope is he nominates someone he thinks is liberal and pro abortion only to find out they are not. It has happened to several GOP presidents only vice versa.

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If I believed that changing the law would change anything in regard to abortion, it'd bother me more. Since I don't think it will, it really doesn't bother me. The law is the wrong side of this stack to start digging on.

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Changing the law, if nothing else, removes the blessings of our contry from the destruction of millions of innocent children.

Outlawing murder doesn't stop murder either, but can you imagine if we tossed laws against murder because people will murder anyway?

It changes a lot. For instance no one would be taking children from a public school where they can't be given an asprine but can be given an abortion without the parents consent.

If it were left up to the states, which is all the SC can do at this point, some states would outlaw it others would celebrate it. Abortion isn't going away but making it difficult to get, reducing the number of people willing to go to jail for performing them, and allowing states to make their own laws would go a long way.

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Unfortunately, I think the legality of abortion in the U.S. has passed the point of no return. As they say, "you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube".

This is over. Abortion has gotten so entrenched into the fabric of American society that I can't see it ever being outlawed again.

Abortion will remain legal until Jesus comes.

But as for these abortion doctors, I'd hate to be in their shoes on Judgment Day. Their judgment might seem to be slow in coming, but it's coming.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, I wonder how the so called christians who voted for him can explain this. Especially the black churches who went crazy for him

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I am confused as to where this comes from. We recognize that despite all the talk, the GOP has been appointing Justices that upheld Roe v. Wade. I've heard every justification in the book for this. We then get a candidate who is more liberal than the average GOP candidate. When directly asked about Roe v. Wade, he says in plain English that he does not feel compelled to appoint Justices who would overturn it. He said that it would not be a factor....yet we still somehow cling to this notion that if we keep voting Republican, it will magically change.
I heard a Republican governor say something yesterday that I've been saying for a while. He said the problem is that the GOP talks one way and governs another. The only way that is ever going to change is when people take the blinders off and hold them accountable for what they actually do and not what we desperately hope and pray they do.

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TS, I'm just confused about this as well. The black community has been voting Dem since I've been alive.

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Stew I know voting for a Repulican doesn't guarantee an overturning of R v. W, but the chances of Obama nominating Clarence Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Scalia type justices is nearly guaranteed not to happen. The SC has not been able to overturn R v. W b/c some of the justices appointed by GOP Presidents have proven to be less conservative than originally thought. ALL of the recent Democrat appointees are solidly in favor of abortion.

If I can get 70 percent chance of a conservative justice who will help overturn R v W I'll take it over a ZERO chance.

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This should not be a real shocker!!!It was never going to go away in the first place! It's big money, big business and yes they (Government) really wants us dead, the fewer the better!


Kinda like war!!! But wait! It's ok to kill once outside the womb???

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Because some Christians got it! The abortions issues not going away, many realize it was low on McCain fix it list! Second, McCain just didn't get it, people didn't want another eight years of same ole, same ole, It's not working folks! People want changes, and a trigger happy old man still caught up in a war in his own mind, wasn't what the people wanted!

Last GWB made it where no one wants another so called McCain/ SP headcase Christians voted into office running the world! So we as Christians better face the facts!

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TS... To me, a lot of it comes down to this: The GOP has a serious race problem. For a variety of reasons, many if not most African Americans see the GOP as either outright racist or insensitive to many of the issues that the black community cares about.

Thus the Republican party has lost the black vote, at least for the foreseeable future, and probably forever. And they're losing the Hispanic vote too. And as the the percentage of whites in the US population continues to decrease over time, the GOP will find it harder to win national elections as minority groups grow in number and thus voter clout at the polls.

People may debate the accuracy of the existing stereotype, but it is what it is... The stereotype that is firmly established in many minds is that the Democrats care about the issues that concern racial minorities, and women, and the Republicans are mostly a white men's party.

I've heard person simply put it this way: "The Republicans care so much about the unborn, but they dont care as much about those who are already born, especially if you're not rich and/or white".

With this being a widespread perception out there, the GOP needs to either change it's badly damaged image, or it will become less and less relevant in future national elections. Bottom line is, even many blacks and other minorities who are personally anti-abortion will still vote Democrat consistently because there are other [social] issues to them that are more prominent in their minds than abortion.

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The black community is one thing. Black Christians ought to know better.

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Some Christians can dilute their consciences if they want by saying "abortion won't go away" but the fact remains that legalized abortion has done nothing but increase the slaughter of babies by the tens of millions.

4,000 plus troops have died in 6 years, tens of thousands of enemy troops and combatants as well as civilians. War is terrible. The deaths are a sad fact. I do not rejoice in it. I do know that the logic behind the war, although arguable, at least for some has justification. We were attacked, we are defending ourselves from future attacks.

But the numbers of murdered babies every year numbers in the millions and some Americans and Chrisitans choose to use illogic to defend their vote for the party that has continuously fought to keep the murder of babies legal. And do you know why its easy to simply say "people will kill babies anyway"?

We are desensitized. If we saw video footage of the images and pictures of what these poor defenseless children looked like and what they went through during and after the abortion every night on the evening news, Americans would hange their opinion. If the Dems would join the GOP in an effort to partner unwanted children with adoptive parents and make the process easy, things could change. If we had Hollywood directors making movies right before elections about children in the womb and their viability, or about those who have survived abortion insead of anti war films or anti W films, public sentiment would change.

But instead we ignore the slaughter of millions because they cant fight back, they cant speak up for themselves, they cant describe what they feel and go through as their limbs are being ripped from their bodies or saline solution is burning them or a pair of forcepts is plunged into their skulls and thier brains are sucked out of their craniums.

We are heartless. We are gutless. We are too consumed with "its the economy stupid". We care too much about our pocketbook issues. And most babies are aborted for financial or convenience reasons. Well its the love of money that is the root of all evil.

And the lack of protest from African-Americans is most mistifying. A overwhelming disproportionate number of abortions are black babies. The marketing of and promotion of abortion to the black community is aggressive and no one wants to talk about it.

You can sweep it under the rug if you want to, but there is a God who sees the secrets of men and He sees the motives of the heart and He knows the identity and every name of every murdered child. The sin of leaglized abortion will be reckoned with someday. I choose to do all I can even if seemingly small to do all I can to change the laws as well as change the hearts of ungodly men and te minds of Christians who decide that the innocent blood of murdered babies is not our responsibility or something we should be overly concerned about.

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There are many other moral reasons a Christian should not have voted for Obama other than the abortion issue.

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Christians makeup very little of the population when it comes to votes! The fact that Christians buy into the whole I'll stop abortion speech if I'm electives has been proving false!

If Christians/ Churches want change, they need to get their own candidate in and stand behind them. Not some ho joe they offer up ever four years, that leaves you voting for the leaser of two evil, evil is evil!

Christians want make a difference get out there help these young women unwed mothers, stop with all the lip action, get into the mud! This means taken on the burden, bring em into your home to live, going the whole nine yards, making sure these women get medical treatment throughout their pergancies and after. You pay all bills. You make sure they have food, perinatal vits and get them to their doctor apt, sonograms, etc! You also drive em, after the baby born you buy diapers, baby formula, make sure it has all it's shots, etc. This keeps going until the kids 18....



Yeah that's a lot work and time, not many will get that evolved, nor want to!

That's why we have the killings!

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I'm just confused as to the lack of response when McCain can outright say that how someone would vote on Roe v. Wade will not influence his decision to appoint him or her. We either care about 40 million murders or we don't. I know that we can debate the benefits of overturning Roe v. Wade and whether it will help anything...but what is not debatable is what the majority of McCains supporters strongly feel should happen. I am also of the opinion that if Obama or any other liberal promised to do something that was contrary to what the vast majority of their constituents passionately felt to the same extent that the right feels about abortion, the fallout would be immediate and fatal. We have placed ourselves in a bad position.

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Mike Williamson, part of the problem is that even many white Christians are starting to see through the manipulation of our religious views through purely rhetorical positions and decades of the actions not adding up.

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There are a lot of perception issues that need to be addressed. On one hand we can ask "if a homosexual is voting, which party would he tend to vote for?"...On the other hand some would ask, "if a militant white supremacist was voting, which party would he vote for?".

As to your last sentance, that does ring true to a great extent. The flip side is that many are asking, "what concrete is being promised as it relates to abortion and our plan to end it?"

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I agree. Unfortunately, Roe v. Wade is now 30 years set in precedence and will be highly unlikely to be overturned by the SCOTUS.

I heard Anton Scalia at Harvard on C-Span say that he doubted it would ever be overturned due to it's long standing as the law of the land. If Scalia, the most conservative justice on the SCOTUS doubts, I'd say hope is dim.

The only thing that will cure this country's abortion problem is the same thing that will cure our drug, drinking, adultery, assault, and ID theft problem. The gospel of Jesus Christ preached with the annointing of the Holy Ghost causing sinners to identify and admit their sin and turn from it toward a Holy God.

It won't be petitions to Washington from Rod Parsley or loud protesting.

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They ( Republican) party didn't just lose the blacks, Hispanic vote, they lost most of America!

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And the band plays on........

I've never heard a candidate say "I'll stop abortion". They promise to appoint judges who will interpret the Constituition as it is written rather than some far fetched and convoluted twisting of it to find a way to legalize abortion. Democrats have a perfect record at appointing SC justices that support abortion. Republicans have appointed all the judges that are in favor of overturning R v. W that are currently on the SC. A few justices turned out to be not what they appeared to be, and that's unfortunate.

George W. did do some things very well. Appointing Roberts and Alito solidified two conservative votes on the Court.

And if Christians would vote with abortion as their main issue, black and white Christians, there would be more than enough votes to win the election for someone. Your lack of conscience on the plight of the unborn is disturbing.

You make my point HT. People kill these precious babies for economic reasons. I don't care how you slice it, it's evil.

If you take all the money given to Planned Parenthood, abortion clinics, condom programs, needle programs, save the whale, the spotted owl, the trees programs, as well as the pork barrel projects that Washington wastes money on and couple that with what Christian organizations and churches are already doing for unwanted children and unwed mothers and poor families, there would be plenty of money to help these folks and provide mechanisms to put their children up for adoption or help to raise them to adulthood.

You cant blame Christians for not trying. Christian charities do more for the poor, women and children than any other segment of society.

And none of this justifies the murder of millions of babies every year.

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No need for confusion, Stew. It would be stupid to say "a justice's stand on abortion is my litmus test for nomination". The media and the pro abortion groups would roll out 100's of millions of dollars in scare ads and marketing to fight the nomination.

Conservatives know that when a candidate says, "I will only appoint strict constructionist judges to the bench" they are in effect saying I will appoint judges who will interpret the Constitution as written, which includes the phony "right to an abortion" based on the "right to privacy" standard. When McCain says "I will appoint judges in the tradition of Antonin Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito" we all know what he's saying. Their records on abortion issues speak for themselves.

It makes plenty of sense to me. But then again, I am not trying to side step the issue of Democrat's stellar and steadfast record of supporting the murders of tens of millions of babies for 35 years. Their record speaks for itself as well.

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I think that pretty well expresses my feelings on this subject.

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How do you explain the appointments of Samuel Alito and John Roberts? George W. did not give us rhetoric when it came to appointing constructionist judges, he delivered. Did Ford make a mistake with Stevens? Yes. Did Reagan believe O'Conner and Kennedy would vote conservatively? Yes. Did Bush, Sr. believe Souter was more conservative than what he's turned out to be? Yes. I don't believe for a second that Ford, Reagan or Bush would have appointed these disappointing judges to the SC had they known how they would've voted on the SC. There has been no manipulation, only deception on the part of the nominees as to where their sentiments were on conservative issues.

A vast majority of black Christians vote pocketbook issues. Too many white Christians did as well this year. My contention is that although important, voting for monetary reasons while ignoring the deaths of millions of innocent children is wrong. Which is more important, my bank account or babies? Jesus said, "The poor you will always have with you." Helping the less fortunate is a challenge for every generation. It is a cause that needs to be addressed, but primarily it should be the responsibility of the Church, not government. Protecting the lives of the defenseless seems more like a responsibility of the government, rather than allowing the murder of such. Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of heaven" when speaking of children. He said that if we would harm any of his children our end would be better drowning in the depths of the sea than to have to deal with Him in judgement for it.

I am confused why so many Christians can't see it.

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There can be no promises to and I don't believe anyone is making promises to end legalized abortion. The only pledge one can make is to appoint conservative justices that will not manipulate the Constitution in such a way that a phony right to abortion emerges from it. Since liberals cannot win this issue through popular sentiment as a stand alone issue, they have had to assert their will through judicial activism. Unfortunately changing the make up of the SC has become the only way to change the law. No matter what a president promises or a legislator promises, laws can be passed and the courts will strike them down or restrict their enforcement.

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yeah, it's not just a race thing, how can any church hold rallies for a candidate that supports baby killin and gays? black or white, doesn't matter.

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But does that mean in addition to try to reach the world with the gospel changing the hearts and souls of men (which I endeavor to do every day), that we should not try to affect the leaders of our nation to do what is right in God's sight?

I think not, and I will not remain silent while the defenseless are harvested like cattle for convenience, cosmetics, and so-called medical advancements.

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In addition, although the argument seems complicated, it really is very simple. The end of LEGALIZED abortion (there will always be abortions, prostitutes, drugs and child pormography---we want to prevent the legalization of any of these) will come when there is a majority on the SC that will vote to end it. It really is that simple. Get a president that will appoint justices that will not misinterpret the Constitution, and we will return to a legal condition that was good enough for nearly 200 years of American history versus the past 35.

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DB, I don't have the time right now to answer all the great points you brought up in this series of posts, but let me just say that the issue lies much deeper than this. AS much as I don't like the monolithic partisan nature of the black community, I understand where it was developed by some. There is a very clear recent history of the Dems aggressively pursuing and courting the black vote while the GOP didn't. Also in the last 30 years or so things have come to light that has helped people continue to brand the Republican party as highly racist in some regions. It is not lost on people that if those of the David Duke ilk where to run or vote, it would almost always be Republican...just as much as a Al Sharpton would almost certainly run or vote Dem.

I'm off to a meeting but I shall return :)

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Churches need to begin providing ministry to women in unwanted or crisis pregnancies. Christians need to begin supporting social initiatives aimed at reducing the rate of unplanned pregnancies and that assist women who feel they have little choice but to abort.

Frankly, this is a GREAT development. Because instead of feeling good about voting Republican we're being forced to DO SOMETHING to help women who are thinking about an abortion and those who may have already had an abortion.

Interesting note here....when jobs dry up, there's no health insurance, and families are approaching the financial breaking point....they are more likely to choose to abort an unplanned pregnancy. We need to get to work and stop thinking we've done our duty by merely voting Republican.

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While I do agree we should and must do what we can to support unwed mothers and unwanted children, I would never place the blame of killing the child on anyone except the killer, and those who hired the hit man.

Our response and rejection of the killing should be the same - whether they are killing two year olds in Canada, adults in Rwanda, or babies in the womb in the USA. The defenseless unborn deserve the utmost protection by law.

I hear their screams.

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The truth of the matter is Christians and churches ARE doing much to minister to women with unwanted pregnancies far more than the liberal abortion advocate groups are and theyey have for may years.

A significant percentage of orphanages are Christian operated. In my hometown there was a Christian organization called "Heartbeats" that provided proactive abstinence education for teens, counseling and abortion alternatives for women with unwanted pregnancies, counseling for women who had abortions to deal with the trauma and guilt as well as counseling for the fathers of aborted babies who had no say in whether their child was murdered or not. A similar ministry is here where we live called "Life Choices". I have met some of the directors of that group and we are looking for ways to partner with them.

The diversion of "the church isn't doing enough" does not change the fact that although R v. W hasn't been overturned, its been a plank in the GOP platform to overturn it for three decades now. Official Democrat policy is to preserve legalized abortions and has been since its inception. Voting Republican isn't a sure fire way to end abortions, but voting Democrat is almost a 100% surety to keep them legal.

We, the church, could do more for sure, but the church is doing much to provide ministry to those most affected by unwanted pregnancies.

My sister has a barren womb. She does however have three beautiful children all adopted from women who could've chosen abortion but each one carried the baby to term, gave birth and then gave the child to my sister and her husband. Their eldest son is a hardworking, 20 year old who is in love and is great with his money and wants to get married next year. Very talented too. The other son is 12 and is a sharp cookie. He loves to hunt and fish with my dad. The 6 year old is a daughter and she is as pretty as can be with brilliant blue eyes. None of us could stand the thought to not have of them in our family. They are each one of us.

I wonder how many stories we'll never know because someone decided to kill the life of a promising little boy or girl because they couldn't afford to raise the child or b/c they didn't want to be bothered. Sad to think of my nephews and neice as dead.

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I think most Christian values voters would disagree with you. They blame every liberal politician who doesn't support anti-abortion justices to the Supreme Court.

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Well, All the Obama supporters should be rejoicing more abortions YEEEEA!!!

This is what they voted for and what they want because they knew it
when they pulled the lever - the blood's on their hands

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And perhaps while agreeing with me... do these "liberals" believe in paying the hit man? The majority of abortions are paid for - at least in part - by the Government.

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First let me say I along with most am against abortion. Having said that;
Br TR do you believe the sin of murder is more significant than a lie in Gods eyes? Sin is sin.

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Abortion would have remained legal for generations anyway and it is a pipe dream to think that any of these so called pro life candidates everybody drools over would have every changed that.

They have not in the past.
They will not in the future.

They just know the songs you like and they sing them well.

Until people wake up and vote in some real change then no real change is going to happen.

But they will be happy to perform the song and dance for you each and ever election cycle for decades on end since all the "pro life" folks require is election time tickling of the ears. They don't require real action... maybe a little token movement here and there... but with all of the pomp & circumstance pro lifers don't require an end to abortion... they simply require that someone say they are on their side with their words even if their actions speak volumes otherwise.

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Some are not smart enough to see that. If the GOP HAD repealed Roe V Wade they would have nothing to draw the right wingers.

Republican leaders really don't believe in small government ( they have proven that) they just want to do away with things that will make the everyday Americans life better, just to line their big business friends pockets.

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nose!!!!!