This is pure HERESY!
 

I believe that anything that is assigned a soteriological significance (a MUST for salvation) that God's word does not clearly and specifically state so, is a HERETICAL doctrine and could be therefore worthy of damnation.

I think it is fine to declare to people that certain things may be damaging to their relationship with the Lord.

But to state that because the pastor declares something that should either be done or refrained from, and then declare that because someone in their church doesn't follow the pastor's directive, and is therefore disobedient, and therfore rebellious, and therefore in witchcraft, and therefore headed to STRAIGHT to hell, is nothing short of popery.

There is nothing greater on this earth than the salvation God Himself purchased with His own blood!!! To MESS with that, IMO, is to take the role of God Himself upon oneself.

I think that is dangerous territory to tread upon. Call me liberal. Call me a compromiser. Call me loosey goosey or whatever it is you want to call me, but I ain't messin' with salvation.

Happy Easter!!!! :D

Loosey Goosey.....

You were ok up to the "I believe" part.

MOW has the TRUTH.

Mow wrote:
what if someone was teaching that somebody was Christ's who did not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling within them?

for instance, somebody who believed but did not have the spirit of Christ dwelling in them?

would speaking of this lacking condition be heretical doctrinal teachings?

Agree!

See, even folk who think everyone is saved can find something to call heresy!

MOW thinks there is NO error so everything is relative an sorta the truth!:tiphat He has several rulers in his home one has 10 inches, one has 13 inches, one is elastic a foot is anything you want it to be. Doesn't want to be seen as being like those dogmatic folks that only believe 12 inches can be a foot those radicals.

Nice, Ferd...

Give me a break..................... Perhaps you should try being factual in your assessments...

MOW has no FACTS because FACTS would be judgmental that would mean up is really up and down is really down and in is really in and out is really out.
You are up-down-in-out if you are sincere.

thanks. I thought it was pretty funny!:slaphappy

Questioning MOW's sincerety, Elder?

Don't tell me you are an absolutist.:winkgrin :happydance

I am too, some folk are absolutely wrong.:winkgrin

Oh, I'm absolutely sincere.

You're attacking MOW by saying things that are NOT true.

I guess it's ok to spread 'mis-truths' as long as they're designed to malign 'liberals'.



I think I'll finally use the ignore button.

Don't use the ignore button, call their hand.

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Do I ever agree with that!:winkgrin

Well, interestingly enough I knew the instant I read what MOW wrote, that some were going to polarize and I was exactly right.

I agree with MOW that if doctor, lawyer, indian chief, evangelist, pastor, preacher, or teacher says something related to salvation and claims that because they are the authority...spiritual or otherwise, then what they say is equal to the bible?

Would anyone with even a a shread of spiritual acumen disagree with this?

I love this thread!

Ronzo I was using everyday examples that we could relate to. MOW does have some absolutes I wish he would carry them into the teaching of the gospel.

Even though Jesus said that God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him, there are those who seem to believe it is their God appointed role in life to condemn everyone who is not like them. Jesus said anyone who believes in Him is not condemned because the fruit of their life shows that they have come into the light and it is obvious that what they do has been done through God. (John 3:16-21)

:rooting

Same boat that saved Noah condemned those who didn't get in. Heb. 11:7

:crazy

He sure did not keep them out for not living write either!

Elder,
I love you and appreciate you, and have read enough of your posts to understand your pointedness is not meant as rudeness, but boy howdy, you have come very close to personal bashing here in regards to MOW.

What you need to recognize is that it wasn't Noah who closed the door, but God. It's when folks like yourself step into the role of closing the door on people that God has opened the door to, that gets me rankled.

Noah, looked out the side of the boat and he saw a bunch of "Canoesmatics" rowing beside the Ark!:D


I am sorry, I couldn't help myself!:toofunny



Uh, Oh, gotta run.:aaa

The "canoesmatics" used a new invention call a "boat motor", to get them where they wanted more quickly and more efficiently! :) Noah and crew didn't want anything worldly attached to the ark!

dont you people realize the flood was only in one small part of the world? those that decided living in that culture wasnt for them so they moved to eruope and ate Mamoth.

:friend

:nah

I would like to make one point of clarification.

MOW has stated that he believes that all Christians that put their faith in Christ are saved. They never have to come to an Acts experience. In fact he has stated clearly that it was his contact with wonderful non-Apostolic Christians that led him to this belief and out of the UPCI. (I suspect at great personal loss).

I know that MOW teaches and preaches the Acts message and people come to the Lord and find that experience in his church. I do not want to belittle him in any way.

I do think that when MOW or anyone who professes the above belief system, on an Apostolic message board, they are going to be subject to some critical examination. I also suspect that MOW fully expected as much.

For those that see anyone disagreeing with him as being critical or judgmental, I would suggest that you have found yourself critiquing conservative pastors with no small amount of judgment.

Instead of getting upset with Pastor Epley over this, how about debate the issue?

When I said, “even folk who think everyone is saved can find something to call heresy”, I believe while a meant to be over the top, fits with the subject and the author of this thread.

But peace to you all anyway….

If MOW sees this as a personal attack let him say so I will apologize I am attacking what he has written NOT him personally. But he started the thread expecting this and I would NOT want him disappointed.:tiphat

One man's heresy is another man's golden rule...

Brother Epley, in your history of posting, I have never seen you insult anyone personally...except me, but in that case, it was probably called for. :slaphappy

He who has the gold, gets to do the heresy... :winkgrin

Remember, hearsay isn't allowed in a court of law...:nah