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Dan'D 11-20-2008 06:53 PM
Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
Could he be?

Michael Phelps 11-20-2008 06:58 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Dan'D (Post 636831)
Could he be?
He can join an esteemed group of others thru the years who have been pegged as "The Antichrist" by the prophecy buffs.

I remember when I was a kid, everyone was convinced that Harry Kissinger was the Antichrist.

Cindy 11-20-2008 06:59 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 636836)
He can join an esteemed group of others thru the years who have been pegged as "The Antichrist" by the prophecy buffs.

I remember when I was a kid, everyone was convinced that Harry Kissinger was the Antichrist.
I remember that.

bkstokes 11-20-2008 07:44 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
Please

I think we are giving the USA way to much credit on this one.

Bowas 11-20-2008 08:05 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Dan'D (Post 636831)
Could he be?
Unsure of the scripture that suggests "The antiChrist" anything.
We are Apostolics therfore I think we need to teach only what can be proven by the Apostles writings. (Bible)
I know everyone gets tired of hearing the same old, "where is the scripture for this or where is the scripture for that" The scripture is all we have to go on. Anything more is guessing, anything less is dangerous.

HappyTown 11-20-2008 10:03 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
NO!

Jermyn Davidson 11-20-2008 11:00 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
He could be, but I doubt it.

I for one am convinced that the ac will be a French man.

Just a hunch, nothing more.

HappyTown 11-20-2008 11:34 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by 1399 (Post 637003)
He could be, but I doubt it.

I for one am convinced that the ac will be a French man.

Just a hunch, nothing more.
It be a woman...;)

Jack Shephard 11-21-2008 06:40 AM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
Sure, anyone could be the Anti-Christ. Even you...lol

deacon blues 11-21-2008 08:06 AM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Dan'D (Post 636831)
Could he be?
In the timeless words of Bugs Bunny, "YYYYYYYYeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh, (chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp) could be............"

Digging4Truth 11-21-2008 08:08 AM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
I remember when Ronald Reagan was going to be the antichrist...

He had 6 letters in each of this three names...

6...6...6...

:ursofunny

And everyone knows that 6...6...6... equals 18 (Dramatic music queue... DUN DUN DUNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn)

deacon blues 11-21-2008 09:04 AM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
I don't believe the AC will be a US president. The US is too closely allied with Israel and we are heavily influenced by pro-Israel elements within our political, economic, educational, religious and pop culture systems.

No he will definitely be a Frenchman! :) Or an eskimo.

Digging4Truth 11-21-2008 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637173)
I don't believe the AC will be a US president. The US is too closely allied with Israel and we are heavily influenced by pro-Israel elements within our political, economic, educational, religious and pop culture systems.

No he will definitely be a Frenchman! :) Or an eskimo.
I don't believe the "AC" has ever been or ever will be any specific "he" or "she".

According to the Word of God... antichrist is a spirit... one that prevailed during the time of the apostles.

deacon blues 11-21-2008 09:14 AM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 637174)
I don't believe the "AC" has ever been or ever will be any specific "he" or "she".

According to the Word of God... antichrist is a spirit... one that prevailed during the time of the apostles.
The Antichrist is both a spirit and personified in an individual.


1Jo 2:18 (New Living Translation) Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the end of the world has come.

Digging4Truth 11-21-2008 09:31 AM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637188)
The Antichrist is both a spirit and personified in an individual.


1Jo 2:18 (New Living Translation) Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the end of the world has come.
This was interpreted by people with like predispositions to your own.

There is no capitalizing of the term antichrist and the addition of the worth THE before antichrist is likely self serving to that predisposition.

This scripture, in no way, was written to foretell the coming of some antichrist person in their far distant future and to state such would be frivolous indeed.

Dedicated Mind 11-21-2008 09:32 AM
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if the AC were a US president he would definetly be a Republican

Pressing-On 11-21-2008 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 637207)
This was interpreted by people with like predispositions to your own.

There is no capitalizing of the term antichrist and the addition of the worth THE before antichrist is likely self serving to that predisposition.

This scripture, in no way, was written to foretell the coming of some antichrist person in their far distant future and to state such would be frivolous indeed.
Right! :thumbsup

aak1972 11-21-2008 09:48 AM
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From what I can recall from the scriptures there are a lot of similarities in Obama and what the Bible says the AC will be. First he will use deception will stand on a peace platform and be out of the east. You cant get much more anti-christ as the Muslim faith. IF he proves to be Muslim.

TRFrance 11-21-2008 09:53 AM
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Well, children... let's break it down:
Barack - 6 letters
Hussein- 7
Obama - 5

Total =18

= 6 + 6 + 6

The Prophet TRFrance has spoken. Barack is the Antichrist. :rolleyes:

TRFrance 11-21-2008 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 637208)
if the AC were a US president he would definetly be a Republican
Why do you say that?

Esther 11-21-2008 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 637227)
Why do you say that?
I was going to ask the same question.

Digging4Truth 11-21-2008 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 637249)
I was going to ask the same question.
And we all wait with breath that smells like bait....

:ursofunny

deacon blues 11-21-2008 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 637208)
if the AC were a US president he would definetly be a Republican
Wow. You've got me convinced.

deacon blues 11-21-2008 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 637207)
This was interpreted by people with like predispositions to your own.

There is no capitalizing of the term antichrist and the addition of the worth THE before antichrist is likely self serving to that predisposition.

This scripture, in no way, was written to foretell the coming of some antichrist person in their far distant future and to state such would be frivolous indeed.
Most modern english translations translate the verse containing "the Antichrist". Most modern englsh translations use the oldest manuscripts to translate, older ones than King James had to work with, not "predispositions".

Digging4Truth 11-21-2008 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637292)
Most modern english translations translate the verse containing "the Antichrist". Most modern englsh translations use the oldest manuscripts to translate, older ones than King James had to work with, not "predispositions".
Most modern translators are working under the influence of over 150 years of dispensationalism being taught in most of our churches

TRFrance 11-21-2008 12:50 PM
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oh boy.

I sense another eschatology debate lurking in the shadows...

ILG 11-21-2008 01:47 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 637174)
I don't believe the "AC" has ever been or ever will be any specific "he" or "she".

According to the Word of God... antichrist is a spirit... one that prevailed during the time of the apostles.
That is an interesting thought.

TRFrance 11-21-2008 01:59 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 637174)
I don't believe the "AC" has ever been or ever will be any specific "he" or "she".

According to the Word of God... antichrist is a spirit... one that prevailed during the time of the apostles.
D4T, a few quick questions for you, if you don't mind...

Do you believe there is a "man of sin" to come, as Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2?

Do you believe there is ruler to come who will be the "king of the North", as Daniel wrote of in Daniel 12?

Do you believe "the Beast" of Revelation 13 represents an actual man who will come, and that the "False Prophet" of that same chapter is also a literal man to come who will be second-in-command to the man who would be "the Beast" ?

deacon blues 11-21-2008 02:02 PM
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TRF it all happened in 70 AD. We are now living in the "new earth"! Isn't that exciting. The new earth is here and its full of murder, corruption, child abuse and homosexuality. Isn't Christ's Kingdom wonderful????????

mfblume 11-21-2008 02:05 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637188)
The Antichrist is both a spirit and personified in an individual.


1Jo 2:18 (New Living Translation) Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the end of the world has come.
Almost correct. :)

THE antichirst is a spirit. It is not personified in one man, but MANY.

THE antichirst in that verse is THE SPIRIT. That is the only THE antichrist in the bible, and 1 John.

When we read in chapter 4 and come to verse 3, we are given the identity of THE antichrist they HEARD WOULD COME. And it is not a man but a SPIRIT.

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1 John 2:18 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 4:3 KJV And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

mfblume 11-21-2008 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637365)
TRF it all happened in 70 AD. We are now living in the "new earth"! Isn't that exciting. The new earth is here and its full of murder, corruption, child abuse and homosexuality. Isn't Christ's Kingdom wonderful????????
Ever consider Isa 51:16 which says that God CREATED heaven and earth when HE CALLED A COVENANT PEOPLE?

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Isaiah 51:16 KJV And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
So, would not a new covenant people be a new heaven and earth -- new creation?

To say a new heaven and earth is here is as odd as reading Isa 51:16 where God said he created heaven and earth when he called a PEOPLE to be ZIONO. But is Isaiah right or wrong?

Pressing-On 11-21-2008 02:12 PM
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that antichrist shall come - I John 2:18
He is antichrist - I John 2:22
spirit of antichrist - I John 4:3
a deceiver and an antichrist - II John 1:7

Antichrist simply means to oppose the Messiah. It is a spirit and not a person. As far as how Revelation plays out - I have no idea. I get lost somewhere around Chapter 15.

As far as Dispensationalism goes - I guess I question that. As time has progressed, over the pulpit, every new gadget, system, world leader and technology has been suspect. I'm tired of hearing it.

Everything else in the Bible lines up from Genesis to Revelation. The only thing that doesn't seem to line up is some of the references in the Word on some views concerning Revelation. Reaching outside of the Bible, seems confusing and speculation, IMO.

TRFrance 11-21-2008 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 637365)
TRF it all happened in 70 AD. We are now living in the "new earth"! Isn't that exciting. The new earth is here and its full of murder, corruption, child abuse and homosexuality. Isn't Christ's Kingdom wonderful????????
You are so right, DB.

Come to think of it...so why am I even spreading the gospel, if the "new earth" is already here?
Silly me. :whistle

TRFrance 11-21-2008 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 637371)
Ever consider Isa 51:16 which says that God CREATED heaven and earth when HE CALLED A COVENANT PEOPLE?

So, would not a new covenant people be a new heaven and earth -- new creation?

To say a new heaven and earth is here is as odd as reading Isa 51:16 where God said he created heaven and earth when he called a PEOPLE to be ZIONO. But is Isaiah right or wrong?
I dont see where in that verse God said he created a new heaven and earth.

16And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people

MB, I think you're forcing a meaning into that verse that's not really there.

mfblume 11-21-2008 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 637378)
I dont see where in that verse God said he created a new heaven and earth.

16And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people

MB, I think you're forcing a meaning into that verse that's not really there.
The verse is saying he called a people SO THAT HE MAY lay foundations of the earth and plant the heavens. That is creative language.

Read it from another version:

Isaiah 51:16 GW I put my words in your mouth and sheltered you in the palm of my hand. I stretched out the heavens, laid the foundations of the earth, and said to Zion, "You are my people."

Isaiah 51:16 ESV And I have put my words in your mouth and covered you in the shadow of my hand, establishing the heavens and laying the foundations of the earth, and saying to Zion, 'You are my people.'"

Isaiah 51:16 BBE And I have put my words in your mouth, covering you with the shade of my hand, stretching out the heavens, and placing the earth on its base, and saying to Zion, You are my people.

Isaiah 51:16 ASV And I have put my words in thy mouth, and have covered thee in the shadow of my hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Plain enough to me.

mfblume 11-21-2008 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 637375)
You are so right, DB.

Come to think of it...so why am I even spreading the gospel, if the "new earth" is already here?
Silly me. :whistle
If I believed the new earth refers to what you believe it refers to, then I would agree it is silly. But I think it refers to the new covenant people and the new covenant. So it all makes sense then. :D

Bowas 11-21-2008 03:05 PM
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I posted this on an earlier thread when the same question was asked there.
It does amaze me how soon people forgot what is so obvious.

"Barack Hussein Obama.
18 letters in his name. Coincidence? You decide.
18 divided by 3 = Yes. You got it... 6
Now take his wife, Michelle LaVaughn Obama. 21 letters in her name.
Take 21 and divide it by 6 (the number of his name) and what do you get?
Yes! 3.5!! And we all know the antichrist will break the covenant with Israel exactly 3.5 years into the 7 year peace treaty that Obama (oops, the antichrist) will sign with Israel.
So there you have it. The puzzle is slowly being revealed. Any more questions?"

Ferd 11-21-2008 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 637414)
I posted this on an earlier thread when the same question was asked there.
It does amaze me how soon people forgot what is so obvious.

"Barack Hussein Obama.
18 letters in his name. Coincidence? You decide.
18 divided by 3 = Yes. You got it... 6
Now take his wife, Michelle LaVaughn Obama. 21 letters in her name.
Take 21 and divide it by 6 (the number of his name) and what do you get?
Yes! 3.5!! And we all know the antichrist will break the covenant with Israel exactly 3.5 years into the 7 year peace treaty that Obama (oops, the antichrist) will sign with Israel.
So there you have it. The puzzle is slowly being revealed. Any more questions?"

yes I have two questions

1. do you really believe this
2. and if so, how many others have you believed were the antichrist?

TRFrance 11-21-2008 03:10 PM
Re: Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 637414)
I posted this on an earlier thread when the same question was asked there.
It does amaze me how soon people forgot what is so obvious.

"Barack Hussein Obama.
18 letters in his name. Coincidence? You decide.
18 divided by 3 = Yes. You got it... 6
Now take his wife, Michelle LaVaughn Obama. 21 letters in her name.
Take 21 and divide it by 6 (the number of his name) and what do you get?
Yes! 3.5!! And we all know the antichrist will break the covenant with Israel exactly 3.5 years into the 7 year peace treaty that Obama (oops, the antichrist) will sign with Israel.
So there you have it. The puzzle is slowly being revealed. Any more questions?"
Only one:
Did it hurt that day when you fell and hit your head?:ursofunny

Pressing-On 11-21-2008 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 637418)
Only one:
Did it hurt that day when you fell and hit your head?:ursofunny
:toofunny :toofunny


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