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I was wondering how much of your church rules do you infringe on your children. For example the following rules have been set by your church:

1. No movies
2. No television
3. No sports or attending sporting events
4. No prom
5. No marching band
6. No pants at all on little girls regardless of the event
7. Head covering everday and all day for little girls (even in school)
8. No participation in dance
9. No listening to secular music

How much do you think your children should experience and are these things going to cause your child to go to hell or end up on some type of slippery slope?

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None of theses apply in my church.

Do I think any of these could cause a kid to go to hell??

Only if they were forced on the kid, and then said kid became a hypercritical legalistic pentecostal.

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I dont believe anyone can find a scripture that will prove any of these things will send anyone to hell!!!!

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What happens when the children begin to act out in school and home in protest to so many rules? What is a parent to do while making the kids follow these rules?

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It sounds more like standards. A lot of churchs don't want the members to mix with the outside world. I must ask how will a person learn to get along with others.
I have used this example before. Playing football is not evil. A lot of the guys get a lot of money and then go crazy. It's, the love of money that's wrong, not the money itself.
What do you put first in your life? God or the world. What do you let influence you? The Word of God or the word of the world?
If anything you listed is causing you or your family to lose out with God then it should go.
My home church does use standards but at the same time one must use common sense.

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Warrior, do you follow these rules already? Is this something that is new to you or new to the church body? Have you ever been exposed to this type of teaching before. Do you have children yet?

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First talk to the pastor and make sure he sees these things as heaven or hell issues...if you cannot comply move on... I think we must have rights and wrongs...black and white however there must be balance...
Some folks make a sin what they do not like and ok what they like...
We must all have our standards and personal convictions...however we must also be willing to admit we have all been wrong about something at some time or the other...

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Jimmy, this is all based on a discussion I was having with a friend. He church is very legalistic, and her children are carrying on pretty badly in school. Because they really don't have anything to take away from them their only manner of discipline is to spank them.

I think they need to be experiencing things kids experience because it helps to mold who they are, provide the needed experiences for being well rounded and can assist in areas of discipline.

No, I don't have any kids. I wouldn't be a member of this church because they just have waaaaaaay toooooooo many rules to follow and none of them are in the Bible.

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If you're going to raise your children in this church, and you want to be involved, then you probably need to follow the rules/standards. If not, then find a church that you feel comfortable raising them in. I wouldn't want to raise mine in a place where I had to tell them, "well our church teaches this.....but this is what we do." I think it leads to confusion. JMHO.

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Rules are in the Bible however we must determine IF all those rules are in the Bible...Thou shalt not....is for our safety and guide however for my honest opinion I do not agree with ALL those rules...
My kids went to public school and made it just fine however I know public schools do not help the cause of Christ as a whole. Some I am sure are ok...others put to much pressure on Christian children.

Some things kids are going to do if we like it or not...I will give a little example...for many years many churches in Brazil did not believe in letting kids play ball...I always let my kids play ball and one pastor here once told me, Missionary, you let your kids sin. I replied to him that I had rather my kids play ball with other christian kids than play hidden in some field with a bunch of dope pushers...I knew his boy played ball hidden from him with a very rough crowd...
So kids will find a way...if we are wise (and many times I failed) however if we are wise we will help them get involved in something they enjoy with the right crowd if not...they will rebel...and we will suffer more...
I would not teach them to go against the pastor...I would find a different church with more balance. Many churches do have good youth programs and keep the kids excited.

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Ditto!

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I will offer you my experience. When I was 14 I was attending an ACE programed UPC run church school. It was in the church I was raised in. We had a competition team that participated in sports, educational and musical competition with other ACE schools. We had a track team and were very succesful we went to Flagstaff, AR. and won 6th place in the 400 meter relay. One of my teammates was John Ragsdale. I was blessed with a talent to run and to run quite fast. As I became older I and my parents were begged for me to attend the public and two private schools. One wealthy resident even offered to pay my tuition at one of them. However I was not allowed. I often cried at night b/c I couldnt play sports but i could compete with other ACE schools and they were not all UPC. When I went to college I could outrun all but two of the star football players and most of the track team. But still I was not allowed. I finally got my student loans paid for but I could have had a full scholorship. But the past is the past. I always thaught God is the one who gave me the talent but I was never able to use it.

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The problem with finding another church is they are taught that they are the only one that has the truth and is right. Therefore, they aren't going anywhere.

Personally, I don't care what the adults do. Those children are just having a problem. I wanted to offer some suggestions as to how the children can be helped.

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I understand. The post on this subject have been very good. I agree kids need to experience some things in order to interact with others and help mold them.
We also understand that not all things are good. We as parents must find the right mix for our children.
I do not know the church or history of it, but many take it to the edge when it comes to (how to rear children).
I would have a problem attending there.
Each person is different.
The area of discipline is another subject matter.

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You can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says doing these activities will send you to hell so if a pastor says it will send them to hell he is "adding" his own opinion to God's word and I CAN show you scripture that says you ARE NOT supposed to do that.

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I certainly think that if the children experienced more things and were given the social opportunities they would be able to relate better to their peers. Also, when a kid loves something so much the will behave so that they don't lose their freedom to do those things. I don't think spanking is the only way to dsicipline your kids. As you said it is a seperate matter.

I do think that parents must decide what will work for their family and what won't. I simply have a problem with denying them the freedom to do everything.

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They use the scripture about rioting to support them not going to and participating in sports.

You already know the scriptures for TV and the movies. I don't even have to say anything about those.

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I guess I missed the scriptures about not watching TV and movies.

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Do you think this church is along the line of being an cult?

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In some ways yes.

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A scripture about rioting to support them not going to and participating in sports??? How do they come up with that?? That's a riot (HAHA I CRACK MYSELF UP - LOL) If that is the scripture they use they need to add "not shopping the day after Thanksgiving" to their list of dont's!

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Hey thanks I will have to use that one on my wife to "make' her stay home. LOL

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You are preaching to the choir.:choir:choir

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Yeah - I am SURE you can "MAKE" her stay home - let me know how that works out for you! LOL - I usually go shopping but it is usually around noon before I get out - that kind of stuff is not for me - I generally don't like to shop period - so the after thanksgiving think doesn't even appeal to me.

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Raising kids, the most challenging thing we will ever do.

to strict, you can run them off.

to looose, they run off as well.


Just like anything else, pray pray and pray that God will give us wisdom.

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Here is a church that is against shopping.
http://www.revbilly.com/

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DO NOT HIJACK MY THREAD! KNOCK IT OFF! please>)

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Shut up - LOL

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Many churches (I should say those in power) abuse their teachings of standards.
If that is true, from what I understand, getting the parents to change anything is very hard.

I'm sorry for the children.

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That's pretty funny - I am sure most of his membership consists of married men - LOL

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Why do they not have "no internet" on that list?

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They can use the internet but the teens have been told not to use social networking sites like my space/facebook.

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They have also been warned that if the computer gets out of control i.e. watching tv and movies on it they wouldn't be allowed to use it. Go figure.

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Why don't people like this home school or have a church school? I do not believe a parent EVER has to compromise his/her beliefs in regards to their children, who are supposed to be subject to them, and I do NOT believe parents should hold back from what they believe is right concerning standards for their children, but I do believe it is unfair to put your children in an environment so contrary to what you're doing everyday for school. I understand those 9 standards you mentioned and how someone could believe in them, and I am actually curious as to which assembly they attend. The Two-God Pentecostals in the town next to mine have their own church school, the Conservative Mennonites in the southern part of my state have a church school, the Muslims in my town have an Islamic Academy... I think it's time for your friends assembly to start a school or encourage homeschooling.

Do you all really think that parents should hold back from doing what they believe is right to not "deprive" their children of things that the parents think are wrong?

-Bro. Alex

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and their scripture for that would be....?????? If they use that logic - then they should be able to watch TV but just not certain shows - there are definitely certain shows that I do not watch and it has nothing to do with Bible - just they are so disgusting I don't care to watch them - just as there are sites on the internet I don't go to because they are disgusting - I would just get away from that church - although lots of pentecostal churches have those rules - thankfully not the one I go to now - I don't agree with all of that and would not go to a church that preached you were going to hell if they did participate in sports, watch TV, etc

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This is the worst thing to do. You send them to a church school for 12 years to protect them from an environment they will have to spend the rest of thier life in! Can you say cultureshock!! This I have witnessed!

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Bro. Alex - if you read these posts I think the general consensus of the ones that are participating on this is they do not agree with this pastor and his "rules". ;-)

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Bro. Alex,

I think that if they are going to exclude the way they do then perhaps they shouldn't get ANYTHING from the world's system as the mennonites do, not even a job. They should have their own resources, but they are not organized and resourceful enough to do that. These people have no vision. They only care about making rules.

I said that a long time ago. If they had their own community then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Even the mennonites give their children an opportunity to taste the world and make a decision as to whether they choose to continue in the life they were raised in.

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I cans see your point!

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They have actually been banned from Starbucks and were escorted out of the Mall of America by police.