UPC Church host Jason Crabb
 

A UPCI church in Texas host Charismatic singer Jason Crabb.

List the event as: You will not want to miss this powerful evening of worship.

See more at the web site: http://www.jeffhennigan.com/:christmasfire

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So what, Jason is a very good singer.

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You can't have a powerful evening of worship unless the singer is OP? I went to a Michael W. Smith/Third Day concert several years ago and I was deeply moved by the worship and the Presence of the Lord I felt there.

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MWS is one of the best, and I believe it is true worship. My daughter was involved in a bus crash (four kids and the driver were killed) on route to camp a few years back. A week or so later she and her youth group were invited to the front row of a MWS concert, he also met them backstage at intermission. My daughter had some lingering injuries at the time, he came and prayed with her. He was very, very compassionate, I sensed deep love for the Lord. I am not much into big personalities, but I was very impressed by Michael's humility.

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Jason Crabb is friends and has close contacts with many people in the UPC.

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Good for that church :santathumb

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The link doesn't work for me.

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n/m...I found it! *currently sidetracked by the family pics* :coffee2

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Forget about Jason Crabb...whaddya think about encouraging members to have communion at home with their families, and encouraging baptismal candidates to read short confessions before being baptized? :coffee2

Does having communion at home make it too "common", or is it just a special time of devotion in the home?

Is making public confession something that should be encouraged? Would some people feel pressured to confess sins they need only confess to God?

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He's never been baptized in Jesus Name yet he's ministering????

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is he preaching or singing?

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I went to their web-site. I looked at their statment of faith, "What We Believe." The statement is truly amazing. Surely they had to think long and hard to devise such a statment. One thing for sure...no one will get upset about it. The statement is quite a WONDER.

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Thanks for the criticism of our statement of faith. Fortunately, we aren't trying to convince other church-goers that we are worthy of their approval. Yes, our statement of faith is simple, because quite frankly, we aren't evangelizing to you. I can assure you that the plan of salvation is strongly preached at our church, but to those who don't know God - we didn't feel the need to get into a 3-step vs 1-step analysis on the website.

Why would we not be trying to upset anyone? Who don't we want to upset? You?

I realize I'm a little touchy about this, but I went round and round with someone else about this months ago, and I'm probably still irritated... :yo

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I do apologize for irritating you...if that is in fact what I did.

I understand that wisdom is justified of her children and my remarks were not intended to be critical in the least. I would never critisize anyone reaching for their world, who are doing their best as God gives the light to do it and is effective in what they do. "They that are wise shall win souls..."

It is just that I am an old timer who never learned to mince words or how to be politically correct or acceptable. I still use language that others find offensive. I am too old to change and have no interest in trying to change this late in my life.

I've been in churches that use laser lights, CO2 fog and disco balls to win young folks. If it works, that's fine. It's just that I am not up to snuff with this modern way of thinking nor do I care to catch up.

So again, I did not mean to critisize or to irritate you.

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Modernism is fine, as long as one doesn't lose the power in the midst of the production. :coffee2

Frankly, there is a lot of work required to pull off certain performances, and it doesn't leave a lot of time for true spirituality (on a personal level). Hopefully those who attend such progressive churches and are part of the music/drama departments still make it a top priority.

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My personal opinion is that a church should state exactly what it believes in its statement of faith, nothing hidden, nothing diluted. If there is something in the church mantra that the church and/or its leadership is either afraid or embarrassed to admit it believes, then that belief needs to be re-evaluated. JMO

Why have the belief if it isn't worth sharing?

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I appreciate what you're saying, but nothing is hidden or diluted by stating the simple truth. To someone who doesn't know God, we want them to meet God. Period. How to grow as a Christian is to be taught at the church, not in a blurb. JMO.

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No problem. As I said, I'm probably overly sensitive.

But your quote above doesn't necessarily sound like an open invitation to know God. I am not questioning your approach, as I don't have all the answers. But, I resent the idea that a simple approach is cowardly. We really want people to find our church inviting - why then would I want to use language that they find offensive? Now, if we did not preach the truth, that'd be a different story altogether. We had some greats come through our doors in recent weeks including T.F. Tenney and Anthony Mangun (granted, he's family...), and we had some great moves of God in our services.

It's not about being politically correct or acceptable. Again... to who? Who are we trying to impress or please (other than maybe those on this forum...)? If someone comes to our site, and doesn't like what we have to say, they can move on. No embarrassment to us. I get tired of the argument that unless you are blunt and offensive in your approach, you must be hiding something. Being a poor communicator isn't always a badge of honor.

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Would you care to comment on the New Emerging Church and where your Pastor and church stand on that issue? Just curious.

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The gospel sometimes offends, as does the truth. But we should all be trying to please God, not men.

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Here you are coming across as very sensitive and extremely defensive. It makes me wonder about the whole thing. Let's just pretend that I didn't say anything or have an opinion either, OK? Now, go take a pill and get a good night sleep. Everything will be ok.

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I didn't say that you have to be blunt or offensive, or you must be hiding something. :) I believe the truth should be spoken in love. It should still be spoken.

If a church believes something is essential, such as baptism, why not say so? I don't see how that's offensive or blunt. :coffee2

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Jason often preaches or speaks and gives alter calls at the end of his singing - I was just wondering how that would all work out since he has never been baptized in Jesus' name????

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I imagine he still knows what an altar call is.:christmoose

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I agree with you 100% - just don't think it all needs to be in a blurb. I believe lots of things are essential. I think teaching "why" it is essential in the context of the rest of the Bible is a better medium than the website.

:santathumb

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Again, I apologize for being defensive. It's one of my flaws.

Not sure why it makes you "wonder about the whole thing", but ok ;)

I thought we were having a conversation. No need to shutdown and be dismissive when it gets a little heated. :christmaskiss

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I'm vaguely familiar with the Emerging Church, but it is not something I have discussed with our pastor. I understand it is a movement - and don't know of it in the context of an "issue", so I probably shouldn't comment until I know more about it. :)

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IDK - - -I feel a weird vibe from some of Hennigans comments. He titles a thread "Colossal Spiritual Climate Shift @ ALC!" Sounds more like what he wants then what is. The communion thing at home is strange.

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I would never have guessed this was a UPC church, just from the website posted. But maybe that's what they're going for. Who knows? That seems to be the trend with most websites I've seen lately. Anyway, it looks like an awesome church.

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It IS an awesome church!!

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I sang at this church a few months ago, had a great time!

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yes.. you can still minister and not be baptized in Jesus Name... I discussed this with him tuesday night when I was with him at TBN. We had a good laugh, here is a pic of us and trent cory.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...onandtrent.jpg

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I guess I don't understand this.

You discussed "this" with him (Jason Crabb) and you all had a good laugh.

What made you all laugh, the fact that you think you can minister to people and not be baptized in Jesus Name, or that people think you cannot minister unless you are baptized in Jesus?

I'm sorry I just did not understand, please forgive my slowness. :)

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And on another dangerous track:

The UPC minister's magazine "Forward" quotes trinitarian Andy Stanley from his book "Visioneering".

Slouching toward Gommorrah...................................

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yes ..we had a good laugh... many of us read books by preachers, hear awesome words from people who had not received the revelation of JESUS name baptism. That doesn't mean they can't minister.
Jason Crabb has an awesome touch of God on his life.

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:)

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Well that does it. I'm calling World Evangelism Center in st Louis to report this.

Does anyone have Bro Haney's extention?

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lol... bro. haney reads books and has been ministered by many preachers who have not been baptised in JESUS name.. I'm pretty sure.:)

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Russ Taff, Vicki Yohe, and now Jason Crabb.............oh my!

Why not Timothy Spell, the McGruders, or Greg McCool! :tiphat

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I just got off the phone with Bro Haney- he's very hurt by your comments Sandra. A letter of warning is going out to all UPCI ministers after Christmas