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Cindy 11-24-2008 07:41 PM

Can We Become Too Apostolic?
 
I have been thinking today, about how proud some of us are that we're Apostolic.
At times, it even seems like we think that being thought of as Apostolic, is more important than being thought of as Christians.
Is it possible to be caught up in being more of something, that we forget our purpose?

rgcraig 11-24-2008 07:42 PM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
Wow......you have come into the oxygen - - what an excellent point you have made!!!!

holinesswoman 11-24-2008 07:47 PM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639744)
I have been thinking today, about how proud some of us are that we're Apostolic.
At times, it even seems like we think that being thought of as Apostolic, is more important than being thought of as Christians.
Is it possible to be caught up in being more of something, that we forget our purpose?

Surely you speak in jesting tones here cneasttx.

There is nothing more important than our apostlic heritage.

If it wasn't important why on earth would it be the only topic they preach on a ladies retreat?

Cindy 11-24-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by holinesswoman (Post 639749)
Surely you speak in jesting tones here cneasttx.

There is nothing more important than our apostlic heritage.

If it wasn't important why on earth would it be the only topic they preach on a ladies retreat?

MY heritage starts with Jesus Christ. At the first drop of His blood, my life began.

Maybe someone that preaches at ladies retreats, should preach about Jesus.

rrford 11-24-2008 07:59 PM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
In all honesty if one is truly Christian and truly Apostolic then there is little difference. It is merely a matter of semantics. Being Apostolic is no more than being a true Christian. So, no, you can't be too Apostolic.


That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :whistle

holinesswoman 11-24-2008 07:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639752)
MY heritage starts with Jesus Christ. At the first drop of His blood, my life began.

Maybe someone that preaches at ladies retreats, should preach about Jesus.

No my dear, just dresses and hair. occasionly you'll get s sermon agaist that Jezebel makeup spirit.

That's the good stuff that get's holiness gals a shouting our hairpins down.

Hoovie 11-24-2008 08:01 PM

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Unlike my others, (my wife included) I am not a 4th generation "Apostolic" or Pentecostal. So I may not have the same admiration of modern heritage as some I attend church with.

I truly prefer to known as simply a "Christian" and if further description is needed, then Conservative Christian" is fine with me.

Sam 11-24-2008 08:01 PM

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Well, Dan Alicea was more Apostolic than any of us and he has been banished.

freeatlast 11-24-2008 08:08 PM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639744)
I have been thinking today, about how proud some of us are that we're Apostolic.
At times, it even seems like we think that being thought of as Apostolic, is more important than being thought of as Christians.
Is it possible to be caught up in being more of something, that we forget our purpose?

Well This one thing I know. We cannot become to close to God.

Hoovie 11-24-2008 08:09 PM

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ahem... In all honesty should we not openly declare 99.9% of "Christians" to be of the false variety?

Is this the kind of transparency we want?

To equate non-Apostolic with non-Christian - from Dr Dobson to Corrie Ten Boom?

I THINK NOT. I am content to be Christian.

Cindy 11-24-2008 08:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 639757)
In all honesty if one is truly Christian and truly Apostolic then there is little difference. It is merely a matter of semantics. Being Apostolic is no more than being a true Christian. So, no, you can't be too Apostolic.


That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :whistle

Thank you.

Cindy 11-24-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 639764)
Well This one thing I know. We cannot become to close to God.

Amen!

rrford 11-24-2008 08:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 639765)
ahem... In all honesty should we not openly declare 99.9% of "Christians" to be of the false variety?

Is this the kind of transparency we want?

To equate non-Apostolic with non-Christian - from Dr Dobson to Corrie Ten Boom?

I THINK NOT. I am content to be Christian.

I reckon it all depends on whether or not you want words to really mean anything or if you want to pacify people. JMO. (But I do get your point. I would just apply it differently at different times.)

freeatlast 11-24-2008 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 639757)
In all honesty if one is truly Christian and truly Apostolic then there is little difference. It is merely a matter of semantics. Being Apostolic is no more than being a true Christian. So, no, you can't be too Apostolic.


That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :whistle

So in all honesty, are you saying you are not a Christian if you are not an Acts 2:38 Apostolic ??

rrford 11-24-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 639771)
So in all honesty, are you saying you are not a Christian if you are not an Acts 2:38 Apostolic ??

If one actually believes a true Christian to be one who follows the teachings of Christ and further believes those teachings include the response to the Gospel given in Acts 2:38 then it would seem that 1+1=2.

Cindy 11-24-2008 08:22 PM

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In no way am I trying to imply, that I do not believe in, repenting of my sins, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. I believe it is the core of Peter's message to us.
But by all accounts of the apostles, their message was Jesus Christ. They always stressed a relationship with Jesus.

freeatlast 11-24-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford (Post 639773)
If one actually believes a true Christian to be one who follows the teachings of Christ and further believes those teachings include the response to the Gospel given in Acts 2:38 then it would seem that 1+1=2.

thank you,

IsolatedSaint 11-24-2008 08:24 PM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639744)
I have been thinking today, about how proud some of us are that we're Apostolic.
At times, it even seems like we think that being thought of as Apostolic, is more important than being thought of as Christians.
Is it possible to be caught up in being more of something, that we forget our purpose?

That depends on what we mean when we call ourselves Apostolic. Being Apostolic is more than being baptized in Jesus Name, adhering to the Oneness of the Godhead, and teaching SOME holiness standards.

We are to be Apostolic on all levels like they were in the Book of Acts and for a while there during the early 20th century revivals(you know all those signs that supposed to follow ALL believers)....Acts 8 is a good role model for this.

By the way, I don't like the term CHRISTIAN either....throughout the NT we were overwhelmingly referered to as SAINTS in the epistles , not christians.
The word Christian is only used 3 times in the NT......what's even more thought provoking though is that the number of times the word Apostolic is used in reference to believers is ZERO.

Cindy 11-24-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint (Post 639779)
That depends on what we mean when we call ourselves Apostolic. Being Apostolic is more than being baptized in Jesus Name, adhering to the Oneness of the Godhead, and teaching SOME holiness standards.

We are to be Apostolic on all levels like they were in the Book of Acts and for a while there during the early 20th century revivals(you know all those signs that supposed to follow ALL believers)....Acts 8 is a good role model for this.

By the way, I don't like the term CHRISTIAN either....throughout the NT we were overwhelmingly referered to as SAINTS in the epistles , not christians.
The word Christian is only used 3 times in the NT......what's even more thought provoking though is that the number of times the word Apostolic is used in reference to believers is ZERO.

That is interesting, thank you for this response. I wonder why we are not referred to as saints then.

Hoovie 11-24-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford (Post 639770)
I reckon it all depends on whether or not you want words to really mean anything or if you want to pacify people. JMO. (But I do get your point. I would just apply it differently at different times.)

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 639771)
So in all honesty, are you saying you are not a Christian if you are not an Acts 2:38 Apostolic ??

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 639773)
If one actually believes a true Christian to be one who follows the teachings of Christ and further believes those teachings include the response to the Gospel given in Acts 2:38 then it would seem that 1+1=2.

Much of it is relative regardless of the code language used.

One could almost go away thinking non-Apostolic denominations did not teach and preach Acts 2:38, or were not monotheistic. Of course nothing is further from the truth.

freeatlast 11-24-2008 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint (Post 639779)
That depends on what we mean when we call ourselves Apostolic. Being Apostolic is more than being baptized in Jesus Name, adhering to the Oneness of the Godhead, and teaching SOME holiness standards.

We are to be Apostolic on all levels like they were in the Book of Acts and for a while there during the early 20th century revivals(you know all those signs that supposed to follow ALL believers)....Acts 8 is a good role model for this.

By the way, I don't like the term CHRISTIAN either....throughout the NT we were overwhelmingly referered to as SAINTS in the epistles , not christians.
The word Christian is only used 3 times in the NT......what's even more thought provoking though is that the number of times the word Apostolic is used in reference to believers is ZERO.



Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

and it's in the book of Acts IsolatedSaint

Cindy 11-24-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 639806)
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

and it's in the book of Acts IsolatedSaint

Thank you FAL.

mizpeh 11-24-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 639787)
Much of it is relative regardless of the code language used.

One could almost go away thinking non-Apostolic denominations did not teach and preach Acts 2:38, or were not monotheistic. Of course nothing is further from the truth.

:whistle

Hoovie 11-24-2008 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 639822)
:whistle

Keep whistling ... don't I know that tune??

When we all get to Heaven,
What a day of rejoicing that will be!

Hoovie 11-24-2008 09:01 PM

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Yeah, that's it.

Sing the wondrous love of Jesus,
Sing His mercy and His grace.
In the mansions bright and blessèd
He’ll prepare for us a place.

When we all get to Heaven,
What a day of rejoicing that will be!
When we all see Jesus,
We’ll sing and shout the victory!

Kay B 11-24-2008 09:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639744)
I have been thinking today, about how proud some of us are that we're Apostolic.
At times, it even seems like we think that being thought of as Apostolic, is more important than being thought of as Christians.
Is it possible to be caught up in being more of something, that we forget our purpose?

I never heard the term Apostolic when I received the Holy Ghost in 1961. In fact I rarely hear it except when I see it on forums.
We were called Jesus only or holy rollers.
I'm still Jesus only and a holy roller and like Minnie Pearl use to say.
"Howdy, I'm just so proud to be here." :friend

Cindy 11-24-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hnhisle (Post 639859)
I never heard the term Apostolic when I received the Holy Ghost in 1961. In fact I rarely hear it except when I see it on forums.
We were called Jesus only or holy rollers.
I'm still Jesus only and a holy roller and like Minnie Pearl use to say.
"Howdy, I'm just so proud to be here." :friend

I am Pentecostal.
I really only learned of Apostolic on GNC. Of course that led me to AFF.

Kay B 11-24-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639863)
I am Pentecostal.
I really only learned of Apostolic on GNC. Of course that led me to AFF.

and I joined you at both..:aaa


We watched the dvd sermon of Bro Haney from gen Conf today. Good Preaching !

Cindy 11-24-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hnhisle (Post 639874)
and I joined you at both..:aaa


We watched the dvd sermon of Bro Haney from gen Conf today. Good Preaching !

I am envious.

Ron 11-24-2008 10:17 PM

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Shouldn't there be a question mark in the thread title?:hmmm

Cindy 11-24-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 639894)
Shouldn't there be a question mark in the thread title?:hmmm

I'll ask Renda.

Kay B 11-24-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639883)
I am envious.

Someone loaned it to us. At the end was a storm with thunder and lighting. :D You know me I love a STORM! :dance

Cindy 11-24-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hnhisle (Post 639897)
Someone loaned it to us. At the end was a storm with thunder and lighting. :D You know me I love a STORM! :dance

Then you're living in the wrong State.

Ron 11-24-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639896)
I'll ask Renda.

I'm just picking on ya!

I agree with rrford that Apostolic & Christian are synonymous as the Apostles were the first Christians.

I see what you are saying though, we try to hard to the thee's & thou's of being a Christian instead of cultivating the "Fruit of the Spirit" in our lives!

tv1a 11-24-2008 10:33 PM

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1.There is NO Biblical definition of apostolic.
2. Catholics can provide scripture stating they are as apostolics as blue denim whales.
3. Everyone who believes nothing is more important than apostolic heritage is practicing idolatry.
4. God didn't want call us to be apostolic.
5. Labels limit God. Especially the legalistic definition of apostolic.

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Originally Posted by holinesswoman (Post 639749)
Surely you speak in jesting tones here cneasttx.

Quote:

There is nothing more important than our apostlic heritage.


If it wasn't important why on earth would it be the only topic they preach on a ladies retreat?


Ron 11-24-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 639901)
1.There is NO Biblical definition of apostolic.
2. Catholics can provide scripture stating they are as apostolics as blue denim whales.
3. Everyone who believes nothing is more important than apostolic heritage is practicing idolatry.
4. God didn't want call us to be apostolic.
5. Labels limit God. Especially the legalistic definition of apostolic.

I take it you ain't Apostolic?:hmmm

tv1a 11-24-2008 11:00 PM

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I will burn in hell before I identify myself as an apostolic. Or any other religious labe for that factl.

God didn't call anyone to be apostolic. Apostolic is a non-biblical label with definitions as diverse as one wants to be. Everyone thinks they have the market cornered on apostolic. Apostolic is a term used to stroke the ego.

What I see in scripture is if I have to tell people I'm a christian, I may not have the goods after all. The Bible says the world labeled the followers of Christ as christians. Many Bible experts suggests this wasn't a compliment rather a term which is equated to the n-word for black people.

I refuse to put God in the box of religion. Religion is another word for superstition. Superstition is related to witchcraft.

If I'm not a follower of Christ, any label I choose to wear is a pile of manure. It's tougher being a disciple than relgious, but a disciple is scriptural. Religious is not scriptural.

Hope that answers your question.

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 639902)
I take it you ain't Apostolic?:hmmm


iceniez 11-25-2008 04:47 AM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 639752)
MY heritage starts with Jesus Christ. At the first drop of His blood, my life began.

Maybe someone that preaches at ladies retreats, should preach about Jesus.

That is the main point. Preach Jesus as the Apostles Preached Jesus this is the true Apostolic Faith.I totally agree:preach:highfive

Hoovie 11-25-2008 05:40 AM

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For the record I do NOT want to burn in hell!

Label me whatever.

Steve Epley 11-25-2008 07:19 AM

Re: Can We Become Too Apostolic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 639757)
In all honesty if one is truly Christian and truly Apostolic then there is little difference. It is merely a matter of semantics. Being Apostolic is no more than being a true Christian. So, no, you can't be too Apostolic.


That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :whistle

And it is correct.


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