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D. Wright 12-12-2008 11:42 AM

Apostolic or Not?
 
Understanding the rules between these forums better now.

If it is YOUR opinion that someone is teaching false doctrine then you can talk about them and it is not preacher bashing.

It has always been my understanding that K Phillips is Apostolic, however it seems maybe he is not.

RevDWW 12-12-2008 11:44 AM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655718)
Understanding the rules between these forums better now.

If it is YOUR opinion that someone is teaching false doctrine then you can talk about them and it is not preacher bashing.

It has always been my understanding that K Phillips is Apostolic, however it seems maybe he is not.

Are you wanting to throw down on K Phillips if he's not Apostolic?

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 11:45 AM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
what does this sound like???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNQQhSqd_Y

D. Wright 12-12-2008 11:46 AM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Not at all.

I have much respect for him.

However, I do not understand how other Apostolic's can throw him down.

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 11:46 AM

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at about 28 seconds he says "you're saved when you do all three" (repentance, baptism in Jesus name, infilling of the HG)

sounds Apostolic to me.

Esther 12-12-2008 11:47 AM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655718)
Understanding the rules between these forums better now.

If it is YOUR opinion that someone is teaching false doctrine then you can talk about them and it is not preacher bashing.

It has always been my understanding that K Phillips is Apostolic, however it seems maybe he is not.

Bro Dwight, have you ever heard the saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? I think being apostolic seems to fall in that catergory. Everyone seems to judge according to "their" ruler.

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 11:48 AM

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NO ONE can deny that he still preaches Acts 2:38 as the "plan of salvation"
He is a 3-stepper, by his own admission. He's never changed that about him.
Claims to have baptized over 18,000 people in Jesus name (woner if anyone else can make that claim...or even get close to that number)

but alas, he let go of some outward standards...that's where the "labels" start being applied or taken off of KP.

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 11:50 AM

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The Apostolic movement was not based on "holiness standards" or "the mighty God in Christ" (the revelation of the mighty God in Christ came later)

we became a movement when we embraced and preached Jesus name baptism...
the schisms came later....

HappyTown 12-12-2008 11:53 AM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor (Post 655726)
at about 28 seconds he says "you're saved when you do all three" (repentance, baptism in Jesus name, infilling of the HG)

sounds Apostolic to me.

Yeah, but he not teaching the real deal....You know, what about the outward dress and magic hair. Now ever true blue Apostolic knows that's the only way into the pearly gates, the rest (repentance, baptism in Jesus name, infilling of the HG) is just say so!





















:gotcha

El Predicador 12-12-2008 11:55 AM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655718)
Understanding the rules between these forums better now.

If it is YOUR opinion that someone is teaching false doctrine then you can talk about them and it is not preacher bashing.

It has always been my understanding that K Phillips is Apostolic, however it seems maybe he is not.

Dear Brother,

The best definition of Apostolic would be as the Apostle's taught.

That includes not only Peter's response on the day of Pentecost, but Paul's teaching on holiness and right living as well.

The Bible is not multiple choice, pick what I like and exclude the rest if I don't feel it relevant to my "culture".

RevDWW 12-12-2008 12:15 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655739)
Dear Brother,

The best definition of Apostolic would be as the Apostle's taught.

That includes not only Peter's response on the day of Pentecost, but Paul's teaching on holiness and right living as well.

The Bible is not multiple choice, pick what I like and exclude the rest if I don't feel it relevant to my "culture".

So we don't pick uncut hair on women but not them keepoing silent in the church?

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 12:30 PM

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those red letters remind me of someone....
except his red letters are bolded and always centered.

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 01:13 PM

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IMO Phillips could come right back into the UPC and not have to change much at all...

Rhoni 12-12-2008 01:15 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655725)
Not at all.

I have much respect for him.

However, I do not understand how other Apostolic's can throw him down.

Apostolics always throw each other down when they disagree - didn't you know that? :christmoose

D. Wright 12-12-2008 01:37 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655739)
Dear Brother,

The best definition of Apostolic would be as the Apostle's taught.

That includes not only Peter's response on the day of Pentecost, but Paul's teaching on holiness and right living as well.

The Bible is not multiple choice, pick what I like and exclude the rest if I don't feel it relevant to my "culture".

Brother,

It concerns me when ministers talk bad about others ministers.

It is as though they are exempt.

Just this week brothers have voiced their concern over this issue, yet they are the very ones discrediting ministers.

D. Wright 12-12-2008 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 655791)
Apostolics always throw each other down when they disagree - didn't you know that? :christmoose

Sis,

I am learning that. God would not be pleased.

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 01:58 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655815)
Brother,

It concerns me when ministers talk bad about others ministers.

It is as though they are exempt.

Just this week brothers have voiced their concern over this issue, yet they are the very ones discrediting ministers.


i wish ministers wouldn't do this to one of their own.

sad.

Charnock 12-12-2008 02:04 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Where did this label "Apostolic" come from?

Michael Phelps 12-12-2008 02:14 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655739)
Dear Brother,

The best definition of Apostolic would be as the Apostle's taught.

That includes not only Peter's response on the day of Pentecost, but Paul's teaching on holiness and right living as well.

The Bible is not multiple choice, pick what I like and exclude the rest if I don't feel it relevant to my "culture".

SURE it is, Brother!

That's why many people use Peter's teaching about modest apparel to ONLY preach against ear rings and anything other than a wedding ring, but totally ignore the modest apparel and braided hair part! Oh, yeah, and it's ok for a woman to pin a broach to her dress, but not her ears.

That's why many folks use Deuteronomy 22 to preach against a woman wearing pants, but have no issue when she puts her husband's suit coat on in church when it's a bit chilly!

rgcraig 12-12-2008 02:22 PM

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There does seem to be a double standard at times - - I have noticed that even here.

Steve Epley 12-12-2008 02:26 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor (Post 655732)
The Apostolic movement was not based on "holiness standards" or "the mighty God in Christ" (the revelation of the mighty God in Christ came later)

we became a movement when we embraced and preached Jesus name baptism...
the schisms came later....

You are confused.

mizpeh 12-12-2008 02:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655739)
Dear Brother,

The best definition of Apostolic would be as the Apostle's taught.

That includes not only Peter's response on the day of Pentecost, but Paul's teaching on holiness and right living as well.

The Bible is not multiple choice, pick what I like and exclude the rest if I don't feel it relevant to my "culture".

You're correct.

People are reading more into what you wrote than what you actually said. I'm sure KP would agree with all of your statements above. I know I do. :santaclaus

D. Wright 12-12-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 655884)
You're correct.

People are reading more into what you are wrote than what you actually said. I'm sure KP would agree with all of your statements above. I know I do. :santaclaus

Is it alright for Apostolic ministers to discredit him? Ministers are saying he teaches false doctrine and is leading his church astray.

The video clip sounds like he is still preaching "the truth" as they see it. His wife still holds to those traditions as she always has.

sbo1971 12-12-2008 02:40 PM

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Is this the same church that J.Suber went to?

ChicagoPastor 12-12-2008 02:55 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 655877)
You are confused.

Bro. Epley,
What set us apart to start with from the trinitarian world?

baptism........

then came the full revelation of who HE is....


(I did not mean to call this a schism, my apologies, wrong word used)

mizpeh 12-12-2008 03:06 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655892)
Is it alright for Apostolic ministers to discredit him? Ministers are saying he teaches false doctrine and is leading his church astray.

The video clip sounds like he is still preaching "the truth" as they see it. His wife still holds to those traditions as she always has.

It's wrong to speak evil of any man.

But the apostles had some harsh things to say about false teachers. I don't know enough about him to say one way or another.

El Predicador 12-12-2008 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor (Post 655760)
those red letters remind me of someone....
except his red letters are bolded and always centered.

More to you're liking?

Elder?

El Predicador 12-12-2008 03:16 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 655884)
You're correct.

People are reading more into what you wrote than what you actually said. I'm sure KP would agree with all of your statements above. I know I do. :santaclaus

Bless you Sister, but no doubt RRFord will be disappointed that there is one less person to whom he can pitch his customized Hooked on Phonics course.


:christmasjig

El Predicador 12-12-2008 03:18 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655892)
Is it alright for Apostolic ministers to discredit him? Ministers are saying he teaches false doctrine and is leading his church astray.

The video clip sounds like he is still preaching "the truth" as they see it. His wife still holds to those traditions as she always has.

IF a man teaches false doctrine and leads his church astray does not the ministry have an obligation to sound the alarm??

D. Wright 12-12-2008 03:20 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
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Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655941)
IF a man teaches false doctrine and leads his church astray does not the ministry have an obligation to sound the alarm??

Who gets to make the call whether it is false doctrine or not?

El Predicador 12-12-2008 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655945)
Who gets to make the call whether it is false doctrine or not?

The Same One who gave the wisdom and authority to the leadership of the Church 2,000 years ago still does it today dear Brother.



How did they know back then?


The Spirit and the Word.

D. Wright 12-12-2008 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655953)
The Same One who gave the wisdom and authority to the leadership of the Church 2,000 years ago still does it today dear Brother.



How did they know back then?


The Spirit and the Word.

Amen!

Not tradition.

2020Vision 12-12-2008 03:49 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 655734)
Yeah, but he not teaching the real deal....You know, what about the outward dress and magic hair. Now ever true blue Apostolic knows that's the only way into the pearly gates, the rest (repentance, baptism in Jesus name, infilling of the HG) is just say so!



Sarcasm is still a put down. Not to pick on this post, but there's always something like this in every single thread. A wise guy poster, that throws little jabs in to demean another brother. Then when the barbs get thrown back, we are appalled.

Okay, not in the fighting mood today. In the loving mood. I know, this should be our permanent mood. You have to admit though, sometimes on hear people make you want to put the gloves on. In an intellectual way of course! :christmoose

El Predicador 12-12-2008 03:54 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Dwight (Post 655960)
Amen!

Not tradition.

The Bible opposes following the traditions of MEN.

However the Church having traditions is not wrong per se, Brother.

If the world is used to seeing a certain look as being 'holy' or 'Christian' why should that be opposed?

What is wrong with Christians looking Christ-like, modest and moderate?

Timmy 12-12-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 655979)
The Bible opposes following the traditions of MEN.

However the Church having traditions is not wrong per se, Brother.

If the world is used to seeing a certain look as being 'holy' or 'Christian' why should that be opposed?

What is wrong with Christians looking Christ-like, modest and moderate?

Robe and sandals? Beard? Blue sash?

El Predicador 12-12-2008 04:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655850)
SURE it is, Brother!

That's why many people use Peter's teaching about modest apparel to ONLY preach against ear rings and anything other than a wedding ring, but totally ignore the modest apparel and braided hair part! Oh, yeah, and it's ok for a woman to pin a broach to her dress, but not her ears.

That's why many folks use Deuteronomy 22 to preach against a woman wearing pants, but have no issue when she puts her husband's suit coat on in church when it's a bit chilly!

And we have self-professed Christians killing abortion doctors.

AND "preachers" obsessed over everything from Christmas trees to Easter eggs.

And "preachers" preaching against homosexuality while committing adultery.

Couldn't we play this game all night?

It does not change the Word, or sound doctrine.

El Predicador 12-12-2008 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 655986)
Robe and sandals? Beard? Blue sash?

Would you be describing the men or the women Bro Timmy?

HappyTown 12-12-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by El Predicador (Post 656001)
Would you be describing the men or the women Bro Timmy?

Don't be to hard on Timmy, after all he just a child!














:snowing

HappyTown 12-12-2008 04:13 PM

Re: Apostolic or Not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2020Vision (Post 655974)
Sarcasm is still a put down. Not to pick on this post, but there's always something like this in every single thread. A wise guy poster, that throws little jabs in to demean another brother. Then when the barbs get thrown back, we are appalled.

Okay, not in the fighting mood today. In the loving mood. I know, this should be our permanent mood. You have to admit though, sometimes on hear people make you want to put the gloves on. In an intellectual way of course! :christmoose

Sorry, sometimes I still get caught up in the old ways I was taught......:hook

2020Vision 12-12-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 656011)
Sorry, sometimes I still get caught up in the old ways I was taught......:hook

Haha. Forgiven. And forgiven easily because I am guilty often as well. Just an observation. I can count at least one "Ultra Con", "OP" jab in every post. Seems to possess some people.


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