Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?
 

Where is the Rank and Order of the Five Fold Ministers????

Why are the Pastors recieving tithe and not the others????

Why is not this office shared as a whole????

What up with this?

Tradition.

Alternative: Tithes go to the five fold ministry and workers in the church, but are never meant to be law.

Firstfruits: Something other than tithes, go to the set man in the church. Eg. The ANGEL of the church is any one of the five fold ministries, but is the particular one set in the local church.

two in a row

Two challenges to tradition? How about contrasting with scripture instead of tradition?

Yeah, I am still studing ALL the scriptures you brought out...........

Blume,

now don't ya go and make some sense... you'll make some idiot lurker go and rebel against his pastor..:slaphappy

Amen. Like Revelation chapters 2 through 3 and the ones about tithes and firstfruits.

I used to think firstfruits were tithes, but now see they are not. VERY interesting study!

This verse is plural, is this for one assembly?

Who are the Apostles of today?

Who is reconized as the Prophet?

Firstfruits were for priests in the OT and tithes for the Levites.

All Levites were not priests. Aaron's lineage was only one lineage in the Levites. His lineage was priestly.

Firstfruits are something God can bless us in, but one has to learn about them now.

Tithing is not LAW, but it is a way God can bless us. People make the mistake of going too far both ways -- no tithes or tithes demanded legalistically.

We still give, but it leaves DUTY to come to OPPORTUNITY now.

Could be, depending upon the size.

Those gifted to oversee several churches.

Those with the gift and a multitude of signs and wonders, used in the prophetic word. Unfortunately there are too many non-prophet organizations. :(

[QUOTE=mfblume;63233]Firstfruits were for priests in the OT and tithes for the Levites.

All Levites were not priests. Aaron's lineage was only one lineage in the Levites. His lineage was priestly.

Firstfruits are something God can bless us in, but one has to learn about them now.

Tithing is not LAW, but it is a way God can bless us. People make the mistake of going too far both ways -- no tithes or tithes demanded legalistically.

We still give, but it leaves DUTY to come to OPPORTUNITY now.[/
QUOTE]

Americans love to give, Billions were given to the recent disasters.

It seems that would be helping thy neighbor.

If you gave to them, you gave to God?

:grampa

Sure! But giving to God's work is also involved. ANY sacrifice as unto the Lord is giving. 1 Cor 9 is all about ministry supported by the saints financially. We cannot do one and leave the other neglected. Vice versa, too.

From time to time we have had all five-fold ministries preach to us here. I have had 3 men I believe are Apostles and more than one prophet, gifted teachers, evangelist like Phillip and of course the weakest link the pastor but one dud out of four is not too bad.

It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source a·pos·tle (ə-pŏs'əl) Pronunciation Key
n.

Apostle One of a group made up especially of the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus to preach the gospel.
A missionary of the early Christian Church.
A leader of the first Christian mission to a country or region.
One who pioneers an important reform movement, cause, or belief: an apostle of conservation.
A passionate adherent; a strong supporter.
One of the 12 members of the administrative council in the Mormon Church.

One who pioneers an important reform movement, cause, or belief: an apostle of conservation.
A passionate adherent; a strong supporter.

Many things are said over a UPC pulpit you can't take to the bank. The statement is incorrect if there are no apostles then the rest of the five-fold is over also they are in the same verse. Eph. 4:11 Several years ago Elder Norris and Hicks had a written discussion on this and Hicks creamed his corn.

Coop discussing the fivefold ministry is like Mike Tyson discussing plastic surgery.

Good post, and exactly right.

I do not care what you think Coon.

I make a valid argument and you try to imply I am an idiot.

Lots of respect for you oh man of God... :nah not.

You represent your society well. It's expected of your kind.

Coop, you made no valid points in this hodge podge.

You are just once more looking to justify your refusal to be a part of the Body of Christ.

Mock all you like, Bro.

You won't easily drown out that little voice that troubles you when you look into the eyes of those babies, knowing they need to be in the house of God.

If any one claims they are Apostle so-n-so, them I will steer clear.

Too many nuts out there claiming they are of God ruining lives.

Coop, I'll take my chances on being "my kind."

I refuse to a part of anything that is like you Coon. For the most part that is what UPC is and many other Oneness groups.

I will never join a group that condones your behavior toward others.

In fact this rude arrogant behavior is celebrated in the UPC.

This from the guy who mocks and scoffs continually...

You just don't like it when someone tells you the truth.

I have reached out to you in kindness numerous times, Coop.

You in turn, scoff and mock over and over.

My words aren't so much rude as they are just plain and straightforward.

Be a man, Coop, and stop whining. Communicate without all the crying and pooching out your lip and wailing about someone being rude.

What ever Coon.

Many Pastors and Speakers like your self are of the mind set that all saints are Aint's if they don't line up to your opinions.

Ya know that saying...

If you ain't got nothin' nice to say, don't say nothin' at all?

I think that would apply nicely here Bro. CS. :nod

The Personal attacks and belittling need to stop.

Opinions?

I haven't said a word about standards or even anything remotely controversial.

You are getting wigged because somebody thinks you need to take your kids to church.

So you get out the old broad brush.:)

Very transparent, Coop.

You have not reached out Coon, you have not been kind.

In-fact chatting with you these past years only confirms that I do not need to apart of UPC nor have one of there Pastors in our families life.

It's so typical for 17 years I have heard preachers accuse saints of whining, crying, complaining acting like babes that a Pastor needs to constantly feed and change diapers.

Lazy good for nothing pew warmers. That 10 percent in a church do the most work while the other 90 percent come and enjoy their labors.

I have heard more complaining and griping from preachers and Pastors about saints than I have ever heard saints do.

Good grief Coon, come on now and smell the coffee!

Coop, I seriously have prayed for you and will again that you recover yourself.

Your kids deserve better.

This is going to be the last post I make to you for a while, maybe ever.

I was apart of one of the largest UPC districts where Billy Cole and Jack Cunningham was a house hold name. They often preached at my church.

My old Pastor was the Superintendant and often had to be a peace maker between childish acting preachers.

I have heard Jack Cunningham run down an Ex-UPC preacher over the pulpit at a district conference and scream as he called him "MORE worthless than a pile of Dung"!!!

Don't tell me I am broad brushing, the barn that houses this kind of mess is too big for a broad brush.

I am sure you are shaking the dust off your feet too.:nah

And that's the way it is, April the third 2007.

This is Cooper signing off.

Good night.

How long does this HAVE to go on...why not consolidate all of the threads that are started with "questions" into one big blog titled, "I hate the UPC"?? Then, you can complain all you want without everyone taking these threads seriously and answering them only to hear more ranting and raving?

COOP, what is it going to take to find peace in your life??

You mean just to visit and preach. Does the four or five fold ministry need to be members in one body or does it matter?

I doubt if any church has the five-fold ministry resident there but they may ??
I just don't know any?

Are they supposed to? I can't tell by the scripture. At first it appears that they should.

I think it was available to the churches as it is today.

Correct. But nowhere does scripture concerning the churches listed in the NT ever indicate they actually had 5 specific individuals in place in each church. The reference is to the "church-at-large" and not specific congregations.

I just wonder if each body is supposed to be made up of all of them. Do the offices - Deacon, etc. fill those positions or are they separate?

I've always been taught that the preacher is all of those offices at different times. Not sure everyone has believed that, but some I've known have.