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peytongurley 12-08-2008 12:15 PM

Repentance...
 
I have an acquaintance that is some sort of Baptist-Calivinistic-Non-Denominational-Make-It-Up-As-You-Go thing... and he has given many verses of scripture to back up how after you repent for salvation, you don't have to repent anymore... and I know I have been taught the opposite, but I need help with Biblical proof! Thanks!

iceniez 12-08-2008 12:20 PM

Re: Repentance...
 
1Jn 1:9 for starters If we confess our sins ,John was writing to those who were already part of the Church.

LUKE2447 12-08-2008 12:35 PM

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How can a person confess a sin if there is not sin anymore for a believer? This comes down to the mentality of "no law" or antinomiansim.

Get a book called "The Believers Conditional Security" by Dan Corner. Which is huge and pretty good. Though he is a Faith Only person he harshly goes against OSAS teaching. You can also look up some stuff on YouTube which is decent. I believe his nme is Mike Desario. He goes after Hanaagraf and others. He teaches using clips of the OSAS teachers etc...

peytongurley 12-08-2008 02:14 PM

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Thank you guys so much!

mizpeh 12-08-2008 02:42 PM

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Show him the first few chapters of the book of Revelation.

peytongurley 12-08-2008 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 650950)
How can a person confess a sin if there is not sin anymore for a believer? This comes down to the mentality of "no law" or antinomiansim.

Get a book called "The Believers Conditional Security" by Dan Corner. Which is huge and pretty good. Though he is a Faith Only person he harshly goes against OSAS teaching. You can also look up some stuff on YouTube which is decent. I believe his nme is Mike Desario. He goes after Hanaagraf and others. He teaches using clips of the OSAS teachers etc...

So I have been listening to this Dan Corner. Great stuff btw! BUT, do you believe what I John 5:16, 17 says?

I John
5:16 - If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

5:17 - All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

I am confused on what to think... anything would be greatly appreciated. :-)

iceniez 12-09-2008 04:22 AM

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www.abideinchrist.info/oncesaved.html this is another helpful link.

peytongurley 12-09-2008 12:14 PM

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Thank you guys for the useful links! This person is OSAS, but my question is more why you have to keep repenting after salvation? Thanks again! Peyton

LUKE2447 12-09-2008 01:53 PM

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Repenting and asking for forgivenss are two parts. Repentance is turning away from the flesh back to the leading of the Spirit thus he has reign in your life. Asking for forgivenss is a petition before God. Your petition means nothing if your heart has not turned away.

peytongurley 12-09-2008 03:45 PM

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So now I am confused and freaking out a little bit. So, I know and understand that you must repent, be baptized, and be filled with God's spirit to be saved. But once you are saved, and living this life, you fall. It happens to everyone. So, when you fall, do you repent? Ask for forgiveness? Both? I thought we were supposed to repent for everything. My "friend" says you don't have to repent after the initial salvational repentance. And to think, I have been Apostolic my whole life... (I'm 22 btw.)

iceniez 12-09-2008 04:51 PM

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It is more like Paul sid " I die daily " Even though we are baptized for the remission fo sins.We still walk in an earthly body and "sin" [trangress], and we have infirmities [these are not sicknesses as much as weaknesses of flesh or our human nature] .Sanctification is an on going process and today I may do some thing that I don't even know is sin ,So I like David I ask God to forgive even my secret sin. I hope that helps,and not confuses you more.At least this is what I was taught.

peytongurley 12-10-2008 11:33 AM

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Do you think that all sin is equal? I am confused about this because 1 John 5:16, 17 - 16. If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

iceniez 12-11-2008 08:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peytongurley (Post 653067)
Do you think that all sin is equal? I am confused about this because 1 John 5:16, 17 - 16. If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

I really don't know I don't know what is a sin unto death,and no I have not prayed for it. I do know that under the law there were many sins that held the death penalty.If you look into it some that may surprise you, that people commit today .However because We are under grace some of these sins don't hold a death penalty in this world.I recently came to the understanding that as scripture says .Sin always produces death,mostly in the form of consequences in this world ,and in the Spirit it hinders our relationship with God.If unrepented of it leads to eternal seperation.

cliff d 12-11-2008 10:21 AM

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My dear brother the apostle paul himself said i die daily.........what the apostle paul was acknowledgeing was he sinned everyday and that he must die every day.....die here means to repent.

cliff d 12-11-2008 10:22 AM

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there was only one man without sin .....Jesus.


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